My DS phat is breaking (i opened it too much, and sprayed a silicon lubricant to help it (it also is made to stop erosion on PCBs, i take my DS out on our boat (saltwater) as an mp3), which made it really hard to put back together) so now i need to get a new DS. But, i'm reluctant to get the lite, because it looks like it would break to easy, especially on the hinge, and since all a DSL does is look pretty and i have a SCSD which sticks out about a full inch, it'll be awkward to fit in my pocket and i fear for my SC breaking. But then again the DSL has bright lights and a longer battery life. So I'd like to make a thread dedicated to making a list of differences between every aspect of hardware different between the NDS and the DSL, including things like bigger speakers, louder speakers, bigger D-pad, buttons small for big hands, which one is less prone to losing stylus', etc. And then upon the end of this thread I plan to make a list and possibly make it a sticky. also, since it seems i can't make a poll at the end of your first post for this thread, please leave a note for which DS you are voting for. NDS indicates the old one, DSL indicates the lite. thnx. joe_gamer, i clarified the silicon spray now. However, i would like this thread to be serious because i really am debating and i want all the facts that I can get, and I'm sure others will like these facts after i turn them into a list.