Nobody who complains about NFL players taking a knee during the anthem stands up for it at home

[Navonod]

lmao
pathetic
Yes everyone hates white people, the boogeyman is out to get you.
How about everyone hates racists? white people are in power so a white person who is a racist who is also a cop is bad news, it really isn't so hard to understand.
You seem to only care for yourself though.
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Why don't you tell him what the police were originally designed to do.

I'm not playing victim or anything in fact I don't really care if you hate me. Just stating facts from all the posts wishing white genocide for Christmas.
But now you know what it looks like when black people pull a victim card out of no where when no one is out to get them.
But yes please educate me on the 70s and all the stuff I already know.

 

[Deleted User]

I've yet to meet a white guilt kind person.


I'm not playing victim or anything in fact I don't really care if you hate me. Just stating facts from all the posts wishing white genocide for Christmas.
But now you know what it looks like when black people pull a victim card out of no where when no one is out to get them.
But yes please educate me on the 70s and all the stuff I already know.

Whatever man you keep using the term SJW and White Gulit you are what you are.

White genocide? how do you get to this from what I am saying? I am white, do you think I want to die?

wtf is wrong with the world....racism run rampant, hate run rampant

I had enough of this depression shit today.

 

[Navonod]

Whatever man you keep using the term SJW and White Gulit you are what you are.

White genocide? how do you get to this from what I am saying? I am white, do you think I want to die?

wtf is wrong the world....racism run rampant, hate run rampant

I had enough of this depression shit today.

When did I call anyone here an SJW? Or say that anyone here had white guilt?
I used examples from people in real life but no one here.

I didn't say that YOU said anything about white genocide I was referring to this https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...threats/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.da92248c65c0.
Slow down and read and understand what I'm saying.

Edit: fixed.

 

[JellyPerson]

This thread should have gone like
Temper A: racism sucks
Temper B: ikr
Temper C: ya


Oh well.

 

[MaverickWellington]

Yes and his low intelligence quotient.

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White Guilt = Kind, anti-racist white people

Alright let's not be disingenuous now. "White guilt" is a legitimate thing, specifically the people who are really, REALLY brownnosey (pun not intended) towards blacks, especially regarding slavery. That said, you aren't really white guilt in this case from what I'm seeing. Lemme finish reading the whole debate before I start calling more people idiots.

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That was 1968 pretty sure things are not as bad as 1968. 2018 everyone hates white people.

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Racism is only a problem if you let it be a problem.

>everyone hates white people
>posts about people calling for white genocide as if they're an issue

>racism is only a problem if you let it be a problem
dude you didn't just shoot yourself in the foot, you blew your whole damn leg off

 

[Hanafuda]

Oh the issues run much deeper than police brutality. The fact that a corporation (now legally having the rights of an individual, wtf is that nonsense?) can penalize an employee for taking advantage of their constitutional right to protest an issue which is clearly effecting a large populous sets a dangerous precedent.

They have a right to protest. They don't have the right to use the NFL's facilities, events, and media coverage to grandstand that protest. The players are under contract to abide by a code of conduct, breaching which can rightly be met by fines or termination. It's a private business contract, and has squat to do with the 1st Amendment. The NFL has been lax on the issue but has given plenty of notice for the upcoming season that it must stop. So they can protest, but the NFL can take action if the player has contractually obligated himself (and they all have) not to behave against the league's wishes while in uniform. Whether the NFL actually follows through on it, we'll see.

 

[gameboy]

They have a right to protest. They don't have the right to use the NFL's facilities, events, and media coverage to grandstand that protest. The players are under contract to abide by a code of conduct, breaching which can rightly be met by fines or termination. It's a private business contract, and has squat to do with the 1st Amendment. The NFL has been lax on the issue but has given plenty of notice for the upcoming season that it must stop. So they can protest, but the NFL can take action if the player has contractually obligated himself (and they all have) not to behave against the league's wishes while in uniform. Whether the NFL actually follows through on it, we'll see.

$10mil slave contracts lol

 

[MaverickWellington]

$10mil slave contracts lol

Haven't you said you were gonna leave this "SJW thread" twice now? Did you only stay because you think you can "trigger" them or some shit?

