Gaming New or fake? "Leaked" redesgin of the NDS.

[Joe88]

lulz

its fake, you can see the GBA SP in there with some junk thrown in on the side

 

[Eternal Myst]

No you meant opinion.

What is an opinion?
An opinion is a person's ideas and thoughts towards something. It is an assessment, judgment or evaluation of something. An opinion is not a fact, because opinions are either not falsifiable, or the opinion has not been proven or verified. If it later becomes proven or verified, it is no longer an opinion, but a fact.

Your opinion is wrong.

I know what an opinion is boy sonny jim laddy boy! Im just trying to lighten the mood around here

Well apparently you don't.An opinion can't be wrong.Neither my opinion or you opinion is fact.We have different views.

 

[Pyrofyr]

<!--quoteo(post=1164333:date=May 23 2008, 07:44 PM:name=MADKATZ99)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MADKATZ99 @ May 23 2008, 07:44 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1164333"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=1164018:date=May 24 2008, 05:43 AM:name=kais)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(kais @ May 24 2008, 05:43 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1164018"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" /> <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rofl2.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="rofl2.gif" /> <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rofl2.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="rofl2.gif" /> Thats why sales for the PSP are coming to a complete stop,and the Wii is for old-time and new gamers.It has mario and stuff not PGR and halo 3.People will disagree that MK for the Wii sucked it was a great game. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" />

So what if it was easier on the eyes.I prefer the "TOUCH GENERATION" more than graphics.What nintendo has done best is make games funner with simple graphics.The Wii wasn't meant for shooters or Racing games,there are some toleration with them like"REDSTEEL" this game proved that the wii wasn't meant for shooters.

The DS isn't outdated it still is selling very good.If it sells a little more it will become the second best-selling console,but first will remain the PS2,and the PS2 as we all know is an amazing console.

"Should have known better to badmouth" did I insult you. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />
If I did my apologies I did not mean to call you a retard,but just meant to say that the DS isn't outdated,nor will it be.Wait another 2-3 years and it will be last generation,but games are stull flying out.Ash,FF-A2,So many others that will soon be released,and yet to be made.
<img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/yaynds.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":yayds:" border="0" alt="yaynds.gif" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->'good' not great <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" /> Im not one to care for ratings, but for somthing to be great for me, it has to get atleast a 9/10

I used to think that a game didnt need great graphics to make it any good aswell, then I reached a stage in my life where I realised the game im playing looked plain ugly (unplayable), and we're living in 2008!! If you like all that touch screen nonsence, go for your life..

If anything, the wii WAS meant for shooters... I dont mean to argue, but the IR thing in the remote basically is only good for shooters.. I could never go back to analogue after playing a shooting game with that remote. and MoH:H2 did a great job of that. Most games that use the dodgy IR and motion controls are for pointless things where buttons would work better/easier, but they think their games going to sell better when they implement motion controls that no one likes? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wacko.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="wacko.gif" />

Just because somthing is still selling well doesnt mean its not outdated... I know nintendo would be stupid do make another one when their current one is selling so well.. But thats not the point I was arguing. The only reason nintendo's are selling well is because theres so many kids in the world, and a lot of parents buy them for their kids because the PS3 and 360 dont have many 'kiddy' games like the wii has. I cant see many adults making the choice of a wii over a 360 for themselfs, only becuase the games like mario (which sucked IMO) didnt appeal to them.. And theres less adults with the spare cash for a 360 than there is for parents with spoiled kids.

thats my view on the situation..

You didnt affend me by calling me a retart over an internet forum for thinking a 4 year old system was outdated >_> Its going to take more than that.. I just cant believe how hurtful people are around here when a guy trys to express his opinion... <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cry.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="cry.gif" />

Oh, did I say opinion?.. I meant fact <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />
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Oh, this will be fun.
It's not about you, it's about him. Also, so you know, adding in numbers like '9/10' is also speculation, and therefore, an opinion, considering this, his great and your great, are entirely different things.

Wait until you reach the stage in your life where you realize that the games you're playing (since you'll be a sony/microsoft fanboy by then) lack any new gameplay features at all, and you're simply playing with an upgraded NES controller in guess what? 2008+ <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" />
When you decide to grow up and come to the future, realize that skill and precision is about more than tapping buttons, it's about innovation, and that's what Nintendo is. It's hard not to be a Nintendo fanboy AND a gamer at the same time. The reason is simply that Nintendo has single-handedly brought every innovation to the business ITSELF, while other companies just come in, update graphics, make things beefier, get it done by poor kids in other countries for cheaper, so that they can sell it at a decent price. That's all there is to those shitty alternative stations.

Buttons are 'decent', but you need REAL skill to be able to control it all with your wrist among other things. You're going from having a binary input (Pressed or not pressed) to being able to have the most variations in movement from a single thing as possible, whereas a flick of your wrist in a SLIGHTLY different direction can be monumental, or a slight jut at the end, or even a shake. While still guess what? Keeping buttons in. Oh, and I also have to seriously state that while many early Wii games basically rode on the tail of innovation, making it almost sickening to some extent, it has evened out, and most games use a mix of both, look at brawl. I've played many games that use this new way of doing things in a VERY nice and innovative manner. If buttons are easier, then I'd say somewhere in there you are contradicting yourself since these 'adult' games are meant to be harder right?

If it's selling well, it's not outdated. Oh, and don't be so non-chalant, DS isn't seling 'well', it's selling 'GREAT', and THAT my good sir, is a FACT. They're barely making them as fast as they're being sold. Look at the demographics.

