by refusing to denounce his actions, you in effect support him! and your right, It was from a locked forum so it was linked here. Obviously, the sender didn't want to get kicked from the forum so he chose to be anonymous in divulging the information to non forum participants! Even if you don't trust me on this, there is always school safety czar kevin jennings he has his own connections to nambla!
So, by refusing to believe anonymous, politically motivated bloggers with no evidence whatsoever I support child abuse? Do you even listen to yourself? Did you believe everything anyone ever said about Bush and his cronies? That list you link to has been forwarded for the last 3 years and I've still not seen any evidence at all to say Jeffrey Crowley supports NAMBLA - what 'actions' of his would you like me to condemn, specifically, please? Top tip, before you try, googling "Jeff Crowley supports NAMBLA" the top result will be this very thread. Aside from that list I can't even find an accusation that he supports NAMBLA, nevermind any evidence to support it. So how come you believed it, based on just that one, unsubstantiated line? I've not seen anything to suggest it's any more than a pulled-out-the-ass smear due to the fact he's connected with Obama. I'm pretty sure if I was appointed to something by Obama by the next day I'd find out I was a Satan worshipping Nazi whose hobbies included drowning puppies. Do you think if the person who made that Czar list couldn't really find anything wrong with one of the appointees, they'd have an entry saying "Actually, this one's fine"? No, it'd be "Right, can we find? Hmm, voted for a funding grant to a primarily black school? Didn't say anything against the assault rifle ban? Favourite food - Chinese? ANTI-WHITE RACIST AND BLACK NATIONALIST, ANTI-GUN RADICAL AND SUSPECTED COMMUNIST!"
Which is a bit like the very tenuous claimed connection you posted above:
It's this constant six-degrees of Kevin Bacon style guilt by association that people use when they can't form a proper argument against someone they hate. Political figure X works with mr Y who once had a beer with a Johnny Z who later joined Group A that some people say supports Mr W who's an alleged child molester/terrorist/kitten torturer. What do you mean you support Political Figure X's policy on the environment, how can you sit there and defend child abuse?! It's a way of distorting the argument to make it about something that's easy to condemn. It's like if you can't make a decent argument against gay marriage, you create the fallacy that it will lead to men marrying dogs, because you find it much easier to argue against that.
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They are both Republicans In Name Only, or RINO! do I need to go on to explain what that means?
Of course not, it's a well known tactic. It means that as soon as someone does something bad, they're not "real" Republicans, the same way Fox puts a "D" in front of the names of disgraced politicians, even if they're Republicans.
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why don't we have a look at some liberals who happen to have the same issues. dubbed "The Lion of the Left" Bernie Ward was arrested for distributing child pornography. what does this have to do with Obama you ask? well, it turns out that Bernie ward worked as her chief legislative assistant from 1982 to 1985! but it gets better, right before the election, she endorsed Obama, A month after the election cycle had passed ANOTHER aid was arrested on for distributing child porn! He doesn't denounce the endorsement afterwords nor does he acknowledge it, but he ignores it, and two years later he throws a fundraiser for her to get re-elected! would you vote for someone like that over in europe? at the very least, he should have suggested for her to resign! but he needs all the power in congress he can get to push through his radical agenda.
Link, link, link, link, link, link, link after irrelevant link. I'm not having this 'debate' if this is all you're going to do, I already know what's on wing-nut blogs thank you very much. Bernie Ward for fucks sake, it's not even anything remotely connected to the topic! It's just "hurr-durr left wingers are child abusers." I could sit here and copy and paste left-wing sites back at you, about what someone who once worked with a Republican might have done in 1984 but what's the point in arguing by proxy? I could go google a load of similar bedroom blogs on the other side of the political spectrum about what folk like Palin, O'Donnell, Murdoch, Rove and Cheney, and anyone even remotely conencted to them have been accused of, everything from things proved in court to plausible rumours to stuff like "Bush did 9/11", you wouldn't read any of them, you can come back with a site saying Obama was born in Kenya and he's secretly planning North American Monetary Union and it would get us where, exactly?
