Nintendo estimates it lost $975m worldwide in 2007

[science]

We can't forget about the people who pirate and buy though

 

[Rayder]

I estimate that I lost $0 since I wised-up and bought flash carts.

on Nintendo.

Regardless of the nearly $1 billion the "say" they lost to piracy, they are still making money hand-over-fist, so I don't want to hear it.

 

[Gman 101]

In Australia, we pay on average $70AU (around $64US) for each DS game (crappy DS games are $50-$60). Now that some Australians are realising more and more the reality of flash carts, people are now flocking to download these games. Many many Aussies (including me) think it's outrageous that we have to pay so much more than Americans and people from other parts of the world. Our last hope of getting cheap games online was stopped when Steam raised the prices of its games

In short, Nintendo's still makin' da money, so what've they got to complain about? Make games cheap and we'll willingly hand you over our cash.

 

[r1cky]

In Australia, we pay up to $70AU (around $64US) for each DS game. Now that some Australians are realising more and more the reality of flash carts, people are now flocking to download these games. Many many Aussies (including me) think it's outrageous that we have to pay so much more than Americans and people from other parts of the world. Our last hope of getting cheap games online was stopped when Steam raised the prices of its games

In short, Nintendo's still makin' da money, so what've they got to complain about? Make games cheap and we'll willingly hand you over our cash.

Seconded. Honestly Nintendo. Get your act together.

 

[NekoDS]

Nintendo should worry more about releasing games in PAL territories more quickly instead of making up lame, mildly threatening propaganda, sorry but I don't feel like waiting 9 months after a game has been released in the US, then having to pay £30 for it.

 

[Gman 101]

Nintendo should worry more about releasing games in PAL territories more quickly instead of making up lame, mildly threatening propaganda, sorry but I don't feel like waiting 9 months after a game has been released in the US, then having to pay £30 for it.

Same applies here too. Except we get it later than you. Unfortunately for England, your game prices are even higher than ours but not by a large margin (well last time I checked was 3 years ago... in a GAME store)

 

[Kaos]

In Australia, we pay on average $70AU (around $64US) for each DS game (crappy DS games are $50-$60). Now that some Australians are realising more and more the reality of flash carts, people are now flocking to download these games. Many many Aussies (including me) think it's outrageous that we have to pay so much more than Americans and people from other parts of the world. Our last hope of getting cheap games online was stopped when Steam raised the prices of its games

In short, Nintendo's still makin' da money, so what've they got to complain about? Make games cheap and we'll willingly hand you over our cash.

Not to mention the fact that we get royally shafted when it comes to release dates.

EXAMPLES:
Advance Wars: Days of Ruin: US: 21/1 UK: 25/1 AUS: 23/2
That's practically a one month difference.

Then you have the third Phoenix Wright game, which has been out in America for about 6 months with the fourth one coming very soon, yet Australia doesn't have the third yet.

And we do get shafted on prices as well.

Wake up, Nintendo of Australia. Wake. The. F***. Up. This is why people are turning to flashcarts.

 

[NekoDS]

Nintendo should worry more about releasing games in PAL territories more quickly instead of making up lame, mildly threatening propaganda, sorry but I don't feel like waiting 9 months after a game has been released in the US, then having to pay £30 for it.


Same applies here too. Except we get it later than you. Unfortunately for England, your game prices are even higher than ours but not by a large margin (well last time I checked was 3 years ago... in a GAME store)

The pricing is just stupid really, it was the same with GBA titles, Sonic Advance for £35? In every shop I went into, the price was exactly that for 3 whole years.

Again sorry Nintendo but I'm not spending £30 on a DS game that will last me 6 - 10 hours when I can walk out a shop with 6 PS2/Xbox games for £30.

 

[Gman 101]

Not to mention the fact that we get royally shafted when it comes to release dates.

EXAMPLES:
Advance Wars: Days of Ruin: US: 21/1  UK: 25/1  AUS: 23/2
That's practically a one month difference.

Then you have the third Phoenix Wright game, which has been out in America for about 6 months with the fourth one coming very soon, yet Australia doesn't have the third yet.

And we do get shafted on prices as well.