Kiddy games? Don't make me scoff I'm 18 and I have a goddamn Wii because it's GREAT. Almost everyone I know with a Wii is at least 20, and most people I know under 18 don't have them unless they're in High School and most of them were seniors. Most KIDS I know I have Xboxes.
Oh, and let me tell you something about these 'kiddy' games. A game doesn't need gore to be good, and it doesn't need sex, Nintendo set out to prove that (In my mind anyhow), they've created almost every mascot of the gaming industry and they did it without having to resort to cheap gimmicks such as appealing to blood lust and sex appeal (What DOESN'T use sex appeal to real people in? Look at yourself with a straight face and tell yourself that gaming doesn't do the same with blood."

I would ALSO like to state, that games like Mario, Zelda, Sonic, Kirby, Donkey Kong, Metroid, etc are all games that you need SKILL to beat. This doesn't mean that they have to be gore filled and realistic, but this also means that you can play with children around, and play WITH children even. That's just a single bonus. To be honest, I'd prefer to play games with less gore and stuff unless it's apprioriate (Trauma Center anyone?).

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What is an opinion?
An opinion is a person's ideas and thoughts towards something. It is an assessment, judgment or evaluation of something. An opinion is not a fact, because opinions are either not falsifiable, or the opinion has not been proven or verified. If it later becomes proven or verified, it is no longer an opinion, but a fact.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
An opinion is never a fact, it is an opinion, as you stated at first in your almost perfectly 'from the dictionary' quote.

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That very well could be a copy-picture of a GBA SP, but even if it was (which I doubt it), so what? O.o;

It's obviously fake for other reasons (like being made by some dude who had it on his blog)
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Although it says "DT (Closed)", it says "DS (Open)"

It uses microSD, Nintendo would never do this unless they were also trying to offer some alternative way of doing things. They know however that this would make pirating MUCH easier, and I'd have to say DS is one of the most pirated systems, with so many professional flashcarts out, easy to use, and almost everyone with a DS has one. It's rare I run into a person who actually buys games.

There is no need for a DS to have Bluetooth, they use ADHOC, and connecting with things is so not-Nintendo style.

USB? Nintendo makes their systems for as low a cost as possible, (probably why Wii was so weak in power, because they're budget went towards other things) They wouldn't go with both USB 'and' microSD, and even then they would only use ONE USB slot.

There's no difference in DS/DT cards. As far as their recent trend Pocket->GBC->GBA->DS goes, both the media and the console have shrunk.

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Although I believe that there is no way in hell THIS is it, I do believe that Nintendo has something in store that will make all of our flashcarts useless AND bring about a new Nintendo DS that everyone will buy:
<a href="http://play.tm/wire/click/1842878" target="_blank">http://play.tm/wire/click/1842878</a>
Whether or not they will actually be revealing anything is yet to be seen, but hey guys, only 2 months away.


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As far as my own predictions go, this how I believe it will be:
Nintendo will release a new Nintendo DS version (perhaps a micro-sort of thing, perhaps a bit faster, longer life, than the DS)
Around 2010~2012 Nintendo will release a handheld gaming station altogether, that will most likely
A)Have a download system similar to the Wii's
B)Have satellite support rather than WiFi support (The reasons for this are monumentally obvious, since it allows them to delve STRAIGHT INTO the online game world (MMORPGS!!!) to make the maximum amount of income)
C)Be powerful enough yet compact enough to handle most standard things, I'd say it would be approximately 4~8 times as powerful as the DS.

These are simply my predictions though, as far as it goes now, it seems that Nintendo doesn't have much to lose by riding out on the DS, perhaps bringing in a new surge and riding that final wave of handheld gamers for the DS generation by making a final console.

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Another thing to consider when wondering if something will come out this year or not is the time-line:
Game Boy - 1989
Play It Loud! - 1995 (Basically Game Boys in colored packs)
Game Boy Pocket - 1996
Game Boy Light - 1997 (Japan Only)
Game Boy Color - 1998
Game Boy Advance - 2001 (GBA should be considered a seperate 'line' but I'll count it as one)
Game Boy Advance SP - 2003
Nintendo DS - 2004
Game Boy Micro - 2005
Nintendo DS Lite - 2006

To recap, the current timeline is something like this (In order of years waiting before something new comes out)
6 1 1 1 3 2 1 1 1

Newer versions that were only slightly changed were more inclined to happen in 1~2 year intervals
GB->PIL 6; Pocket->Light 1 ; DS->DS Lite 2 (GB was first handheld, not so good to use as a base for anything)
Complete redesigns generally took 2~3 years
GB->GBP 7; GBP->GBC 2; GBC->GBA 3; GBA->SP 2
Innovative additions 2~3 (average)
GB->GBP 7 - Actual black/white support.
GBP->GBL 1 - Backlights
GBL->GBC 1 - Color. IR communications port
GBC->GBA 3 - Shoulder buttons
//GBA->GBA SP 2 - Backlights (Doesn't count since they already had these, but took them off for the GBA)
GBA->NDS 3 - <strike>Smaller media</strike>, touchscreen, dual screens, WiFi.
NDS->??? 4+ - We are still waiting on the next handheld console ;]


As I'd predict based on these, we'll either be seeing a beefed (Almost every advance) or SIGNIFICANTLY SMALLER(Think SP or Micro) NDS version, or we can be expecting an entirely new gaming system in 1~2 years, considering that's when they'll begin to decline in sales.

 

[MADKATZ99]

Well apparently you don't.An opinion can't be wrong.Neither my opinion or you opinion is fact.We have different views.

