Nintendo once again proves that, as much as I love them... they're pretty awful sometimes.

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  1. Muffins
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    I am actually ok with Nintendo doing this. It's not like Nintendo attacked them for something completely legal, they went after them for selling products that allowed pirated games. Sony and Microsoft would have done the same thing if they found stores doing this.
     
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    my dad works for nintendo.
    same opinion.
    i am a pirate and i love to pirate.
    but if someone does this kind of business (make profit from a product to allow privacy on a new console), they know the risk, and it's their problem. it's not a surprise that someday the police comes at your door or sends you a letter..
    and i really hoped gatebait team had a police visit, but so far there is no news about that...
     
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    Doubt that will ever happen since its in china
     
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    They had legal rights to do this action. Might as well be angry with every ESA company.
     
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    didnt know it's awful to protect your own product from piracy.
     
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    I'm not a pirate, but I'm going to go ahead and say this was a douche move. Like it or not, there are perfectly valid, legal reasons for using these devices (i.e. backups). Which we legally have the right to make. I don't think Nintendo should be able to sue a company simply for selling these devices. Now, if a company decided to start selling these devices, along with a microSD card loaded with pirated games, then by all means they're guilty of piracy. But for just selling a flash cartridge or a modchip? No way.
     
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    Actually personal back ups are considered a legal grey area and regardless it's up to you to prove you are using the tool for your own personal back ups. Either way, they were selling the tools that could be used for piracy and that's all the concerns Nintendo and it's their right to protect their products.
     
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    Like I said it is under ESA beliefs of the actions Nintendo has taken.
     
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    Nicely said. Anyone who says Nintendo has the "right" to harm this innocent company is part of the problem. We began freely giving away our rights decades ago, and people just stuck their heads in the sand, just as you see them doing in this very topic.
    It hits close to home with me. A very good friend of mine named Nils ran a company called Visoly that marketed development tools for the GBA. Because of Nintendo's scummery, Visoly ended up going under and Nils disappeared. I wish I knew where he went, because I want to know he's doing all right. I want to know he's safe and well. But I don't, because Nintendo and its army of rights-destroying lawyers felt it neccesary to ruin this one company.
     
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    Exactly what countries does this affect?
     
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    In this case is it right for nintendo to sue gateway if the gw team does not show how to play copy righted roms?
     
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    I don't feel like posting here anymore. But, since this happened in my city and since I know the company (9net), I might as well give my 2 cents.

    What a great post! Going after companies that try to protect their business by going after those who make a profit from others' hard work.


    Anyway, the whole situation is a few years old, starting from 2011 and coming to an end just now. The italian law has always punished piracy for profit (at first it was just monetary profit, now it's generic profit, but it changes nothing here) but it has been very lenient in the past. By the time the PS1 mods were out, you could buy modchips and pirated games either "under the table" or by illegal baracchini in the streets. The two companies Nintendo sued sold DS and Wii mods, probably flashcards and Wii modchips, that the company always stated how they only intended the mods to enable the consoles to play music, movies and such. I am very tired and I couldn't find anywhere that the company might have been selling pirated games as well. If someone wants to take a look, I'm leaving the documentation at the end of this post. If they got in trouble by selling pirated games, then Nintendo is right. If they got in trouble just by selling modchips and flashcards after the EU statement about flashcards, this is still wrong but I don't think that warrants for the law. It's not like they were the only ones selling flashcards here, they were very common (I even got one from an italian website very long ago) until the EU statement, then they were still around, but they all came from places like China and such, even though the websites and companies were still italian. They might have gotten in trouble for something as stupid as buying them in large stocks and keeping them in Italy. But, by 2911, pretty much everyone knew about flashcards, even parents that knew nothing about hacking, or even technology, with a lot of dishonest stores asking money to put games on flashcards.


    2012 article http://eulawradar.com/case-c-35512-...-game-piracy-or-an-unjust-market-foreclosure/ (english)
    2014 articles http://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=e4ed7da6-6f3d-4275-8124-33159d8d50d8 (english) and http://www.repmag.it/rubriche/copyr...izia-europea-nel-caso-nintendo-vs-pc-box.html (italian)
    The official statement http://curia.europa.eu/juris/document/document.jsf?docid=146686&doclang=EN (english)



    I'll stick around here if you have further questions.

    PS: I'm not linking more italian sources because last time some dumb journalist wrote about someone selling more than 300 "fake DSs", failing to realize that they were imported from Japan. And this was on newspaper, ugh.
     
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    Given that your overly long post began with a base untruth in the first place, you can take your cents and find someone else to bother, thank you very much. You can say what you want about your views on piracy, but the lame excuse that Nintendo or any other company is "protecting" themselves in any way is just that- an excuse. They aren't "protecting" themselves or anyone else. They weren't doing it when they used their near-monopoly to manipulate the market during the 80s and early 90s. They weren't doing it when they implemented region lock on handhelds during the last generation cycle. This is all about control, and it always has been.
     
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    Piracy wasn't nearly as much of an issue in the NES days. Also, didn't they do things like this in the DS days too?
     
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    That doesn't mean you won't be able to order them online anymore, does it?
     
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    Poor Italy, but at least the 3DS and Wii U will sell millions of more units/games now! /s
     
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    Boohoo! :'(
    If I'm selling stuff I made and someone else is copying said stuff I made to sell his illegal copies at a very low price I have every single right to defend myself. Even most of the people that are pro-piracy are still against those parasites that sell pirated games.

    Also, judging by what you've just written, you sound like a misinformed person, so here you go http://www.1up.com/news/day-history-nintendo-wages-war

    Have a good read.
     
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    Boo frickin hoo. And the goal isn't to stop piracy forever, it's to stem the growth by setting precedents that selling goods that enable piracy will get you in serious trouble, small business or not.
     
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    I'm sorry, but do you understand how the laws works? Selling products like this is and always has been against the law because it's a violation of copyright laws. As for Visoly, they weren't some company making innocent products, they were making flashcards used for piracy, Nintendo had all the right in the world to defend themselves from this product. Nintendo is still a business and they are still needing a profit, you make it out like they enjoy sending their lawyers out to sue people. They don't, no company does. Why? Because it's costly and they gain very little out of it. These cases are not good for business.
    Nintendo isn't trying to stop piracy forever, if they were, they would target sites like GBATemp that provide tools and guides for piracy, but they don't. Nintendo is just trying to stop someone who was breaking copyright laws. You are acting like this person was some innocent small business owner, when the truth is, they were criminals. They broke the law and Nintendo took action.
     
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