Nobody who complains about NFL players taking a knee during the anthem stands up for it at home

[TotalInsanity4]

So then what to do?.
Lowering the amount of one parent households(this one should happen natural when conditions improve).
funding schools on all the levels up to university butn ot inlcuding it.
Acteal help for drug addicts, and the teaching of usable job skills to unemployed/low educated.

Note that doing this on a scale of even a state will cost alot of money, and might not show result for years if at all depending on how it is done.

I mean

A Universal Basic Income would be ideal, but the US seems to hate being decent to its citizens for some reason

 

[Xzi]

So suck it up buttercup youre feelings don't matter.

Precisely what should be said to anybody who is triggered by the innocuous act of a kneel.

 

[Greymane]

Forcing patriotism is fascism and it's a violation of their Constitutional right to protest and as I just started, they are still doing their job. Their job is to play football, which is what they do after they've finished their protest. The protest in no matter effects the outcome of the game, it in no matter effects how they preform, and it done outside of their actual job. People are acting like they are doing it in the middle of the game, which they aren't. They have a right to protest and stripping them of that right is unconstitutional.

They have the right to protest, but the owners of the team also have the right to dissasociate with them over it.
If not you are saying one(the players) hold more rights to dis/asociation, then the team owners.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

Only the left would think it would be OK to go to work and get paid to protest on the clock. lol
WOW! I wonder why this shithole of a planet is going to hell, You have people who believes things like this.

In the real world and not your make believe fantasy land where 1 is 2 and 2+2=8, you will find out as youmature and become a part in this society we are all stuck in. So suck it up buttercup youre feelings don't matter.

Have you never heard of a union before

 

[Cylent1]

Their job is not to protest but to play football!

 

[Xzi]

Their job is not to protest but to play football!

Firstly, they aren't protesting during the game, the pre-game is all pageantry and a waste of time. Secondly, even during a game of football there are moments when it's strategically advantageous to kneel the ball.

 

[Cylent1]

Have you never heard of a union before

I have, and myself and my wife were both in the union when I was in my early 20's when everyone thought it was cool.
My wife was not allowed maternity leave twice. Thats really cool!

 

[Greymane]

I mean

A Universal Basic Income would be ideal, but the US seems to hate being decent to its citizens for some reason

That would be nice, but not realy doable unless there is a way for the goverment to get resources/money with minimal human investment(salary).
Since it would take alot of money.

 

[The Catboy]

Only the left would think it would be OK to go to work and get paid to protest on the clock. lol
WOW! I wonder why this shithole of a planet is going to hell, You have people who believes things like this.

In the real world and not your make believe fantasy land where 1 is 2 and 2+2=8, you will find out as youmature and become a part in this society we are all stuck in. So suck it up buttercup youre feelings don't matter.

They have the right to protest, but the owners of the team also have the right to dissasociate with them over it.
If not you are saying one(the players) hold more rights to dis/asociation, then the team owners.

Actually the founding fathers believed you had the right to protest
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."
Their rights to speech and gather are protected under the First Amendment and your "on the clock" or "team owner" argument is superseded by their Conditional rights. Violating their rights is a violation of their human rights. They are still doing their job, but they are perfectly within their right to protest regardless of what the fans, team owners, or politicians want to say.

 

[Cylent1]

Firstly, they aren't protesting during the game, the pre-game is all pageantry and a waste of time. Secondly, even during a game of football there are moments when it's strategically advantageous to kneel the ball.

If you are on the clock, which they are, do your job!
If it were my team, every kneeler would be gone! Just look at Kaepernick and the rest of his gang!

 

[Navonod]

How about clicking the PDF I posted, which has statistics for 2016? Or do I have to remind you again that the War in Drugs continues, and is not just a relic of the 70s, though it absolutely should be.

I get the feeling your next argument is "Obama was elected president, so racism is over." Unfortunately that argument completely went out the window when we elected Trump, who opened his campaign on the line, "Mexicans are rapists and drug mules." We've come full circle to the next Nixon.

