Nintendo explains why SNES games Are New3DS exclusive.

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Why not do what Sega did with the Sonic Classics Collection on DS? Basically steal the Jenesis emulator. Not like the hackers who made it have any right to kick up a fuss.

AFAIK the developer went to work for sega and sold it to them, stopping development of the free version in the process. Which is what I was suggesting as the only sane O3DS solution.

It would have been hard for them to steal jEnesisDS, as the source doesn't seem to have ever been made available.

blargSNES source is released under the GPL, this gives the authors a pretty good starting point for kicking up a fuss. Just because you are a hacker writing software that can be used for copyright infringing purposes, doesn't change your legal rights.
 
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I'm saying that Nintendo makes the damn things, I'm sure they could figure it out if they weren't trying so desperately to shift as many N3DS units before the NX hits. Y'know, ignoring the legions of people who don't see the point of a tiny upgrade to the N3DS but would happily give them £7 or so to play Super Metroid.

If they could figure it out they would have done it already which is why they have not. Besides there is a major difference between a game running 60fps on a New3DS vs 15fps on an O3DS.

Look at Blargsnes even with Cutting Corners and hardware acceleration you STILL WONT GET 60FPS on most games.

And about Ninty making the games, people have been emulating for almost 20Years not including Hardware clones.
Developers have had plenty of time optimize emulation but like Blargs Co dev says its down to the hardware not being up to scratch.

The only way nintendo would make a SNES VC for O3DS would to be cutting major corners.
The whole point of the VC is to play them exactly as they were inended, thats why you dont get widescreen options and the streching option is minimal and can be turned off.

But hey argue away its not like we post on a forum where people buy the Sky3DS twice yet wont get a CFW N3DS instead and will probably be complaining about this also lol
 
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So you mean to tell me, that my PSP, running a single-core MIPS CPU, is able to run SNES games at a very playable speed, but Nintendo can't figure out how to get SNES games on a dual-core ARM11 cpu. They were able to figure out how to run NES and SNES games on the GBA when both the homebrew emulators for the GBA were complete shit.
Not to mention this is the same company that released Hyrule Warriors on the old3DS, basically releasing an extremely low quality version of the game ccompared to it's new3DS counterpart. If they are going to tell me they "care about quality," then turn around and release lower quality games on the same platform, it becomes very obvious that this isn't about quality control anymore.

Those SNES games on the GBA are not emulated. They are ports. As for NES games on the GBA like the NES Classic Series, those are emulated, but those are also not nearly as demanding and actually have the benefit of using the 2D hardware with no missing features (because they are simplistic, unlike the SNES), which offloads the entire graphic routine that normally would require rendering each pixel by software.

To requote what I said a couple of hours prior to your response.

That's great, but one thing to note is that if an official SNES emulator was made for the PSP, it wouldn't run nearly as well as (what I believe to be) the best homebrew one because that one more or less hijacks into the Media Engine chip for improved performance. A chip that is off-limits to official developers except through official APIs by the platform maker for the specific purpose the makers intended it for, much like the ARM7 in the DS.

Also note that the o3DS's dual-core has 70% of one of the cores dedicated to the OS. So it's really only 1.3 cores max, and that 0.3 is not really reliable. So what we're looking at here is practically 2x 333Mhz vs 1.3x 268Mhz in a vary vague comparison (because one is older and different from the other, but not necessarily weaker), where both of the additional support of the secondary processors/cores have a little disadvantage compared to the mains. And even with the SNES emulator on the PSP, it's still not as accurate as the one Nintendo made for n3DS.

A 'technical necessity' that professional game designers and programmers couldn't figure out for the sake of considerably enhanced sales potential? I can understand why the N3DS' slightly enhanced chipset is needed to run games like Xenoblade and Hyrule Warriors, but SNES games? Seriously? Not meaning to sound too much like Jeremy Clarkson, but how hard can it be?

Running a port is completely different from emulating a game. With a port, you recompile and adjust the game itself to work on the target platform. Ports are "native" to the platform they run on. With emulation, the game remains unaltered. No recompilation, no adjustments. What is done instead is you have to program the platform to act like something it is not.

Why not do what Sega did with the Sonic Classics Collection on DS? Basically steal the Jenesis emulator. Not like the hackers who made it have any right to kick up a fuss.

Other than what was said about the author being hired by Sega for that, the Sonic Classic Collection relied on the DS's 2D hardware (an improvement of the GBA's 2D hardware), which as stated regarding NES emulation above, offloaded a LOT of processing time that would otherwise would have been forced onto the CPU. In the DS's (and GBA's) case, it would be impossible to emulate those systems at full speed, half, or even a quarter, if the 2D hardware did not exist on them. Guess what? That's how it is on the 3DS. It lacks any accessible 2D hardware, so everything has to either be software-rendered, or attempt to use the GPU to render all map/sprite tiles via polygons which lacks features present in the 2D hardware of the GBA/DS (which already differs from the SNES in a lot of ways).
 
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Why not do what Sega did with the Sonic Classics Collection on DS? Basically steal the Jenesis emulator. Not like the hackers who made it have any right to kick up a fuss.

Publicly-traded companies don't have the same luxury of anonymity as hackers. If caught stealing, it could cost them potentially gravely through lowered stock value, lost business deals, and the like.

Besides the acceptable standard of quality (in my opinion) is higher for a commercial release. I expect better performance from emulators I'm putting real money into.
 
