Neo-Nazi Group "Atomwaffen Division" Linked to 3 High-Profile Murders in US

TotalInsanity4

GBAtemp Supreme Overlord
OP
Member
Joined
Dec 1, 2014
Messages
10,806
Trophies
0
Location
Under a rock
XP
9,803
Country
United States
2477cb8187bf4b98573664f37d1431cebd08afb517d2f3333e77ef657b3d221f.jpg

An extremist hate group known as the "Atomwaffen Division" have now been linked with 5 murder cases, at least three of which made national news. The group's philosophy is to bring a new wave of fascism to America, with violent, physical activism being their preferred (and only) modus operandi. As their actions are politically motivated, they can officially be classified as a terror group consisting of at least 80 members known nationwide, of which at least a portion are capable of building explosive devices.

:arrow: Source

So uh... yeah... what are your thoughts? I'm in the US and I'm quite frankly more disappointed than anything, though I say that from the relative comfort of my small rural Iowan community.
 
Last edited by TotalInsanity4,

Xzi

Elden Lord
Member
Joined
Dec 26, 2013
Messages
15,110
Trophies
2
Location
The Lands Between
Website
gbatemp.net
XP
6,297
Country
United States
Last edited by Xzi,

TotalInsanity4

GBAtemp Supreme Overlord
OP
Member
Joined
Dec 1, 2014
Messages
10,806
Trophies
0
Location
Under a rock
XP
9,803
Country
United States

enarky

owls?
Member
Joined
Jul 31, 2003
Messages
1,219
Trophies
0
XP
1,986
Country
Afghanistan
The term 'antifa' makes my blood boil. That's one of the words the right has "invented" to stop discussion. Yes, there are people who are anti-fascist, yes, the short form is antifa, but no, this is not a club you join, it's a mindset you have. The only thing it's good for is whataboutism, to distract from the real issues. You point out real problems with racists and nazis and all you get is "but what about antifa".
 

Xzi

Elden Lord
Member
Joined
Dec 26, 2013
Messages
15,110
Trophies
2
Location
The Lands Between
Website
gbatemp.net
XP
6,297
Country
United States
Has anyone supporting Antifa actually killed anyone?
According to the ADL report, 3% of 387 killings in 2017 were Antifa/all left wing extremists, ~11 people. ~275 killings associated with white supremacists/all right wing extremists.

The report doesn't mention Antifa specifically, so it's hard to say those deaths are attributed to them specifically.
 
Last edited by Xzi,

Joe88

[λ]
Global Moderator
Joined
Jan 6, 2008
Messages
12,695
Trophies
1
Age
34
XP
6,747
Country
United States
I don't see this discussion going too well, but thanks for posting this anyway. According to a recent ADL report, white supremacists killed more American citizens in 2017 than Muslims and Antifa combined:

https://www.adl.org/news/press-rele...supremacist-murders-more-than-doubled-in-2017
Unfortunately what the adl doesn't take into account is if the killing were motivated by white supremacy
https://www.adl.org/education/resou...sm-in-the-united-states-in-2017#the-incidents

Wesley Andrew Hampton, a self-declared white supremacist, and another defendant allegedly robbed and murdered a man in a home invasion.

This one in particular should even be on the list, its just a home robbery and a murder, his partner in crime was black on top of that

Greeley, Colorado, August 16, 2017.
Kelly Raisley, believed to be a member or associate of the 211 Crew white supremacist gang, was arrested on first-degree murder charges for the murder of his uncle, Randy Gene Baker. Baker’s wife and sister were similarly arrested. The motive was apparently personal.
murder was personal motive, shouldnt be on there

Aryan Circle member Edward Blackburn allegedly shot and killed another man who was reportedly dating his ex-girlfriend.
yet another personal motive, its just a murder

