Nintendo will be launching a new version of the original Switch model, with improved battery life

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  1. GerbilSoft

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    I think I see why everyone keeps insisting that the Switch "refresh" only gets half an hour more runtime on battery.

    This part is worded poorly:
    "HDH-001" is Switch Lite, but it isn't obvious on first glance.

    Battery runtimes according to the Nintendo product page:
    • Switch [HAC-001]: 2.5 - 6.5 hr
    • Switch Lite [HDH-001]: 3 - 7 hr
    • Switch "refresh" [HAC-001(-01)]: 4.5 - 9 hr
     
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  2. TR_mahmutpek

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    Maybe lithography revision on chipset but who knows? I hope they use 7nm, if not at least 14nm must have.
     
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    I forgot
    I've clarified this point now, so hopefully no more misunderstandings
     
  5. pedro702

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    this is basicaly a refresh like ps3 slim, or ds lite, where specs are the same and the console is component upgraded and for switch that batery life is amazing imo, sure someday they will release a pro model so im kinda on the fence if its worth buying imo or wait with my 3 hour batery for next years or so pro model.
     
  6. Xzi

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    Oh, guess I didn't read the OP carefully enough. Yeah that's a decent improvement, but if I primarily used portable mode, I'd just get a Switch Lite. Switch Pro should theoretically have more power AND better battery life, so anyone who primarily uses docked mode or splits 50/50 would be better served by waiting. Especially since this refresh devalues the trade-in/resale value of original Switch anyway.
     
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  7. pedro702

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    dsi and new 3ds say hi ... so does the gbc, nintendo almost always makes better versions of their handhelds, they never did with their home consoles becuase no one did only this gen we got better same generation options on ps4 pro and xbox one x.

    November 21, 2004 Regular DS
    March 2, 2006 nintendo ds lite(basicaly refresh same specs)
    April 2, 2009 Dsi better cpu and gpu (pro model only after 4 years and some months.)


    February 26, 2011 3ds
    July 28, 2012 3ds XL basicaly a refresh better batery and such
    October 11, 2014 new 3ds/Xl Pro model better cpu/gpu 3 and half years after



    so following the trend

    March 3, 2017 Switch
    September 20, 2019 Lite (refresh)
    late 2020 or early 2021 Pro switch most likely
     
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  8. Xzi

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    Yeah I'm less inclined to be skeptical about the Switch Pro coming now that the rumor about Switch Lite has panned out exactly as predicted. There's no evidence to back IP60's claim that plans for the Pro have been canceled, and from a competitive standpoint, it makes sense that it would be released around the same time as PS5/Scarlett.
     
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  9. pedro702

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    well they got it right that 2 new switch modes were in produtction and that was lite and the new revision i guess, so pro might only go in production in late 2020 or even 2021 if they release it around summer or so, heck if the pro model makes hanheld be able to become the new portable mode and the docked mode be even better then yes im down for it, hanheld mode with docked power would be enough to be pro model, and i want that 5 hour batery life to remain from switch revision :P.


    what i dont get is why the new switch revision has more batery? i mean i bet lite and switch revision will be same chipset and lite model has a smaller screen, so did they cheapened out on the batery mha on lite? or will the new switch model have same chipset and an even bigger batery and be abit heavier?

    some they get a more efficient cpu gpu chipset and increase the mha?

    maybe switch revision is lite chipset and 6000mha batery or something?
     
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  10. Xzi

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    Probably a lower capacity battery to fit in the smaller form factor of Lite, yeah. That's the most logical conclusion.
     
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    well if the new switch model has same batery as original switch and just diferent chipset then its a preety huge power effecient chipset because

    botw on original switch runs for 3 hours right.
    botw on switch revision runs for 5,5 hours.

    that is 83% more power effecient chipset that is crazy imo, i bet it has maybe 5000mha atleast i dont think they improved power effeciancy on 83% alone with a new chipset with same specs.
     
  12. Waygeek

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    Intellectual dishonesty much? 'Pro' suggests improved GPU/CPU, which results in a better experience with games, not a longer one. PS4 'Pro' runs off mains power, the experience can be as long as you want. The 'Pro' means better in-game performance. People are borrowing that moniker from that, ergo that's what they mean.

    It's the same size as the OG.

    Guys y'all really need to think for a second before posting...
     
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    So with the new chip, would it mean that overclocking through homebrew etc would be more stable and/or more overclockable?
     
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    I sincerely doubt that. That would be too many new models in such a short time span, and wouldn't make sense at this point, the Switch is already selling very well. Something like that would be saved towards the end of the console's life cycle, to make people upgrade to the new model as the sales are starting to dry out, extending the life span of the console, and also to compete with M$ and Sony's new offerings. Don't expect to see that for another couple years.
     
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    For all we know, this might be the rumoured "Switch Pro". It definitely has some hardware changes on-board to get this much extra juice on-top.

    I suspect it will be more stable due to improved cooling and smaller power envelope, but we need to see some teardown first.
     
  16. PityOnU

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    Lots of disinformation/misunderstanding in this thread.

    This is a switch (haha) from the old Tegra X1 (Logan) using a 20nm lithography to a newer revision of the Tegra X1 (Mariko) using a 16nm lithography. Most of the power (and heat!) savings are from that. They have also changed the NAND and the type of DRAM being used (the latter is also lower power).

    This IS the rumored third Switch model that was hinted at in firmware files. But it's not a Switch Pro, just a hardware refresh. So this is the beginning and end of all new hardware leaks from Nintendo.

    This is not a /battery/ upgrade. The battery is the exact same mAh as the original. You will not be able to translate these gains to an old generation Switch - at all.



    P.S. - Can we talk about how stupid it is to have "pro" versions of gaming consoles?
     
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  17. Megadriver94

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    Why? Do the PS4 Pro, 120GB PS3 and Xbox One X make you feel insecure?
    1562974192199.
     
  18. Foxi4

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    Pretty much what I suspected then. They may have done both, improved the battery and the chip, it's not uncommon to see battery upgrades go hand in hand with hardware revisions, but a die shrink is a safer bet simply because of how big the difference is.
     
  19. Waygeek

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    Don't doubt it. They want to be making the one SoC board, and make it more secure to boot. Who knows, they may have come across another vulnerability we don't know about.

    Assertive statement followed by a 'probably'. A 4nm die shrink is not increasing battery life to that extent, especially if it's still as big as 16nm (practically ancient at this point). This is definitely a mAh bump in addition to the new fab.

    It wasn't stupid, not this generation. Blame Jaguar. Will there be PS5 Pro/NextBox X? Probably, with better raytracing being my guess as the reason for their existence.
     
  20. Foxi4

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    A 20% shrink is significant, so it's not out of the realm of possibility. We won't know for sure what's different until we see this thing apart, until then it's all speculation and educated guesses.
     
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    ooooof I like those purple and orange joycons. Gonna have to keep an eye out for those shells to replace my current ones.
     
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