Nintendo filed patent for gaming console without disc reader

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    Source: http://nintendoeverything.com/ninte...stationary-game-console-without-optical-disk/

    So boys, seems as though Nintendo's filed a patent for a console without a disc reader which imo, is fucking awesome 'cause cards are way faster and can store more data than a disc can. Still, it's better to not expect anything of this until they officially announce it.

    Also, for all we know Nintendo could be going digital but it doesn't seem likely given how outdated their mentalities are.
     


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    I hope they don't go all digital. That would be a pain.
     
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_64

    pretty sure they made this mistake already ohh a decade and some change ago
     
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    At the time of typing this first paragraph I have not really read the claims. I am going with they tried to patent the idea of a dumb terminal with caching, though I have not seen "for games" be a patent winner yet even if they do have the modern staple of "over a network" in there. What will be doubly amusing is if both Sega and Nintendo have done this before with their Meganet (1990) and Satellaview (1995) systems respectively.

    Anyway

    Been a little while since I had a laugh at the failure that is the US patent office's prior art and obviousness division. Annoyingly I have to trash every claim in a US patent rather than the house of cards approach I can use for EU stuff.

    1) PSP Go anybody?

    2) So you mean that time I had a bootloader stored in my EEPROM or NAND flash that then loaded the real program I had violated a future Nintendo patent? Oh no. Also a nice video on a slightly more advanced tweak on the subject

    3) Is this just the last line of 2) rephrased sightly?

    4) So you hashed/signed and possibly encrypted the program like every marginally secure system basically ever, including the Wii which came out several years before.

    5) Multiple storage devices in a computer... well actually I take it all back. That is some completely non obvious stuff there.

    6) If I was being less cynical I would have to wonder if Nintendo kind of made their own flash cart that you might be able to get written at a shop, you know like everybody wished the music industry would have done before it got easy.

    7) You mean the "if errors then slow your reads" and "try to slow the reads so it does not sound like a plane taking off" code/hardware controllers I have seen for decades are in violation of a future patent? Damn.

    8) I am confused. This is either they matched the serials/keys of a device to the host device or they have suggested read speeds in the program. Curiously the GBA featured multiple read speeds/waitstates for the cartridge it had (see the non 08000000-09FFFFFF cart memory mappings, which for an added bonus could even be assigned by the program).

    9) I think this might be better phrasing for 8) (which is to say program directed read speeds).

    10) This does sound like a flash cart.

    Bored now. Cherry picking the good stuff.

    13) I am curious here. Either they mean they could have a second console that might have a disc drive (GBA-GC link up? Perhaps instead the PSP go if it talked to another PSP with an optical drive or even better sent a demo over network). Else that time I plugged in a DVD drive to my sata USB caddy probably owes royalties to Nintendo.

    14) So that time my brother and I played wireless DS games with our chargers variously plugged in over the course of the session was predicting the future?

    17) So the time my powerpc gamecube sent ARM code to the GBA via GBA link cable, or perhaps the time I programmed my nice microcontroller from my X86 PC was a radical thing?

    18) Anybody remember when the master system had Alex Kidd on it that would play when you did not put a game in? I know the late 1980's are a bit far back but try anyway.

    20) " and at least one of the two modes is a mode for emulating a speed of reading and/or writing of data with respect to a storage device other than the hard disk drive" So you mean that time I was playing an Amiga emulator and it emulated the disc read times too...

    22) A computer running multiple processes and prioritising reads/resources for different programs. Forget all this obvious and prior art stuff as I think I have found something that is clearly impossible.

    25) So that remote play thing for the PSP/vita that Sony did does not count?

    26) I once got a demo tape from a game magazine, not sure of the year but the fact it came in tape form probably says most things you need to know. On one side was a version of a game for the C64 (a MOS Technology 6510 based computer) and on the other was either an Amstrad (a series of Z80 based computers) or ZX Spectrum (another Z80 based computer) version of the game. A bit newer but I also recall the GB had games that would work differently on a GBC, same processor but in no way cross compatible. I would say the GBA stuff but the GBA had GBC hardware in it and the way things told they were on a GBA was by a minor software quirk rather than anything special.


    All in all... at least when Sony does this ( https://gbatemp.net/threads/new-son...ntegration-into-all-non-trophy-titles.344991/ https://gbatemp.net/threads/sony-patents-adding-dlc-to-emulated-games.360179/ ) it amuses me slightly. This is just sad.

    the claims and the abstract
     
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    I honestly ok with this. I've pretty much started converting over to digital slowly over the last year because I released just how much hassle disks really are. I rarely buy physical copies anymore, unless I feel like I need one and if I don't, I sell it back and buy the digital copy instead.
     