Its a frigging joke! Everyone knows an opinion cant be wrong

If it's selling well, it's not outdated.
that makes no sence. If there is better technology than the one currently being used, the hardware is basically dated.
QUOTE(Pyrofyr @ May 26 2008, 04:44 PM)

A game doesn't need gore to be good, and it doesn't need sex,

Wha???

what games do you enjoy playing on your wii?

I dont think most games take skill to beat at all.. just A LOT of spare time. They make games pretty easy to beat, if they didnt no one would buy them. Theres definatley exeptions though, theres some very hard games out there, but generally kids games like mario they made so a 10 year old could beat

 

[Chief_Second]

Nintendo had few design concepts that "leaked" (or were officially released, I don't know)..There were few pictures, and this concept was among them..They were discussed many times, and it is known that all of it was fake (meaning, it'll never be made, it was more of an idea for redesign)..
So this video isn't "real" too..

And about concept..it is a great idea to make it that small, but think about opening this 5 times a day and 360 times a year..You think it wouldn't become loose?! There are too many moving parts..however, concept is great (but not dooable)..

like this one?

 

[Eternal Myst]

Well apparently you don't.An opinion can't be wrong.Neither my opinion or you opinion is fact.We have different views.

Its a frigging joke! Everyone knows an opinion cant be wrong

If it's selling well, it's not outdated.
that makes no sence. If there is better technology than the one currently being used, the hardware is basically dated.
QUOTE(Pyrofyr @ May 26 2008, 04:44 PM)

A game doesn't need gore to be good, and it doesn't need sex,

Wha???

what games do you enjoy playing on your wii?

I dont think most games take skill to beat at all.. just A LOT of spare time. They make games pretty easy to beat, if they didnt no one would buy them. Theres definatley exeptions though, theres some very hard games out there, but generally kids games like mario they made so a 10 year old could beat

Well I don't care about anything thats written above,but I beg to differ.

Metroid Prim Corruption-Veteran isn' difficult,but isn't easy
Super Mario Galaxy-The beginning is easy,but later in the game it gets rather difficult.
Legend of Zelda twilight princess is easy,but I don; see a 10 year old completing it.

What games on other consoles are hard.I have a xbox 360,and most games for it are rather easy.
A game doesn't need gorre,and blood to be good.Even though games like Gears are half bad.

 

[Pyrofyr]

Well apparently you don't.An opinion can't be wrong.Neither my opinion or you opinion is fact.We have different views.

Its a frigging joke! Everyone knows an opinion cant be wrong

If it's selling well, it's not outdated.
that makes no sence. If there is better technology than the one currently being used, the hardware is basically dated.

A game doesn't need gore to be good, and it doesn't need sex,

Wha???

what games do you enjoy playing on your wii?

I dont think most games take skill to beat at all.. just A LOT of spare time. They make games pretty easy to beat, if they didnt no one would buy them. Theres definatley exeptions though, theres some very hard games out there, but generally kids games like mario they made so a 10 year old could beat

1)Jokes don't belong mixed with serious discussion, and so you know, unless you're generally known as a sarcastic fellow, or you mark it as so, it is not so simple to detect sarcasm from pure stupidity on the internet, seeing as stupidity is so much more abudant here.

2)My point being that almost every good Sony/Microsoft game that sells, has gore(blood, etc) or sex(hookers, high sexual tension, etc) as their main focus, or as a good deal of the advertising. Most people are brought into games because of this. What's the most popular thing on the Xbox? Halo, right. An FPS, violence/gore. Just as well as most of the other games they have. Pick up a magazine, first thing you'll realize is almost every PS3/360 game being advertised is FULL of gore/sex, and they abuse it as a selling point.

IT's very VERY VERY hard to compete with gore/sex because it's two of the things that most human adults crave the most, they can't get enough of their fix for gore and/or sex.

There are many games that aren't so 'easy' to beat, the problem is that these games are generally tossed aside. Regardless, Nintendo has released many. Ever heard of Game Center CX? ;] (You should have, Nintendo even released a game based on it) In the show, the man plays the hardest video games ever, and doesn't stop until he's actually finished with them, it makes for quite a good show actually.

QUOTE(Eternal Myst @ May 26 2008, 03:43 AM)

Well I don't care about anything thats written above,but I beg to differ.

Metroid Prim Corruption-Veteran isn' difficult,but isn't easy
Super Mario Galaxy-The beginning is easy,but later in the game it gets rather difficult.
Legend of Zelda twilight princess is easy,but I don; see a 10 year old completing it.

What games on other consoles are hard.I have a xbox 360,and most games for it are rather easy.
A game doesn't need gorre,and blood to be good.Even though games like Gears are half bad.

To be honest, I don't own many Wii games, so I can't say many are 'hard' except the music ones, but for some reason I suck at most of those games, despite the fact that I know some guitar and was in chorus for years (As a lead).
Brawl can be hard depending on how you look at it though, besides that I may own a few games, but don't play many.

I will say that Nintendo has some games that are more difficult than other systems though .Most of my points however are in older systems (NES, SNES, Game Boy), mostly because those are the games I play.

I also have to say, that it is indeed true that almost every game that is hard can be easy as long as you have the time, but what I count as difficult mainly has to do with the minimum time and how simple it is to come as close to it as possib le in a percentage based way, now in order to run this sort of study, we would need several people to play most of the hard games, and we'd need bots to run a minimalist version of the game. In doing this, we would know what games are the hardest.