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They have a right to protest. They don't have the right to use the NFL's facilities, events, and media coverage to grandstand that protest. The players are under contract to abide by a code of conduct, breaching which can rightly be met by fines or termination. It's a private business contract, and has squat to do with the 1st Amendment. The NFL has been lax on the issue but has given plenty of notice for the upcoming season that it must stop. So they can protest, but the NFL can take action if the player has contractually obligated himself (and they all have) not to behave against the league's wishes while in uniform. Whether the NFL actually follows through on it, we'll see.

I think the bulk of the matter isn't whether they're legally allowed to do it or not, it's whether it's ethical or not to prevent them from protesting in such a harmless manner. It'd be one thing if they were straight up throwing games or betraying their team, but they're just kneeling during the anthem. Is it really that big of a deal?

 

[Xzi]

They have a right to protest. They don't have the right to use the NFL's facilities, events, and media coverage to grandstand that protest.

You realize the NFL brought this all on themselves, right? Players never used to be required to be on the field during the anthem and pre-game, they stayed in the locker room. Then the NFL started requiring them to be on the field. Then players used that as a way to protest. Then the NFL said stay in the locker room if you want to protest, lol.

 

[Hanafuda]

It all carries over and is part of a long trend. AFAIK the War on Drugs hasn't officially "ended," either, and blacks are still prosecuted at almost a 3:1 ratio compared to whites, despite statistics showing both races use illegal drugs at about the same rate.

https://www.drugpolicy.org/sites/default/files/DPA Fact Sheet_Drug War Mass Incarceration and Race_(Feb. 2016)_0.pdf

What gets you prosecuted and incarcerated for drugs in the US is either 1) dealing drugs, or 2) drugs in combination with violence, particularly firearms. Simple possession rarely is worth the State's time anymore, especially at the Federal level. Maybe if someone is arrested with a bunch of carfentanil, but not for usual possession. So the statistics showing that whites and blacks "use" drugs at the same rate but are disproportionately incarcerated don't mean much. Are a higher percentage of blacks per capita involved in dealing & gang drug activity? I don't know and don't have stats, but it's a theory that would explain the disparity.

 

[Xzi]

What gets you prosecuted and incarcerated for drugs in the US is either 1) dealing drugs, or 2) drugs in combination with violence, particularly firearms. Simple possession rarely is worth the State's time anymore, especially at the Federal level. Maybe if someone is arrested with a bunch of carfentanil, but not for usual possession. So the statistics showing that whites and blacks "use" drugs at the same rate but are disproportionately incarcerated don't mean much. Are a higher percentage of blacks per capita involved in dealing & gang drug activity? I don't know and don't have stats, but it's a theory that would explain the disparity.

The first graph in the linked PDF shows roughly four times as many arrests for possession as there are for drug sales.

 

[MaverickWellington]

It all carries over and is part of a long trend. AFAIK the War on Drugs hasn't officially "ended," either, and blacks are still prosecuted at almost a 3:1 ratio compared to whites, despite statistics showing both races use illegal drugs at about the same rate.

https://www.drugpolicy.org/sites/default/files/DPA Fact Sheet_Drug War Mass Incarceration and Race_(Feb. 2016)_0.pdf

Let's address the elephant in the room. You're citing sources that are from a heavily biased source that uses said sources in arguments to further its agenda. It'd be better to get numbers on such arrests from the people who arrest them, IE, the FBI.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

What gets you prosecuted and incarcerated for drugs in the US is either 1) dealing drugs, or 2) drugs in combination with violence, particularly firearms. Simple possession rarely is worth the State's time anymore, especially at the Federal level. Maybe if someone is arrested with a bunch of carfentanil, but not for usual possession. So the statistics showing that whites and blacks "use" drugs at the same rate but are disproportionately incarcerated don't mean much. Are a higher percentage of blacks per capita involved in dealing & gang drug activity? I don't know and don't have stats, but it's a theory that would explain the disparity.

