New protection on DS carts

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  1. serg0

    serg0 GBAtemp Regular

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    I just hope this is fixed by when pokemon is released [​IMG]
     
  2. kev3458

    kev3458 GBAtemp Regular

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  3. Relys

    Relys Master of Computer Science

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    He sounded just like the underpants gnomes on a south park epp.

    "First we colect under pants.
    ....
    Second ???
    ....
    Third Profit.
    .....
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    Cartman says "What's the second step, how are you going to make a profit".
    All the little gnomes next to a huge pile of underpants says "......."

    Or somthing like that.

    My point, is that there is no point.
     
  4. cory1492

    cory1492 GBAtemp Maniac

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    I'm pretty sure it's not some "new fangled protection", probably just some setting that was overlooked like the latency in 1.5/earlier MX chip based games. Or they were simply taking some tips from some of the new slot 1 cards and not properly restarting the cart after a reset (leaving the header unreadable and the rest of the card in a scrambled state). fwnitro or an LPT dumper would probably have no problems with it, since neither require a reset on an active DS.

    Once it's dumped (in full? wrg did dump something, didn't they?), I have no doubt that existing flash carts will be able to use it. Perhaps a patch or kernel update would be all that is needed.
    At a guess: because the "new chip" is cheaper to produce in mass quantities. They generally use MX chips in games they expect to sell alot of, it makes them more money in the long run (it'd cost more to setup production of MX chips for limited runs than with the other brand, but in larger quantities it'd be cheaper to use MX).
     
  5. leetdude_007

    leetdude_007 Official GBAtemp Assassin That Has Never Killed An

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    What are the specifications of the game cartridges? I can't find any info on it. If anybody can help, I may also be able to find out if they can expand beyond 128 MBytes (1024 MBits) when I get a lead..

    IT's Macronix, they are big providers for Wii Mask ROM, what else? What exactly is the chip? What kind of solid state memory is it?
     
  6. adgloride

    adgloride Its A Wii Wario

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    Since Nintendo is on the forums spying on us. Whens are we going to be able to play wii games online over wifi?
     
  7. Opium

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    This might not be anything too major. For now it's still isolated to Jet Impulse. I guess we'll wait and see what happens.

    Although I am a little annoyed by all the people constantly saying "oh yeah I'm sure we can break the protection. It's just another hurdle I'm sure it will be done soon." If you're not going to do anything about it yourself please don't imply that everything will be done for you [​IMG]
     
  8. Noobix

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    It's the end of the World as we know it!!! [​IMG]

    I'm gonna go out playing. [​IMG]
     
  9. phoood

    phoood taking it to a whole new level.

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    I've got a great idea!
    Play outside!

    Been looking for a nice flight simulator-ish game on the DS. Top Gun just isn't good enough.
     
  10. skullstatue

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    I wouldn't worry about this too much. Not because people will find a way around it, but because it will hurt Nintendo worst than letting flash card users pirate their software. Really, consider how much it costs to install this little tiny chip on a game. Have you guys ever met any other flash cart users in real life? I haven't. Nope, I don't believe very many people even know what a flash cart is (or at least the people I've talked to didn't). I don't really see the point of Nintendo even attempting to put dumping protection on their games, I bought a DS. Great, that's better than not buying a DS right? Really, I don't think they will ever start using this bull.
     
  11. modshroom128

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    yes it was... just like the music in keygenerators...

    loud repetative techno...

    mmmm... i love loud repetative techno...
    (infact thats the only reason why i download key generators and cracks to programs, because of the music... lol)
     
  12. Verocity

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    oh yeah and Zelda too? Not that funny now huh? [​IMG]
     
  13. Swordmyth

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    Oh gawd say it aint so!
     
  14. dice

    dice pansy-ass ex-staff member

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    it aint so!
     
  15. Verocity

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    Hackers will never be showed up, I mean come on guys. Vistas been done CS2 has been done, I don't think anything can get in these type of peoples way. Theyll figure it out, it might have been a bad cart made at the manufacture.
     
  16. Wishmaster

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    Remember Final Fantasy 8?
     
  17. moshii

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    Well... I've been saying this for weeks. [​IMG]

    The chips in that cart are normal .. mask rom and an eeprom for data storage. Seems the WRG dumper isn't finding some reference points that it expects, maybe Nintendo have added a second encrypted section to the rom layout.

    /me wonders if this thing uses a loader that checks the cart timings to detect flashcarts..
     
  18. moshii

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    Like they already do? That little chip is the eeprom used for save games duh. N.B. The Nintendo SDK ships with libraries for a shit load of different save methods, which use different tiny chips, your flashcards software/firmware magically patches those libraries to save on it's media..
     
  19. Zwergner

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  20. imgod22222

    imgod22222 GBAtemp's Original No-faced Member

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    :S I know what you mean, Opium, but maybe they're we as in "we, the community" not we as in "we, where i actually do something because i just take things for granted"
    But I feel and hope that the community will overcome this, if this gets implemented in further games.
     
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