I'll go farther to say that as far as challenges go, Nintendo games are more brain-stimulating than others I've played. Although I will say that I found the MUCH OVERLOOKED "Azurik" to be one of the best and most stimulating games I've played in a long time. I was quite young at that time (11?), but I got through most of it (eventually my friend sold it grrr...)

I've actually considered getting an Xbox (Classic) just for that game, if I can find it... -sigh-

 

[MADKATZ99]

Metroid Prim Corruption-Veteran isn' difficult,but isn't easy
Super Mario Galaxy-The beginning is easy,but later in the game it gets rather difficult.
Legend of Zelda twilight princess is easy,but I don; see a 10 year old completing it.

What games on other consoles are hard.I have a xbox 360,and most games for it are rather easy.
A game doesn't need gorre,and blood to be good.Even though games like Gears are half bad.
I wouldnt know about metroid, im really not a fan of it.
I heard galaxy was wayy to easy. I got upto 50 stars before I got bored of it, and all of those stars led you pretty much straight to the star... Theres some challanging things in there for sure, but nothing really standing out in the hard category that i've seen. Zelda was a huge game... I think we can agree the boss battles wern't too hard at all, people actually complained they were too easy... but I sure had a hard time with that game. The hardest thing IMO is wondering where to go!!! Why are we talking about hard games for? games dont need to be hard to be fun..

lol, I never said a game needed gore to be good... dont know why anyone got that idea. But it does enhance the experience

Come on, who doesnt like blasting zombies heads off in RE4?

1)Jokes don't belong mixed with serious discussion, and so you know, unless you're generally known as a sarcastic fellow, or you mark it as so, it is not so simple to detect sarcasm from pure stupidity on the internet, seeing as stupidity is so much more abudant here.

You wrote the rules where jokes do and dont belong?

I had no idea!
Sorry I forgot the internet was serious bussiness

QUOTE(Pyrofyr @ May 26 2008, 06:06 PM)

2)My point being that almost every good Sony/Microsoft game that sells, has gore(blood, etc) or sex(hookers, high sexual tension, etc) as their main focus, or as a good deal of the advertising. Most people are brought into games because of this.

What can I say? Sex sells

Im glad we could have this discussion, and can all agree... the DS is outdated

My work here is done!!!

 

[Eternal Myst]

Nintendo had few design concepts that "leaked" (or were officially released, I don't know)..There were few pictures, and this concept was among them..They were discussed many times, and it is known that all of it was fake (meaning, it'll never be made, it was more of an idea for redesign)..
So this video isn't "real" too..

And about concept..it is a great idea to make it that small, but think about opening this 5 times a day and 360 times a year..You think it wouldn't become loose?! There are too many moving parts..however, concept is great (but not dooable)..

like this one?

This thing has no touchscreen....I repeat this thing has no fucking touch screen.

 

[Pyrofyr]

Metroid Prim Corruption-Veteran isn' difficult,but isn't easy
Super Mario Galaxy-The beginning is easy,but later in the game it gets rather difficult.
Legend of Zelda twilight princess is easy,but I don; see a 10 year old completing it.

What games on other consoles are hard.I have a xbox 360,and most games for it are rather easy.
A game doesn't need gorre,and blood to be good.Even though games like Gears are half bad.
I wouldnt know about metroid, im really not a fan of it.
I heard galaxy was wayy to easy. I got upto 50 stars before I got bored of it, and all of those stars led you pretty much straight to the star... Theres some challanging things in there for sure, but nothing really standing out in the hard category that i've seen. Zelda was a huge game... I think we can agree the boss battles wern't too hard at all, people actually complained they were too easy... but I sure had a hard time with that game. The hardest thing IMO is wondering where to go!!! Why are we talking about hard games for? games dont need to be hard to be fun..

lol, I never said a game needed gore to be good... dont know why anyone got that idea. But it does enhance the experience

Come on, who doesnt like blasting zombies heads off in RE4?

1)Jokes don't belong mixed with serious discussion, and so you know, unless you're generally known as a sarcastic fellow, or you mark it as so, it is not so simple to detect sarcasm from pure stupidity on the internet, seeing as stupidity is so much more abudant here.

You wrote the rules where jokes do and dont belong?

I had no idea!
Sorry I forgot the internet was serious bussiness

QUOTE(Pyrofyr @ May 26 2008, 06:06 PM)

2)My point being that almost every good Sony/Microsoft game that sells, has gore(blood, etc) or sex(hookers, high sexual tension, etc) as their main focus, or as a good deal of the advertising. Most people are brought into games because of this.

What can I say? Sex sells

Im glad we could have this discussion, and can all agree... the DS is outdated

My work here is done!!!

Later in the game it gets more challening, and only more difficult to some extent.
Zelda games were actually indeed more hard as to where to go than they were boss battles. I'd probably die 1~3 times without looking at a guide for most boss battles though. In LoZoT final battle can be a pain in the arse unless you've done it already.

As for gore, I don't.
I'll take my senseless violence in already shitted on media. Gaming is getting way too much heat from politics to have to deal with the scrutiny of violence and sex. Occasional blowing up of zombies is fun, but not in every goddamn game dude.


This is the internet, it is indeed serious business. If you don't understand, gtfo.


Sex does indeed sell, but that doesn't mean that it should be abused in such an industry to such an extent that for some systems that are barely 5 games that don't resolve their low-ratings by throwing in 'great' graphics 'sex' and 'violence.

So you know, the DS is not outadted. You know what's outdated?
The PSP, the Xbox 360, the PS3. They are all outdated.