Yeah war on drugs doesn't mean war on only one or two races. White people sell drugs to. Trump was talking about illegal Mexicans coming across the boarder being a part of MS13. And yes MS13 are rapists and drug mules among other things.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

I have, and myself and my wife were both in the union when I was in my early 20's when everyone thought it was cool.
My wife was not allowed maternity leave twice. Thats really cool!

... I'm trying to figure out if you're arguing against the effectiveness of unions or if you're saying that your union failed you and because of that you hate everything

That would be nice, but not realy doable unless there is a way for the goverment to get resources/money with minimal human investment(salary).
Since it would take alot of money.

Honestly? Eliminating tax breaks for the wealthy and reducing military spending would go a long way to close that gap

 

[Greymane]

Actually the founding fathers believed you had the right to protest
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."
Their rights to speech and gather are protected under the First Amendment and your "on the clock" or "team owner" argument is superseded by their Conditional rights. Violating their rights is a violation of their human rights. They are still doing their job, but they are perfectly within their right to protest regardless of what the fans, team owners, or politicians want to say.

And like i said they have the right to dissacosiation(protest) and so do the owners.
The only thing that part says is that the goverment is not allowed to impede ones rights to it.
And from what i can remember the team owners are not goverment, and thus have the rights as well.

 

[Cylent1]

And all this is arguable obviously just like the Constitution. Right?

 

[TotalInsanity4]

Yeah war on drugs doesn't mean war on only one or two races. White people sell drugs to. Trump was talking about illegal Mexicans coming across the boarder being a part of MS13. And yes MS13 are rapists and drug mules.

On paper, yes. But if you actually look at the charts @Xzi linked you'd see that minorities are disproportionately targeted in spite of that. It's up to the police officers to enforce the laws as they see fit

Which is literally the issue that the topic is in reference to

 

[Greymane]

... I'm trying to figure out if you're arguing against the effectiveness of unions or if you're saying that your union failed you and because of that you hate everything


Honestly? Eliminating tax breaks for the wealthy and reducing military spending would go a long way to close that gap

If the wealthy then stay in the usa, and if the money from the military isnt used for something else, like healthcare.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

And like i said they have the right to dissacosiation(protest) and so do the owners.
The only thing that part says is that the goverment is not allowed to impede ones rights to it.
And from what i can remember the team owners are not goverment, and thus have the rights as well.

Absolutely not true, it is illegal for companies to penalize someone from unionizing or protesting in a way that doesn't take away from doing their work. This is actually an issue Elon Musk is under fire for currently

 

[Xzi]

Yeah war on drugs doesn't mean war on only one or two races. White people sell drugs to. Trump was talking about illegal Mexicans coming across the boarder being a part of MS13. And yes MS13 are rapists and drug mules among other things.

Well, if you had actually clicked on it or read my previous posts, you'd know that blacks are prosecuted at about a 3:1 rate compared to whites for both possession and sales of drugs. 2:1 for Latinos. And I already posted an article with a quote from a Nixon aide admitting that the War on Drugs was primarily a racial thing, so you're just completely wrong on that first point.

Trump didn't say "MS13," he said Mexicans. There's really no justifying or excusing away his statements.

If you are on the clock, which they are, do your job!

Lol, they don't have a time clock. NFL players aren't paid hourly.

 

[Greymane]

"racism is bad"
"OH SO YOU ONLY CARE ABOUT BLACKS HUH"
Leave it to a literal horsefucker to be so astonishingly retarded that I don't need to say anything else.

You say that yet you entirely ignored my question, so elobarate.
On the racism in the usa only btw, since as said to another that is the scope now used.

and if trying to denounce somebody purely based on a profile pic and putting words in ones mouth is all you can do, go back to school.

 

[Navonod]

On paper, yes. But if you actually look at the charts @Xzi linked you'd see that minorities are disproportionately targeted in spite of that. It's up to the police officers to enforce the laws as they see fit

Which is literally the issue that the topic is in reference to

It's a Police officers job to investigate potential drug dealers and wrong doers. If you dress and act like one then you raise concern.
I've been searched it's no big deal. Just let the officer do his job and keep your hands where they can see them. And don't get an attitude.
You can talk shit later. 9 times out of 10 every one will walk away out of the situation.