Nobody who complains about NFL players taking a knee during the anthem stands up for it at home

[Greymane]

This is a thread.
On a topic relating US sports.
Relative to US perceptions of racism.

Why would we be talking about racism elsewhere, and even then, I straight up said racism is bad period. That's all there is to it. I don't need to condemn things specifically, I said the whole thing is bad. If you're wanting me to condemn things specifically, suck my ass. I don't follow the standards of some fucking loser who watches cartoon horses.

In short anything outside of that shouldnt be talked about according to you, no matter if they might further the discussion.
And i didnt ask you to condem anything i simply asked you about racism outside the usa.

You could have simply pointed to your post and sayed that you find racism in general to be bad no matter where and how it happens.
But then again actealy making a point intead of screaming "horse fucker" seems to be a to low standerd for you.

 

[Hanafuda]

No, but you're claiming something demonstrably false. He said Mexicans, therefore he was referring to Mexicans. He's since made other racist statements toward Mexicans and Arabs which were later used against him in the DREAMER and Muslim ban court decisions.

Did he? I just went to youtube because I never heard the actual statement. The person asking the question is talking about illegal immigrants who are in jail and her frustration that ICE isn't allowed access, and ends by specifically mentioning MS-13. Then Trump responds. I don't hear the words "Mexicans," or "Mexico."

 

[Navonod]

No, but you're claiming something demonstrably false. He said Mexicans, therefore he was referring to Mexicans. He's made other racist statements toward Mexicans and Arabs which were later used against him in the DREAMER and Muslim ban court decisions.

Muslim terrorists were coming to the US and suicide bombing us in the name of their god. Yeah not all of them but you need to weed out the terrorist out before you start letting more people back in. I've already said what I have to say about MS13 so I'm not gonna go in circles with you about it anymore.
And yes other gangs are a problem to but we can deal with them once we fix the illegal immigrant problem. Which should have been taken care of a long time ago.

 

[Xzi]

I was referring to his comments at the opening of his campaign. Here's a long list of Trump's insults toward Mexico/Mexicans, but the video shows the one I'm talking about early on:

http://time.com/4473972/donald-trump-mexico-meeting-insult/

 

[Navonod]

I was referring to his comments at the opening of his campaign. Here's a long list of Trump's insults toward Mexico/Mexicans, but the video shows the one I'm talking about early on:

http://time.com/4473972/donald-trump-mexico-meeting-insult/

I like how you ignore the part where he said "And I assume some are good people." Clearly you can tell he wasn't referring to ALL Mexicans.

 

[The Catboy]

Muslim terrorists were coming to the US and suicide bombing us in the name of their god. Yeah not all of them but you need to weed out the terrorist out before you start letting more people back in. I've already said what I have to say about MS13 so I'm not gonna go in circles with you about it anymore.
And yes other gangs are a problem to but we can deal with them once we fix the illegal immigrant problem. Which should have been taken care of a long time ago.

First and foremost, when was the last suicide bomber in the US? Because looking it up brings 6, 6 cases in the US and none of them happening around that time. Actually how many terrorist attacks have actually happened as a cause of refugees in the US? As well he said nothing about MS13, this is what he said
“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”
There's nothing about MS13 in this statement. It's literally a blanket statement saying that Mexico is sending us rapists and drug dealers.

I like how you ignore the part where he said "And I assume some are good people." Clearly you can tell he wasn't referring to ALL Mexicans.

Of course ignoring the last bit of "I assume," basically just showing that he still doesn't even fully believe there are good people in there. Trump wasn't talking about MS13, he was making a racist statement.

 

[Xzi]

I like how you ignore the part where he said "And I assume some are good people." Clearly you can tell he wasn't referring to ALL Mexicans.

Oh, I'm not ignoring it, but it's practically an insult on top of an insult. Yet he says it like it was supposed to make the statements before all better.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

I like how you ignore the part where he said "And I assume some are good people." Clearly you can tell he wasn't referring to ALL Mexicans.

The use of "some" implies the "good" ones are a minority

 

[Navonod]

First and foremost, when was the last suicide bomber in the US? Because looking it up brings 6, 6 cases in the US and none of them happening around that time. Actually how many terrorist attacks have actually happened as a cause of refugees in the US? As well he said nothing about MS13, this is what he said
“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”
There's nothing about MS13 in this statement. It's literally a blanket statement saying that Mexico is sending us rapists and drug dealers.

Of course ignoring the last bit of "I assume," basically just showing that he still doesn't even fully believe there are good people in there. Trump wasn't talking about MS13, he was making a racist statement.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_States#2010–present

Oh, I'm not ignoring it, but it's practically an insult on top of an insult. Yet he says it like it was supposed to make the statements before all better.

The use of "some" implies the "good" ones are a minority

You guys are really just stretching the truth because you don't like Trump. It's okay like I said dislike him all you want but don't make up
BS and spread it like it's the undeniable truth. Once you guys get out of your current mind set, I believe you might turn out to be happier people
instead of being angry at fairy tales.