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edit. Missed that others had done things. I will leave this though.
Why not do what Sega did with the Sonic Classics Collection on DS? Basically steal the Jenesis emulator. Not like the hackers who made it have any right to kick up a fuss.
Yeah they would have the right -- emulation itself is not illegal or frowned upon in most places and thus they can license their work however they will. Should the authors have used certain techniques (see the underlying logic of clean room reverse engineering) then it could have got fun but by default emulation is just software and protected like other software. Unless you mean the license was permissive enough for Sega to do things, unlike say MAME until very recently or like pocketnes back on the GBA which did allow for commercial uses without many restrictions.
Also didn't they hire the dev of it to tweak it to their ends? Sega do have a bit of a history of drawing from the hacker, fan game and emulator dev communities.
 

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60 fps with 0 frameskip, it's that simple.
Having an perfectly accurate emulation of SNES is a bit demanding and 3DS is a fairly weak hardware.

You don't believe in me, fine, why don't you try playing Starfox or Megaman X3 on o3DS,
I was playing MMX3 on New 3DS and I experienced a lot of slowdowns on water levels.

Beside, why are everyone complaining now, these aren't the first exclusive titles to n3DS and probably won't be the last.
I wonder what havoc it would be if Nintendo made Pokémon Sun and Moon exclusive to New 3DS
 
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I would guess approximately "mmm whatcha smea"% of Pokémon would cry old tears.

You know what, I actually would love to see Nintendo made them n3DS exclusive.
o3DS was outdated on day one. Pokémon XY and ORAS look bad and have no 3D outside battles and experience
so much lag inside battles it's not even funny; try making a triple battle online with 3D, you can almost count the frames on your fingers, it's really bad.
Every Pokémon fan expects an visual upgrade when going on next gen, but how to achieve that when XY and ORAS barely run on o3DS? Make it a n3DS exclusive.
Of course there would be a lot of people whining about this decision but it, like there are people whining about SNES VC exclusive to n3DS, but I believe this decision would improve drastically the final result and offer us a Pokémon game with a visual quality and fluidity like never before
 
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You know what, I actually would love to see Nintendo made them n3DS exclusive.
o3DS was outdated on day one. Pokémon XY and ORAS look bad and have no 3D outside battles and experience
so much lag inside battles it's not even funny; try making a triple battle online with 3D, you can almost count the frames on your fingers, it's really bad.
Every Pokémon fan expects an visual upgrade when going on next gen, but how to achieve that when XY and ORAS barely run on o3DS? Make it a n3DS exclusive.
Of course there would be a lot of people whining about this decision but it, like there are people whining about SNES VC exclusive to n3DS, but I believe this decision would improve drastically the final result and offer us a Pokémon game with a visual quality and fluidity like never before
Quality over quantity.

I partially agree. I would love having 3D everywhere (I'm one of those few people who love using the 3D on the 3DS).
I don't think it's a good idea cutting out the whole o3DS userbase though, a lot of people would most likely upgrade to a n3DS (due to it being Pokemon).

They should make it n3DS enhanced, similar to Hyrule Warriors. It runs better on the n3DS and also has 3D available. 3D is not available on the o3DS.
 

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Quality over quantity.

I partially agree. I would love having 3D everywhere (I'm one of those few people who love using the 3D on the 3DS).
I don't think it's a good idea cutting out the whole o3DS userbase though, a lot of people would most likely upgrade to a n3DS (due to it being Pokemon).

They should make it n3DS enhanced, similar to Hyrule Warriors. It runs better on the n3DS and also has 3D available. 3D is not available on the o3DS.

That's exactly what I'm expecting to happen, it's not actually bad and n3DS users will have a great benefit from a superior hardware, yet we'll still face some limitation due to o3DS compatibility.

I just hope we n3DS users will be able to get a stable framerate, I'm not even asking for 60fps, if we have 30fps with no slowdowns that'll be ok, at least compared to what it is now. I also think 3D is mandatory, not that I care about 3D, but not using 3D on a machine that's been targeted especially for this is shameful.
 

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That's exactly what I'm expecting to happen, it's not actually bad and n3DS users will have a great benefit from a superior hardware, yet we'll still face some limitation due to o3DS compatibility.

I just hope we n3DS users will be able to get a stable framerate, I'm not even asking for 60fps, if we have 30fps with no slowdowns that'll be ok, at least compared to what it is now. I also think 3D is mandatory, not that I care about 3D, but not using 3D on a machine that's been targeted especially for this is shameful.
Yeah, it wouldn't be fair if they don't deliver to the n3DS users. A lot of people probably upgraded from the o3DS, so they gave Nintendo money twice.

We expect to get some exclusive stuff, or at least things that make use of the superior hardware.
 

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Speaking of SNES games, these are some games I'd like to see on SNES VC:

Battletoads in Battlemaniacs
Megaman X, X2 and X3
Mickey Magiacal Quest 1, 2 and 3
Aladin
Zombies Ate my Neighboors
Goof Troop
Super Mario All-Stars
The Lost Vikings 1 and 2
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turttles
Goemon
Mighty Morphin Power Rangers
Mighty Morphin Power Rangers - The Movie
Earthworm Jim 2(One is already available as a DSiWare title)
Sunset Riders
Top Gear 1, 2 and 3000
Rock n' Roll Racing
Super castlevania IV
Blackthorne
Super Bomberman titles(especially 3 and 5)
Killer Instinct(Though it won't happen because RARE is now owned by M$)
Super Ghouls n' Ghosts
King of Dragons
 
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