Wake up, Nintendo of Australia. Wake. The. F***. Up. This is why people are turning to flashcarts.

lol I downloaded Days of Ruin the day the rom came out and I'm laughing at all the noobs in my school who still don't have an R4. All my friends have an R4. We're all the smart people too

Seriously though, I remember waiting eagerly for the release of Kirby and the Amazing Mirror on the GBA only to find out it'd never come to Australia... had to get it from Hong Kong instead :\

This piracy stuff is more rampant on PC though. The reason PC games are WAAAY cheaper in Hong Kong is to stop people from pirating the game (one example being Orange Box, which was $250HK whereas it was $100AU in Australia. Steam was stupid and put region coding on Orange Box so Australian users couldn't register the game onto their accounts back in Australia. Luckily I registered it back in Hong Kong). In Hong Kong with its ridiculously cheap internet with high speeds (comparing to Australia here 'cos our net's a hole), everyone pretty much pirates everything. EVERY person in Hong Kong had an R4. EVERYONE! I did NOT see ONE single person in Hong Kong with an official game card (and I saw HUNDREDS of DS's in Hong Kong)...

Well all I can say is that Nintendo's gotta rethink its method of selling, the way it discriminates other countries and definitely the pricing of it all.

Down with greedy corporations!

(unless they repent and give out complimentary free games and really really really cheap games)

 

[OSW]

I don't think they're taking into consideration that the people who pirated those games wouldn't have bought them in the first place. I'm speaking mainly about those in China, South America, Korea, etc.

exactly what i was about to respond with.

they didn't exactly "lose" this money, rather they were prevented from "gaining it".

 

[TheStump]

I have to agree, Australia gets shafted when it comes to Nintendo related stuff.

*shitty release dates
*Overpriced games
*No Nintendo benefits like what the Nintendo Euro stars system.
*Game RRP RARELY drop.

We pretty much get the shit end of the stick every time (with the odd early release...very odd).
And the thing is i gladly pay for games if they were priced similar to US prices, and released within a week of the other regions.

 

[Kingwad]

Nintendo can't do much with DS now. Adding more protection might cause compatibility issues.

At least GBA had games with things like the tilt sensor, solar sensor, card scanner, etc that don't function exactly as intended in most flash carts since they lack their custom hardware.

I don't think any flash cart ever had eReader card scanning support!

They might be able to add something into new carts that makes it impossible to dump or something?

Nintendo did more to prevent piracy on the DS than their previous handhelds. They required the game to be signed with a public key. The entire cart is encrypted. The biggest problem is that that the DS firmware doesn't get udates. The current dumping methods use the DS firmware's own decryption function to dump. To come out with a new decryption method, or new signing keys, may cause incompatibility problems with the old DSs, or be useless because the patch would have to come with a cart, and the patch would have to be signed with the old keys... but even firmware updates haven't stopped the PSP piracy.

 

[saulin]

Lost all that money eh?

Mmm wasn't the DS just sold out recently once again last month? Also wasn't the Wii sold out as well for a while or is it still sold out?

Come on! Not every single person that bought the consoles pirate the games. The DS and Wii are extremely popular and the fact that they sold out means that lots of people buy the games too since the consoles need games.

If anything I think Nintendo is making more money than Microsoft or Sony in consoles and games.

 

[adgloride]

Nintendo take ages to release some of the games in Europe. Then wonder why people download. I can name maybe 20 games I would have actually bought on the DS. On the wii probably 2 games.

 

[mikagami]

Late releases and disagreements with company ethics do not justify piracy. Why do people insist on trying to sugarcoat their illegal activities?

 

[Searinox]

Hmm... ah well you can't win them all. Hehe...

 

[Sinkhead]

Late releases and disagreements with company ethics do not justify piracy. Why do people insist on trying to sugarcoat their illegal activities?

We're not... I pirate games, there's no doubt about that. The reason I do it is because I disagree with company ethics.

 

[pasc]

Well, Nintendo may still make money but the poor 3rd and 2nd party developer are the real dissed ones, they have no way to make money when we all pirate their games, just think of Dementium the ward...

 

[JamieA119]

A lot of Nintendo DS games, as with the gamecube, are hard to find. They're even hard to find on the internet.

When you do find one though, they're usually ~£30 PRE-OWNED.

 

[nando]

I don't think they're taking into consideration that the people who pirated those games wouldn't have bought them in the first place. I'm speaking mainly about those in China, South America, Korea, etc.

they never never seem to realize that a game not pirated =/= a game sold.


when are they gonna attack used game sales? i own a ton of games but only like 5 of them i bought in a retail store. the rest i got used locally. don't they lose more money that way?