Nintendo is hurt since they only do games.

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  1. RevPokemon
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    Think about this the Wii U has sold more units than Xbone and 3ds has dominated the Vita in sales. I personally see the Wii u beating the Xbone in sales when it done or at the end they will both be close in sales (much like when it was Xbox vs GC). However MS and Sony are both worth much more as they make Phones, tablets, TVs , PCs and what not which can give them cash flow when they have struggles in gaming while if Nintendo bombs in gaming it game over. So what I'm saying I think this whole thing that Nintendo's systems aren't selling well isn't the main problem, the problem is they don't have nearly as many sources of Cash Flow.
     
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    your thread is going to have a lot of heat, just sayin'.
     
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    Iwelp if people can argue for 6 pages over if cubic ninja is worth it than I kinda expect a debate.
     
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    Those companies are split into different factions and it's very rare for the monetary gain of one faction to satisfy the other. For example, Sony would rather close their gaming portion before using money made from Sony Pictures to help it out. Nintendo will be fine because, well, Nintendo. no other company has successfully stolen their charm. Sony tried to mimic Super Smash Bros, but did poorly. Then they tried to steal the cutesy charm with Knack (and maybe Ratchet & Clank, Jax & Daxter before it) but fail to do so because their demographic isn't interested in those games. In short, Nintendo will forever be fine until someone like Miyamoto, the entire Tokyo EAD team, or someone else decides to leave and takes the charm elsewhere.
     
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    Pretty sure Nintendo is worth more than ALL of Sony's divisions combined. (Sony's other divisions gots problems) Microsoft is something like 15 times bigger than either Sony or Nintendo though, and could theoretically afford to lose BIG money on its gaming division for decades before anyone noticed. But, Microsoft does notice such things, since they didn't waste much time killing off the Zune when its sales stayed tepid (at best) for an extended period.

    Regardless, unless you've spent some considerable time in Japan you're probably not aware of just how SOLID Nintendo's market presence is there. They could say 'fuck the West' tomorrow, stop exporting, and roll in billions forever anyway just on domestic sales.


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    What you described is exactly what happened to atari when I bombed (ya know the then new president said screw this let's work on computers rather than gaming.)

    Honestly I highly doubt that Nintendo is worth more than all the Sony divisions its just not possible for that to happen. Secondly I do understand that ms or Sony would like kill off gaming if it needed to much money but bottom line it would take more for Sony or Ms to tank. For example what if their is another gaming crash? Sony and Ms do more things to where while the gaming crash would hurt but I wouldn't put them out of business unlike Nintendo. Don't get me wrong I love Nintendo (Ive been a homeboy since Pre-K in the early 00's) and am personally pleased with their Wii u offerings (IMO personally much better than what MS or Sony offers currently) I just want them to be relevant for many years to come.
     
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    http://metro.co.uk/2014/01/08/nintendo-valued-as-bigger-company-than-sony-4254425/

    Sony has many divisions, but most of them are only marginally profitable or worse. It's big, but has a heavy weight around its neck. Balance the sheet and the market values it (in total) at just under $18 billion (as of 01/2014, anyway). Nintendo's total value at the same time was over $18 bill. Even if their bottom line numbers have shifted since then (I doubt it) it'd still be very close either way.


    And, just my mental bullshit ... I could be way off ... but I think a "gaming crash" could collapse Sony as easily as Nintendo, since the TV and other divisions might not be able to hold up anymore against the competition (Samsung especially) without the gaming division profits.

    Also, I'm glad to hear you've been a Nintendo fan since Pre-K in the early 00's. I've always been a Nintendo fan too, ever since the first time I played SMB in Spring of 1986, my freshman year of college.


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    Hmm well that's interesting I was relying on an old thing i read that said sony was worth 40 bil and nintendo at 25 bil

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    But yeah Sony could collapse (their TVs aren't as good as Samsung or vizio) easier than Nintendo as at least Nintendo could sell their IPS for more than Sony could. Also yes I do love Nintendo I have been with since I started gaming and plan to be with them when I end gaming as well.
     
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    One small thing: the Xbone is outselling the Wii U at this point by a pretty good margin. I mean, vgchartz isn't the greatest source, but their tracking generally isn't off by a substantial amount, so you can pretty much guarantee that the Xbone has at least 1 million units sold over the Wii U. Really, you can pretty much guarantee that no matter what comes out on the Wii U, it will come in last this generation. It's pretty unlikely that it will experience a sudden and lasting popularity spike at any point in its life that will push it past where ever the Xbone is in sales whenever that theoretical point could come.

    And yeah, in time, Nintendo could be hurt doing nothing but making dedicated game consoles, especially when their biggest income is from their dedicated gaming handheld that is quickly being phased out by ever more capable phones and tablets. This is probably why they're pushing themselves into making quality of life products though. They know they need to push their business somewhere else if they really want to succeed, especially since 3DS sales will continue to decrease as the system gets older, with Wii U sales showing no sign of increasing in a substantial enough way anytime soon.