  6. heartgold

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    I'm sure N64 carts couldn't compete in terms of capacity with CD's.

    Flash Medium like SD cards can already match or exceed blueray capacity.
     
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    Correct me if I'm wrong but don't SD cards have a limited read/write cycles?
     
  8. Snugglevixen

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    I like cartridges, but what about backwards compatibility?
    NXDD anyone?


    Wait, native N64 backwards compatibility anyone? :D
     
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    Everything has limited read (and write if it has the capability) cycles. Proportionally NAND memory (like what SD cards use) is quite a bit lower than some of the alternative tech, however I have SSDs rated for server use these days and well http://hackaday.com/2014/12/04/flash-memory-endurance-testing/

    Whether I will reliably be able to pick up this device's games in some 30 years like I can NES games today is up for debate. I am not sure what lifetime they might project but 5 years (more or less the legal minimum in much of the world -- in the UK see sales of goods act) is more than doable and a more consumer pleasing 10 years is well within reason as well. If they can back it with a reasonable online service (yes yes it is Nintendo, chances of such a thing happening and all that) then it becomes something of a moot point.
     
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    They are also a lot more expensive than discs. You can buy 100 DVDs for like 30€. You can buy like 6 for SD cards of the same 4GB size.
     
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    What bugs me about the idea of digital only is what happens years down the line? Say twenty years from now, their digital service is gone and something happens to your console (which the game is tied to)? You'd normally lose your game. Now granted, I generally mod my consoles, so I could probably eventually dump the software and have a backup, but that's a roundabout way to achieve what I can already do with physical media. A physical copy isn't tied to a console, if something happens to my SNES, I can just find another SNES and throw the cartridge in that.
     
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    A while back during a WiiU key (wii optical drive emulator) discussion I actually ran the numbers for various things. Various other common types of storage are competitive against optical media.
    http://gbatemp.net/threads/rumor-wiikeÜ.347139/page-9#post-4627422
     
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    You would have to be bat shit crazy to purchase, what could be hundreds of dollars, using Nintendo's backwards thinking, archaic online network.

    And for those people saying "oh this is their chance to magically turn things around...." They had that chance with the 3ds, wiiu and even the wii.

    Nintendo games are so small in scope these days they should do what sega did back in the 90s with hotels/motels. A streaming (online, not over satellite like sega) only box. Monthly subscription for all games which are streamed and stored temporarily on the console.
     
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    Ladies, gentlemen, the future is here. Goodbye, clunky mechanical disc drives, hello replacable, upgradable HDD/SSD storage! Don't even hope for cartridges with 50GB+ capacity (a 60GB SSD drive costs around $30-50, even if Nintendo ordered the barebones flash modules in bulk and assembled them into cartridges for storage, it'd inflate the price of games by $10-20 at least, far too expensive at the end of the day), this is going to be all digital. No more queues, no more "shortages of stock", just getting games Day 1 from the comfort of your sofa. There's only one aspect of digital that's inferior to physical media and that's the collector's value, but considering the convenience of digital, it's a price I'm willing to pay, albeit with a tear welling up in my eye.
     
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    Seeing how Nintendo's online infrastructure (and their entire "philosophy" on online play) is still stuck in 2000, I highly doubt they'll manage to successfully go "all digital" with whatever this patent pertains to.

    I doubt it's for the NX, though, I'm sure they're going to try and go with a Wii U Mini where instead of no online it just goes no physical. Make the console small as fuck, price it cheap as hell, then hope someone will actually give a shit?
     
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    Was thinking along DS and 3DS so if they expanded from there to a home console console using game cards too, it'd be awesome!

    Obviously to cut down the costs Nintendo would make their own proprietary cards than from other known companies.

    Btw, let's not forget Nintendo's really something when it comes to compressing games without causing quality loss.
     
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    Yeah, I'd like to move away from the standard disk. Less moving parts is usually a good thing; won't have to deal with scratches or fingerprints if this is the case.
     
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    DVDs=/=BluRay=What consoles actually use these days
     
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    What's interesting this patent states that games will have more than one hardware configuration and hardware selects which one to run.

    So like multiple form factors, same OS like ios/andriod and software runs accordingly to that hardware. In this this case I see a handheld and console. Why would Nintendo do this, when they can charge for the same game twice on both hardware to gain $$$. Crossplay would be easier on the other hand.
     
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    No discs doesn't necessarily mean cartridges. It could be download only.