The only 'innovative' thing they've thought up is 'SIXAXIS' which is at best decent, and MANY PS3 games use it, but the problem is that they don't use it 'well' enough. As far as I know Xbox 360, has nothing.

However, you can just look at companies and see that it's true, they're basically just beefing up standards (Beefing the hardware) and releaseing it for higher prices. They're not making any advances.

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To be honest I don't mind it that way, because when Nintendo is the company that single-handedly came out with EVERY single innovative design in the gaming industry for 50 years (They already have 20) I'll be fast to laugh.

Most consoles that take the route Sony/Microsoft do eventually die out, every notice that?
Xbox 360: 19 Million
Nintendo Wii: 24.45 Million
Play Station 3: 12.81 Million

Nintendo DS: 70.60 Million (Both Phat and Lite)
Play Station Portable: 34 Million (If you look on Wikipedia some fag messed it up on the PSP page, but nowhere else)

As you can see, well ahead of it's competitors in all fields, because ultimately people side for innovation. At first they are scared, and that's what Sony/MS were going with, that's why 360 started with such strong sales, but once enough testimony was out for the Wii as long with tried and true testers out in the open, it was an instant hit, and even now Wii's are still sold out in many areas.


In any case, the Nintendo DS is not outdated, it's not only still flying off the shelves almost as well as the Wii is, but it's more than capable of dealing with anything it's MADE to do.

What's YOUR problem in understanding this? You're comparing it in computing power to the PSP, something the DS isn't meant to do. PSP is just like most newer systems made with computing power in mind. DS is made with innovation in mind.

DS can handle DS games and GBA games, which is what it's meant to do. Most people who don't just want to emulate or just want 'graphic heavy' games ONLY get the PSP for Lumines, which thanks to it's old trick is hard to find besides the new versions. (Fine with most who get it just for that)

It's also not as easy to homebrew thanks to the rarity of lumines/people willing to give it up.

P.S. Computing power isn't what makes something 'outdated'. Outdated can be defined as "obsolete" and the Nintendo DS is FAR from that. ;] I believe almost everyone here besides you can agree with that.

 

[Eternal Myst]

Metroid Prim Corruption-Veteran isn' difficult,but isn't easy
Super Mario Galaxy-The beginning is easy,but later in the game it gets rather difficult.
Legend of Zelda twilight princess is easy,but I don; see a 10 year old completing it.

What games on other consoles are hard.I have a xbox 360,and most games for it are rather easy.
A game doesn't need gorre,and blood to be good.Even though games like Gears are half bad.
I wouldnt know about metroid, im really not a fan of it.
I heard galaxy was wayy to easy. I got upto 50 stars before I got bored of it, and all of those stars led you pretty much straight to the star... Theres some challanging things in there for sure, but nothing really standing out in the hard category that i've seen. Zelda was a huge game... I think we can agree the boss battles wern't too hard at all, people actually complained they were too easy... but I sure had a hard time with that game. The hardest thing IMO is wondering where to go!!! Why are we talking about hard games for? games dont need to be hard to be fun..

lol, I never said a game needed gore to be good... dont know why anyone got that idea. But it does enhance the experience

Come on, who doesnt like blasting zombies heads off in RE4?

1)Jokes don't belong mixed with serious discussion, and so you know, unless you're generally known as a sarcastic fellow, or you mark it as so, it is not so simple to detect sarcasm from pure stupidity on the internet, seeing as stupidity is so much more abudant here.

You wrote the rules where jokes do and dont belong?

I had no idea!
Sorry I forgot the internet was serious bussiness

QUOTE(Pyrofyr @ May 26 2008, 06:06 PM)

2)My point being that almost every good Sony/Microsoft game that sells, has gore(blood, etc) or sex(hookers, high sexual tension, etc) as their main focus, or as a good deal of the advertising. Most people are brought into games because of this.

What can I say? Sex sells

Im glad we could have this discussion, and can all agree... the DS is outdated

My work here is done!!!

Later in the game it gets more challening, and only more difficult to some extent.
Zelda games were actually indeed more hard as to where to go than they were boss battles. I'd probably die 1~3 times without looking at a guide for most boss battles though. In LoZoT final battle can be a pain in the arse unless you've done it already.

As for gore, I don't.
I'll take my senseless violence in already shitted on media. Gaming is getting way too much heat from politics to have to deal with the scrutiny of violence and sex. Occasional blowing up of zombies is fun, but not in every goddamn game dude.


This is the internet, it is indeed serious business. If you don't understand, gtfo.


Sex does indeed sell, but that doesn't mean that it should be abused in such an industry to such an extent that for some systems that are barely 5 games that don't resolve their low-ratings by throwing in 'great' graphics 'sex' and 'violence.

So you know, the DS is not outadted. You know what's outdated?
The PSP, the Xbox 360, the PS3. They are all outdated.

The only 'innovative' thing they've thought up is 'SIXAXIS' which is at best decent, and MANY PS3 games use it, but the problem is that they don't use it 'well' enough. As far as I know Xbox 360, has nothing.

However, you can just look at companies and see that it's true, they're basically just beefing up standards (Beefing the hardware) and releaseing it for higher prices. They're not making any advances.

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To be honest I don't mind it that way, because when Nintendo is the company that single-handedly came out with EVERY single innovative design in the gaming industry for 50 years (They already have 20) I'll be fast to laugh.