Not true at all, one of the reasons officers will ask to search a car during a "standard" traffic stop is to look for drugs, of which possession is obviously illegal

 

[Xzi]

Let's address the elephant in the room. You're citing sources that are from a heavily biased source that uses said sources in arguments to further its agenda. It'd be better to get numbers on such arrests from the people who arrest them, IE, the FBI.

The document sources the FBI, the Census Bureau, the Justice Department and other similar institutions. It's not an opinion piece.

 

[MaverickWellington]

The document sources the FBI, the Census Bureau, the Justice Department and other similar institutions.

And it can just as easily have fucked with them to suit its own argument. It'd be like trusting PETA to give reasonable statistics for literally anything related to animals. It's best to get sources directly from the source, not a website with an agenda to push.

 

[Navonod]

Alright let's not be disingenuous now. "White guilt" is a legitimate thing, specifically the people who are really, REALLY brownnosey (pun not intended) towards blacks, especially regarding slavery. That said, you aren't really white guilt in this case from what I'm seeing. Lemme finish reading the whole debate before I start calling more people idiots.

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>everyone hates white people
>posts about people calling for white genocide as if they're an issue

>racism is only a problem if you let it be a problem
dude you didn't just shoot yourself in the foot, you blew your whole damn leg off

Looks like you only saw like two of my comments then said something.
Yes racism wouldn't be a problem if that's all you talk about.
I know Morgan Freeman doesn't speak for all black people but when he was asked "How do we stop racism?".
He said to stop talking about it. But here you guys are. I'm at fault to but this is entertaining and funny. So eh.

 

[Hanafuda]

The first graph in the linked PDF shows roughly four times as many arrests for possession as there are for drug sales.

Arrested ≠ prosecuted and/or incarcerated.

I see the results of simple drug possession arrests all the time in my work. Diversion programs, probation (sometimes with expungement if successfully completed), and dismissals. Not prison.

For example, get busted for DUI, expired registration, and a misdemeanor amount of marijuana. They'll usually drop the MJ charge if you'll plead guilty to the DUI and get your registration paid up.

Possession with intent is a different kettle of fish, but is still a "possession" arrest even though the legal assumption is the person is dealing because of the amount in their possession.

Making an arrest for an actual drug sale is rather difficult, as someone involved must either be a cop, or a snitch.

Anyway, what I'm getting at is that many of those possession arrests would have been "possession with intent", meaning still talkin about dealers, not just users.

 

[Xzi]

And it can just as easily have fucked with them to suit its own argument. It'd be like trusting PETA to give reasonable statistics for literally anything related to animals. It's best to get sources directly from the source, not a website with an agenda to push.

The last page of the PDF is a long list of original sources and where they can be found. It's fine to be skeptical, but too much skepticism just quells discussion. It's a thoroughly researched document. If you can find another document contradicting all these statistics, that'd be another thing.

 

[MaverickWellington]

Looks like you only saw like two of my comments then said something.
Yes racism wouldn't be a problem if that's all you talk about.
I know Morgan Freeman doesn't speak for all black people but when he was asked "How do we stop racism?".
He said to stop talking about it. But here you guys are. I'm at fault to but this is entertaining and funny. So eh.

Yeesh, your posts are stunted as fuck. If you have something to say, just say it and get to the point. Racism in power is something that needs to be removed. Full stop. Just not talking about it makes people blissfully ignorant to the harsh reality of the issue. If people can put so much effort into living in blissful ignorance, they can put the same effort into fixing it so they don't have to cover their eyes and ears.

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The last page of the PDF is a long list of original sources and where they can be found. It's fine to be skeptical, but too much skepticism just quells discussion. It's a thoroughly researched document.

I don't see what quells discussion about "these guys have an agenda to push, let's look specifically at their sources to make sure there's no fuckery"

 

[Xzi]

I don't see what quells discussion about "these guys have an agenda to push, let's look specifically at their sources to make sure there's no fuckery"

Feel free to look into each and every one of those sources, but I personally couldn't find anything contradicting the numbers they're claiming.

The ones pushing an "agenda" are those that perpetuate the War on Drugs. If anything, those asking for responsible drug policy are pushing a common sense anti-agenda.