 

[The Catboy]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_States#2010–present
You guys are really just stretching the truth because you don't like Trump. It's okay like I said dislike him all you want but don't make up
BS and spread it like it's the undeniable truth. Once you guys get out of your current mind set, I believe you might turn out to be happier people
instead of being angry at fairy tales.

And just how many of those were actually caused by foreigners? Because I am seeing a lot of American names on that list, oh wait
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outline_of_terrorism_in_the_United_States#Foreign_terrorist_attacks
According to that list, the last terrorist attack from someone outside of the US was in 2002.
Trump's comments were nothing more than racists and anti-immigrants comments made to to spread racism. The deeper meaning to his comments is racism and to spread fear about immigrants, it was never about MS13.

 

[Navonod]

And just how many of those were actually caused by foreigners? Because I am seeing a lot of American names on that list, oh wait
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outline_of_terrorism_in_the_United_States#Foreign_terrorist_attacks
According to that list, the last terrorist attack from someone outside of the US was in 2002.
Trump's comments were nothing more than racists and anti-immigrants comments made to to spread racism. The deeper meaning to his comments is racism and to spread fear about immigrants, it was never about MS13.

Clearly you missed the other Muslim terrorist in that list. Or you have a bad case of selective reading.

 

[Viri]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outline_of_terrorism_in_the_United_States#Foreign_terrorist_attacks

Spoiler

Methods used in terrorism[edit]
The following is a list of techniques that have been utilized by politically violent individuals in terrorist attacks.

• agro-terrorism
• arson
• assassination
• bioterrorism
• bombing
• car bombing
• chemical terrorism
• cyberterrorism
• dirty bomb
• dry run
• environmental terrorism
• firebombing
• food poisoning
• genocide
• hijacking
• hostage
• individual terror
• insurgency
• kidnapping
• letter bomb
• paper terrorism
• piracy
• proxy bomb
• shooting
• stabbing
• suicide bombing
• vehicle-ramming attack

One of these things are not like the other!

 

[The Catboy]

Clearly you missed the other Muslim terrorist in that list. Or you have a bad case of selective reading.

Muslim doesn't mean foreign, I was looking for foreigners who committed terrorist attacks. I asked about how many refuges actually committed terrorists attacks. I saw a lot of American and even Muslim American names on that list, but I didn't see a lot of obvious foreign names. I then provided a list of foreign terrorist attacks that happened, which answered my own question. There hasn't been a terrorist attack from a foreigner since 2002, this in reply to this comment

Muslim terrorists were coming to the US and suicide bombing us in the name of their god.

There aren't Muslim terrorists coming here to committing suicide bombings and there hasn't been a terrorist attack from a foreigner since 2002. You are talking about this issue like it's a daily thing, when it hasn't happened for 16 years now.

 

[Xzi]

You guys are really just stretching the truth because you don't like Trump. It's okay like I said dislike him all you want but don't make up
BS and spread it like it's the undeniable truth. Once you guys get out of your current mind set, I believe you might turn out to be happier people
instead of being angry at fairy tales.

You're just grasping at straws at this point. Republicans have been using the Southern Strategy to get votes for decades, Trump is simply the inevitable bullhorn where others used a dogwhistle.

 

[lordkaos]

Muslim terrorists were coming to the US and suicide bombing us in the name of their god. Yeah not all of them but you need to weed out the terrorist out before you start letting more people back in. I've already said what I have to say about MS13 so I'm not gonna go in circles with you about it anymore.
And yes other gangs are a problem to but we can deal with them once we fix the illegal immigrant problem. Which should have been taken care of a long time ago.

the travel ban was supposed to be an executive order that would expire 90 days after its implementation in order to give the government "time to figure things out", yet what happened after those 90 days?, did they figure things out?, No, cause he only wanted to keep his campaign promise of banning all muslims, only he needed to make the scope smaller so it would be constitutional which he failed to do so another 2 times.

 

[Navonod]

You're just grasping at straws at this point. Republicans have been using the Southern Strategy to get votes for decades, Trump is simply the inevitable bullhorn where others used a dogwhistle.

Lol. No I don't need to grasp at straws or twist words to fit a narrative. You do though so I mean the pot is calling the kettle black here.

 

[Xzi]

Lol. No I don't need to grasp at straws or twist words to fit a narrative. You do though so I mean the pot is calling the kettle black here.

So we've gone from you twisting Trump quotes to claiming that I'm the one twisting Trump quotes. K.

 

[Navonod]

So we've gone from you twisting Trump quotes to claiming that I'm the one twisting Trump quotes. K.

No. Lol. You twisted it first. I corrected you. It's adorable that you thought that though.

 

[Xzi]

No. Lol. You twisted it first. I corrected you. It's adorable that you thought that though.

Fuck man, I posted the video. He never said MS13 in there. You're full of shit and flailing at this point.

 

[Navonod]

Fuck man, I posted the video. He never said MS13 in there. You're full of shit and flailing at this point.

But it's what he meant. Just admit it.