Most consoles that take the route Sony/Microsoft do eventually die out, every notice that?
Xbox 360: 19 Million
Nintendo Wii: 24.45 Million
Play Station 3: 12.81 Million

Nintendo DS: 70.60 Million (Both Phat and Lite)
Play Station Portable: 34 Million (If you look on Wikipedia some fag messed it up on the PSP page, but nowhere else)

As you can see, well ahead of it's competitors in all fields, because ultimately people side for innovation. At first they are scared, and that's what Sony/MS were going with, that's why 360 started with such strong sales, but once enough testimony was out for the Wii as long with tried and true testers out in the open, it was an instant hit, and even now Wii's are still sold out in many areas.


In any case, the Nintendo DS is not outdated, it's not only still flying off the shelves almost as well as the Wii is, but it's more than capable of dealing with anything it's MADE to do.

What's YOUR problem in understanding this? You're comparing it in computing power to the PSP, something the DS isn't meant to do. PSP is just like most newer systems made with computing power in mind. DS is made with innovation in mind.

DS can handle DS games and GBA games, which is what it's meant to do. Most people who don't just want to emulate or just want 'graphic heavy' games ONLY get the PSP for Lumines, which thanks to it's old trick is hard to find besides the new versions. (Fine with most who get it just for that)

It's also not as easy to homebrew thanks to the rarity of lumines/people willing to give it up.

P.S. Computing power isn't what makes something 'outdated'. Outdated can be defined as "obsolete" and the Nintendo DS is FAR from that. ;] I believe almost everyone here besides you can agree with that.

The Nintendo DS isn't outdated period.
But you are to harsh on other consoles I mean the nintendo wii,xbox 360,ps3 are all amazing consoles I don't own a ps3 but it seems pretty good.PSP is good for emulating games.The best console was the PS2 which sold the most,but yet again it has been out for 8 years.

 

[MADKATZ99]

Okay il admit 'outdated' is a bad term to use.

If they re-made the DS, I dont feel the current 'computing power' is quite up to date and meets the standards of todays technology...

"However, you can just look at companies and see that it's true, they're basically just beefing up standards (Beefing the hardware) and releaseing it for higher prices. They're not making any advances."

Sounds like your incredibly bias towards sony/microsoft...
My argument was that is cant be the real DS, because surley they cant use the same gear 4 years later. Atleast the other companys actually are beefing up hardware! Nintendo released the GBA SP, and the lite without any major advances... Its a great idea, nintendo fanboys would buy both the systems even though they play the SAME games and nintendo would make a killing off it. As awesome as a backlit screen is on the eyes, I resisted wasting money on an SP becuase im not falling for paying nintendo another hundred bucks for somthing that can do the same thing as I've allready got!
If nintendo increased the power of the DS so it wasnt 'outdated', (kind of like the GB colour) I would consider buying one. You know how some games where GB colour only? somthing like that.. so they could still make regular DS games, but also have some better looking games that dont make your eyes bleed at the terrible graphics.

I used to believe graphics over gameplay, but now I cant see how you could have decent gameplay without graphics... unless your playing some dodgy 2D 'do stupid stuff with the touchscreen' type game that Eternal Myst over here likes

 

[Eternal Myst]

Okay il admit 'outdated' is a bad term to use.

If they re-made the DS, I dont feel the current 'computing power' is quite up to date and meets the standards of todays technology...

"However, you can just look at companies and see that it's true, they're basically just beefing up standards (Beefing the hardware) and releaseing it for higher prices. They're not making any advances."

Sounds like your incredibly bias towards sony/microsoft...
My argument was that is cant be the real DS, because surley they cant use the same gear 4 years later. Atleast the other companys actually are beefing up hardware! Nintendo released the GBA SP, and the lite without any major advances... Its a great idea, nintendo fanboys would buy both the systems even though they play the SAME games and nintendo would make a killing off it. As awesome as a backlit screen is on the eyes, I resisted wasting money on an SP becuase im not falling for paying nintendo another hundred bucks for somthing that can do the same thing as I've allready got!
If nintendo increased the power of the DS so it wasnt 'outdated', (kind of like the GB colour) I would consider buying one. You know how some games where GB colour only? somthing like that.. so they could still make regular DS games, but also have some better looking games that dont make your eyes bleed at the terrible graphics.

I used to believe graphics over gameplay, but now I cant see how you could have decent gameplay without graphics... unless your playing some dodgy 2D 'do stupid stuff with the touchscreen' type game that Eternal Myst over here likes

Agreed to your long paragraph..I like playing all games with touch screen use.It's coolio.Anyways the snes may be dead,but people still play it,and better yet people make hacked games off of the originals to this day of snes games.This is proof a console may die,but it's games and classic will last.CHRONO TRIGGER!!!!Nintendo will probably come out with a portable system similiar to the DS,and make it a beefier machine.Oh and if you want to get somne great hacks use thishttp://gbatemp.net/index.php?showtopic=87680

 

[sboi]

its fake. nintendo wont leave out slot2. lets wait for e3

 

[Eternal Myst]

its fake. nintendo wont leave out slot2. lets wait for e3

.................We obviously no that it is fake.
Look how hideously designed it is.It would instantly break on purchase.
*Snap* Sinkhead I have snapped my DS.May I borrow 150$.

 

[MADKATZ99]

Agreed to your long paragraph..I like playing all games with touch screen use.It's coolio.Anyways the snes may be dead,but people still play it,and better yet people make hacked games off of the originals to this day of snes games.This is proof a console may die,but it's games and classic will last.CHRONO TRIGGER!!!!Nintendo will probably come out with a portable system similiar to the DS,and make it a beefier machine.Oh and if you want to get somne great hacks use thishttp://gbatemp.net/index.php?showtopic=87680

hell yeah the games will never die. The 64 has some of my favorite games to this day...

pyrofyr! You may be interested to know i've found a game that may just redeem the wii! Its called alone in the dark; it features the dark, guns, cars, and hopefully blood! You know its bound to be good

This ones got me sold!