Ricky Dubose, a member of the Ghostface Gangsters white supremacist prison gang, and another inmate, Donnie Russell Rowe, reportedly killed two corrections officers while trying to escape from a prison bus. They were later recaptured.
prison inmates killed guards to escape, not white supremacy motivated

and this one is a weird one

White supremacist Devon Arthurs allegedly shot to death two of his roommates for making fun of his recent conversion to Islam. All three, and a fourth roommate, were members of Atomwaffen, a neo-Nazi group.
so im gonna take a guess this went under the white supremacist killing toll rather than islamic, though its really just personal motive and not motivated by either ideology

Robert Hunt, an inmate with white supremacist tattoos, some common to prison gangs, is accused of stabbing to death an African-American inmate, Jorge Slaughter.
http://www.northescambia.com/2017/0...er-of-century-correctional-institution-inmate
that makes 0 reference to white supremacy
http://www.pnj.com/story/news/crime...ved-ones-stabbing-death-century-ci/758407001/
this one claims that he was white supremacist because of the family of victim (who are suing the jail) said he is
That one shouldn't be on the list at all, adl just used a poor source for that one, just seems to be prison gang violence if you want to pin it on anything
 
  • Like
Reactions: DarthDub

DrGreed

Luigi from Luigi's Mansion
Member
Joined
Sep 14, 2016
Messages
598
Trophies
0
Age
32
XP
1,372
Country
United States
I've never heard of ADL until now. Were did they get their numbers from?

Edit: I'm not defending anyone here but it seems they are the only ones reporting it.
 
Last edited by DrGreed,

x65943

Jesus was an EMF wave
Supervisor
GBAtemp Patron
Joined
Jun 23, 2014
Messages
5,269
Trophies
3
Location
ΗΠΑ
XP
14,494
Country
United States
I've never heard of ADL until now. Were did they get their numbers from?

Edit: I'm not defending anyone here but it seems they are the only ones reporting it.
Antidefamation league - they are usually pretty on ball - they are well known and respected. Although they do list Pepe as a hate symbol.
 

TotalInsanity4

GBAtemp Supreme Overlord
OP
Member
Joined
Dec 1, 2014
Messages
10,806
Trophies
0
Location
Under a rock
XP
9,803
Country
United States
Antidefamation league - they are usually pretty on ball - they are well known and respected. Although they do list Pepe as a hate symbol.
Whether or not people like it, Pepe has become an un-ironic symbol of the alt-right. The creator has addressed it and expressed his disappointment, and multiple high-profile members of neo-nazi/white supremacist groups have been seen using it (most famously, Richard Spencer was actually explaining his Pepe the Frog suit pin to a reporter before he got fuckin' decked just a little over a year ago)

Obviously, though, context of the use of imagery matters
 
  • Like
Reactions: Xzi and x65943

chrisrlink

Has a PhD in dueling
Member
Joined
Aug 27, 2009
Messages
4,961
Trophies
1
Location
duel acadamia
XP
4,625
Country
United States
so i guess one finally broke the non violent mold of WS (I mean as the group is dedacated to violence) i'd love to see trump say "they're good people" THAT would end his career right then and there
 

DrGreed

Luigi from Luigi's Mansion
Member
Joined
Sep 14, 2016
Messages
598
Trophies
0
Age
32
XP
1,372
Country
United States

Kioku_Dreams

Hi, I'm Cynical!
Member
Joined
Jun 24, 2007
Messages
11,229
Trophies
1
Location
In the Murderbox!
Website
www.twitch.tv
XP
13,579
Country
United States

DrGreed

Luigi from Luigi's Mansion
Member
Joined
Sep 14, 2016
Messages
598
Trophies
0
Age
32
XP
1,372
Country
United States
Yeah I've read that link like three times. I don't understand your counter argument. Or the point your trying to make.
I can however tell you that Trump has no control over who supports him. He also clearly condemns hatred and bigotry on "many sides".
Including WS.
 
General chit-chat
Help Users
    KenniesNewName @ KenniesNewName: I wish GrubHub was open 24/7 minded