    When it comes to Sony, as a company, they're stretched a bit thin, but their gaming division is doing really well at this point. As well, they're pushing their Xperia line more and giving more integrated functionality with their game console and other services, unfortunately kind of pushing past the Vita, but ultimately they're almost future proofing since smart phones (and tablets) are the gaming handhelds of the future. They'll continue to just kind of chug along for a little while yet, I'm sure, but eventually they will find a way to recover.

    For Microsoft, gaming is kind of a side hobby of theirs. They're so big without it that it doesn't particularly matter if their game console doesn't sell amazingly as long as it turns a profit.
     
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    Nintendo needs to bring back the love hotels they used to have to add diversity to the company (JK)

    Wii u could still beat xbone in but I'm saying sales wise it will be like ps2 vs Xbox vs GC (When Sony won by a huge margin and. Xbox came second and GC was third but not by that wide of a margin). But ultimately MS and Sony are better suited for a Game crash because they have more diversity in the products they sell.
     
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    I personnaly don't care about console wars. I bought a nintendo console (here, the Wii U) for nintendo games. I'm not regretting my choices, as a nintendo fanboy :)
     
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    I see this being like that generation, but not exactly the same. Xbox isn't a brand new console at this point. They have an established relationship with third parties, and they have their fair share of first party IP. There will probably be a substantial sales gap between the Xbox One and PS4, but even more likely is that there will be an even larger gap in sales between the Xbox One and Wii U. Much like the Gamecube, I expect Nintendo will just barely scrape a profit out of the Wii U by the end of its lifetime.
     
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    Same here I love Nintendo and in the 2 years I've owned a Wii u I've never had regret choosing it over xbone or ps4. The only thing is that this topic was not really about console wars rather is about the future of the Big 3 and specifically Nintendo's role in
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    I don't think Nintendo cares where they "place" in sales. Coming in 3rd is fine, if they still profit. In this cycle, I'm not sure that's going to happen for the WiiU alone, but overall w/ the handheld side Nintendo will still probably profit overall. The N64 and Gamecube were both considered "fails" by Western gamers because they were beaten in sales by Sony ... but from what I've read about it the company actually profited nicely on both of those consoles (and still profit from them w/ virtual console sales).

    I've also read that Nintendo has BILLIONS of dollars stashed, which probably has a lot to do with them being so highly valued as discussed above.
     
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    It's not a console war with Nintendo. Nintendo makes Nintendo games and Nintendo will be the only company to ever make Nintendo games. It's a console war with PS3 and Xbox because of the crass similarities between the two. Hell, I don't even think Wii U owners get the same games as PS4/XO users, for the most part. If you love Nintendo more than you like stereotypical video games, you'll probably end up buying a Wii U.
     
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    Personal console love doesn't matter here. This is pretty much just speculation on the overall performance of game systems this generation, and how it will affect businesses. Even if you like a Wii U, I'm sure you can recognize its struggling sales and the slim likelihood that they will pick up in a substantial fashion, and what that will come to mean as the 3DS starts slowly decreasing in sales each quarter. Although the New 3DS is nice, I don't think it will have the impact Nintendo expects. This is basically the DSi of the 3DS line, but they have to remember that ultimately the DSi XL only sold because it was the largest model in the DS line. They squandered that opportunity when releasing a regular 3DS XL early in the system's life with a strange lack of strategic timing.
     
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    tl;dr

    - separate factions, Sony and Microsoft's advantages are there but not as big as people might think
    - Nintendo has major cash reserves AKA the war chest, boom
    - Nintendo is expanding to QoL which they think will be great, now amiibo, and licenses out their IP in a lot of products, meaning they still have plenty going on

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    Nintendo would have to ruin the reputation of their IP AND have a failure of a next-gen handheld AND fail in this Quality of Life investment for them to have any chance of being screwed

    and even then, they could probably still bounce back, it would just take some more policy changes and platform reassessments and such--companies failing a bit and such isn't always bad, Nintendo's been making so many improvements ever since they realized various flaws with how they launched the Wii U and 3DS, their indie program is better, so is marketing, online, variety of goods, open-mindedness, they're far from perfect but a good slap in the face in the form of poor financial reports will really just push a company like Nintendo to push back even harder and well, the end-result can be nasty when risks are taken and they really start changing and fighting for the better

    also screw console wars, I just like fun games
     
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    Sure they look promising but how many will be? Sure they probably will have a few good original IPS but not as much as Sony or Nintendo. Personally I think Nintendo is more likely to make jumps in sales than Ms although something could happen to give MS a comfortable lead. Even if Nintendo could get away with a minor Profit it would be a success. Only thing I hate about Nintendo's situation is they keep making great games yet are struggling which as a Nintendo fan makes me sad.
     
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    I agree with you here. buy nintendo if you like nintendo. End of story.
     
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    I sadly agree but maybe Nintendo will win the next generation. Either way I agree Wii u is very unlikely to succeed after the last two years.