 

[Pyrofyr]

Okay il admit 'outdated' is a bad term to use.

If they re-made the DS, I dont feel the current 'computing power' is quite up to date and meets the standards of todays technology...

"However, you can just look at companies and see that it's true, they're basically just beefing up standards (Beefing the hardware) and releaseing it for higher prices. They're not making any advances."

Sounds like your incredibly bias towards sony/microsoft...
My argument was that is cant be the real DS, because surley they cant use the same gear 4 years later. Atleast the other companys actually are beefing up hardware! Nintendo released the GBA SP, and the lite without any major advances... Its a great idea, nintendo fanboys would buy both the systems even though they play the SAME games and nintendo would make a killing off it. As awesome as a backlit screen is on the eyes, I resisted wasting money on an SP becuase im not falling for paying nintendo another hundred bucks for somthing that can do the same thing as I've allready got!
If nintendo increased the power of the DS so it wasnt 'outdated', (kind of like the GB colour) I would consider buying one. You know how some games where GB colour only? somthing like that.. so they could still make regular DS games, but also have some better looking games that dont make your eyes bleed at the terrible graphics.

I used to believe graphics over gameplay, but now I cant see how you could have decent gameplay without graphics... unless your playing some dodgy 2D 'do stupid stuff with the touchscreen' type game that Eternal Myst over here likes

• Computing power has nothing to do with whether something is outdated or not, the fact is it, the DS wasn't made for what we are PUSHING IT to do. It's only made to play DS games, and guess what? IT does a wonderful friggin' job at doing it.
• I am indeed incredibly bias, but it's because they're getting money to do nothing, they're not adding anything to the field, they're just making money, and they knew that that's why they went there to do it.
• No major advances? Dude, seriously, do some searching before saying things like that. The GBA SP had major advances with the first one having WAY more battery life, being CHARGABLE (instead of batteries), and the second one (GBA SP+) being backlit and being a lot stronger. The DS Lite is 21% lighter than the Nintendo DS, has 42% less volume, +150mAh on the battery, brighter screen (stronger backlights), side-loaded stylus, larger better stylus, smaller D-pad (Easier to move through), moved select/start buttons, better external connection, power slider instead of button, moved microphone, smaller processors.
  Almost nothing? I think not.
• The point is to make it BETTER without having to change the media. Yes they are SIMILAR, but they are TOTALLY different. Look at PS1/PS2, all they did was make it better and change some things. Same thing for Xbox/360. It's rare that they do a whole change around, for example N64->GameCube going from cartridge to disc. The whole point being backwards compatiblity.
• I don't understand what you're saying about the GBC to be honest, are you talking about the media or the console?
• Increasing the power? PSP battery life 4.5~7 hours. DS battery life 5~19 hours (15~19 on lowest settings). If you meant in computing power, that's something entirely different, and as I've stated, why bother with more if it's not NEEDED to play DS GAMES, what it's MEANT TO DO.
• I'll also say that although graphics that are nice can do a lot, look at games like LoZH, the graphics are more than good enough for it's purpose, still being fun. NEW Super Mario Bros, same thing, and a few others. The graphics are 'good, but they don't have to be realistic, there are many different STYLES, and it's not necessary and in some cases outright ugly to have godly realistic graphics.

Agreed to your long paragraph..I like playing all games with touch screen use.It's coolio.Anyways the snes may be dead,but people still play it,and better yet people make hacked games off of the originals to this day of snes games.This is proof a console may die,but it's games and classic will last.CHRONO TRIGGER!!!!Nintendo will probably come out with a portable system similiar to the DS,and make it a beefier machine.Oh and if you want to get somne great hacks use thishttp://gbatemp.net/index.php?showtopic=87680
To be honest, it's not outdated to that extent.
Do you know WHY consoles were so poweful back then? Because they HAD to be for the most part. Eventually they'll port them and they're small enough. Look at the Final Fantasy ports, and event he N64 port. As technology advances and so does our ways of reducing computing power usage, we end up with better ways of doing things. There are MANY Nintendo DS games that may even surpass what the SNES was capable of, and this is because they're made FOR the NDS, not the SNES or other consoles.

its fake. nintendo wont leave out slot2. lets wait for e3
Never know, again it could be some totally different Nintendo handheld, who said it has to be a DS? Although I doubt E3 will see something nwe with the way DS' are selling.

QUOTE(Eternal Myst @ May 26 2008, 05:57 AM) .................We obviously no that it is fake.
Look how hideously designed it is.It would instantly break on purchase.
*Snap* Sinkhead I have snapped my DS.May I borrow 150$.

If you mean the "Nintendo DT" I doubt it, the first one though does indeed look flimsy.
Hideously designed? Neither are, they both look friggin' great.

QUOTE(MADKATZ99 @ May 26 2008, 06:07 AM)

hell yeah the games will never die. The 64 has some of my favorite games to this day...

pyrofyr! You may be interested to know i've found a game that may just redeem the wii! Its called alone in the dark; it features the dark, guns, cars, and hopefully blood! You know its bound to be good

This ones got me sold!

Perhaps I'll check it out, I'm not sure. My birthday is next week, and I haven't told a single person what I want. :/ :S


Those linked hacked forums, were friggin' amazing. I must play them, all!

 

[MADKATZ99]

• Computing power has nothing to do with whether something is outdated or not, the fact is it, the DS wasn't made for what we are PUSHING IT to do. It's only made to play DS games, and guess what? IT does a wonderful friggin' job at doing it.

• 
  I addmitted the DS being 'outdated' was bad word choice. You know I was refering to the technology as out of date
  
  . If the DS wasnt made for it, it wouldnt be able to do it. Pretty simple. Its common sence the DS was made to play DS games, thats got nothing to do with anything!
  
  
  Obviously if I say the DS hardware is outdated, it means it cant produce modern 'todays standard' in games... But thats okay, since its still selling well it doesnt matter what it can play, people are still going to buy the games... even if the graphics/computing power is outdated
  
  
  
  Happy 19th for next week, hopefully you'll eventually ripen and grow tired of seeing graphics look worse than we seen did in 96.
  
  I want to make clear, that I like the DS, I mentioned that in my first post... but ANOTHER system getting released with the same hardware seems like nintendo are trying to milk it for all the money its worth without actually having to make any real enhancments on thier behalf...
  
  EDIT: Are the numbered and butteted points supposed to scare me?
  
  
  
  and I didnt like NSMB for some reason, and Zelda was great but I was expecing more.. when I first bought my DS, People where saying it was the same power as the N64, so I thought awesome! Becuase I love the 64, and was expecting its mario and zelda to be on par with the 64's... Zelda looked nothing like OOT, and NSMB looked nothing like super mario... I know I was wrong to think it would be the same, becuase apparently its not as good, but I went in with the expectations it would... thats what screwed me over. I still think they're pretty sweet games for the DS, but I must of just been expecting a little more from it.

 

[Pyrofyr]

• Computing power has nothing to do with whether something is outdated or not, the fact is it, the DS wasn't made for what we are PUSHING IT to do. It's only made to play DS games, and guess what? IT does a wonderful friggin' job at doing it.

• 
  I addmitted the DS being 'outdated' was bad word choice. You know I was refering to the technology as out of date
  
  . If the DS wasnt made for it, it wouldnt be able to do it. Pretty simple. Its common sence the DS was made to play DS games, thats got nothing to do with anything!
  
  
  Obviously if I say the DS hardware is outdated, it means it cant produce modern 'todays standard' in games... But thats okay, since its still selling well it doesnt matter what it can play, people are still going to buy the games... even if the graphics/computing power is outdated
  
  
  
  Happy 19th for next week, hopefully you'll eventually ripen and grow tired of seeing graphics look worse than we seen did in 96.
  
  I want to make clear, that I like the DS, I mentioned that in my first post... but ANOTHER system getting released with the same hardware seems like nintendo are trying to milk it for all the money its worth without actually having to make any real enhancments on thier behalf...
  
  EDIT: Are the numbered and butteted points supposed to scare me?
  
  
  
  and I didnt like NSMB for some reason, and Zelda was great but I was expecing more.. when I first bought my DS, People where saying it was the same power as the N64, so I thought awesome! Becuase I love the 64, and was expecting its mario and zelda to be on par with the 64's... Zelda looked nothing like OOT, and NSMB looked nothing like super mario... I know I was wrong to think it would be the same, becuase apparently its not as good, but I went in with the expectations it would... thats what screwed me over. I still think they're pretty sweet games for the DS, but I must of just been expecting a little more from it.

• 
  Nintendo has been the company setting the 'standard' in handheld games for over a decade. Sony might be stronger, but half of the reason is because again, they don't have the ability to compress as far as Nintendo does, or rather better stated is that they are too goddamn lazy to do it.
  
  Nintendo is THE most technologically advanced thing on the handheld market today (perhaps the N-Gage 2 can top it, but I don't see it happening, since it's so limited, THANKS Nokia)
  
  My actual point here, is that there is no standard, the standard is set by what the system itself needs to play, and in this case it's DS games, which it does a damn fine job of doing. Not only that, but it's cheaper for them to make it, and thus cheaper for us (compare with sony). What exactly are you comparing it with to say that it doesn't live up to today's standards, because there is no actual standard, and that's for the most part probably where we're having friction here.
  
  Also the bullets were for my sake to keep it listed even though it's so friggin' large (the second or third point :S)
  
  People probably said that because of the port (SM64 DS), and you must admit that because of this you can say that it can be JUST AS powerful.
  
  You also have to consider that handhelds even if they could hold that much power and be as strong as say an N64, would probably eat the shit out of battery life, and due to this, simply suck raw eggs. As can be seen, Nintendo DS is CAPABLE of playing some 64 games (If ported), but the complex ways that they'd have to go about getting it to work would simply drain the crap out of the battery (Look at NeoDS the NeoGeo emulator, it drains battery life like crazy because of it's work arounds for dealing with NeoGeo games...), any of those games could EASILY be ported into code and run on a Nintendo DS easily as hell, there are many games with those kinds of graphics or perhaps better.
  
  
  The problem that people don't necessarily understand is that emulation power and raw power are 2 completely different things, for example it would generally take a console of 2x~8x (Different sources say different things, it's broad) the power to EMULATE the first one, whereas it would only take one of 1x to simply run games from it.
  
  Another thing you REALLY REALLY have to take into account is the fact that there is a LARGE difference between handhelds and consoles, and attempting to compare or mix them (see: PSP) ends up in what's not so great: a power driven, battery draining, large and chunky, handheld.

 

[MADKATZ99]

I guess its just personal preference... Some people like me would sacrifice the slim look for a meatier build in exchange of some more horse power. To me 'todays standard' of technology isnt somthing that was released 4 years ago. Thats what im trying to get at...