You've not given any evidence whatsoever, just lies, rumours, hearsay and scurrility.
The simple fact you keep trying to avoid by using google to do your arguing for you and trying to move the argument to paranoid anti-Obama conspiracy theories is that Egypt is NOT going to go back to how it was. Simple as that. You can either keep living in denial and hoping you can keep propping up Mubarak (And it's going to take a Tiananmen Square style event to even keep him in power till the end of the week) so that when he finally falls there is no political opponents to take his place, and only religious ones like the Muslim Brotherhood, or you can stop playing into their hands, stop supporting an evil dictatorship and accept he has to go.
Obama has not being trying to get rid of Mubarak, he has been absolutely complicit in Mubarak's rule since he got into power. He runs a centre right party and he's too bothered about pandering to the far right to do anything as noble as that. It took him about a week after the bloodshed started to say pretty much ANYTHING constructive about it. Obama didn't start this problem, the 'problem' started 30 years ago and it's only now coming to its inevitable conclusion - because of events in Egypt, not in America.
If you think Egypt is 'ready' for democracy or not (which is a laugh in itself, Egypt isn't one of these Johnny come lately countries like the US) is a complete irrelevance. Reform is coming to Egypt, and the idea that somehow they are not deserving of democracy and the choice is simply between autocratic tyranny and theocracy is either ignorant or disingenuous. If the west cared about Islamic theocracies, they wouldn't be propping up the rulers of Saudi Arabia with huge oil and defence deals, when the country is run by Islamist nut-cases, where women can't drive, where you can be put to death for 'sorcery' and whipped for 'blasphemy'. It's fear-mongering because some neo-cons don't like the idea of another country getting Western values and freedoms if it means they lose a vice-like grip on them. We've spent decades talking about the universality of those values and ideals.
Looks like there's still no sign of the people's will being broken, the biggest show of support for the protests yet and Egyptians from all walks of life standing firm
Hundreds of thousands of Egyptians have poured into Cairo's Tahrir Square for the latest protest calling for Hosni Mubarak's government to step down.
Correspondents say it is the biggest demonstration since the protests began on 25 January.
It comes despite the government's announcement of its plans for a peaceful transfer of power.
President Mubarak has said he will stay until elections in September.
In Tahrir Square, attempts by the army to check the identity cards of those joining the demonstration were abandoned because of the sheer weight of numbers.
Our correspondent says the message to the authorities is simple - there is huge support from all walks of Egyptian life for the protests, and the government's concessions are not enough.
Meanwhile, wikileaks has released cables showing that Vice-President Omar Suleiman is Israel's favoured choice for the next leader. Think it's fair to say he'll struggle to take control of the country http://www.wikileaks.ch/cable/2008/08/08TELAVIV1984.html
they should have learned from the iranian revolution that when you decide it's time, you have to have the enemy hung from streetlamps beaten & burned the same day!!!
all that's happened by standing and shouting is they have given the enemy time.
time to import israeli death squads,
time to off-shore as much wealth as possible,
time for many "behind the scenes" people to escape - maybe to return in the future.
and most importantly, time for the u.s. to prepare something.
right now a naval groupe (1 nuclear carrier + 3 support ships) are on route to egypt - i dont think they have friendly intentions.
they should have learned from the iranian revolution that when you decide it's time, you have to have the enemy hung from streetlamps beaten & burned the same day!!!
all that's happened by standing and shouting is they have given the enemy time.
time to import israeli death squads,
time to off-shore as much wealth as possible,
time for many "behind the scenes" people to escape - maybe to return in the future.
and most importantly, time for the u.s. to prepare something.
right now a naval groupe (1 nuclear carrier + 3 support ships) are on route to egypt - i dont think they have friendly intentions.
Army commander tells cheering protestors Mubarak will go, that the army is ready to protect the "legitimate demands of the people" and says "everything you want will be realised" as members of the military are hugged and kissed in the streets. So much for the army choosing to side with Mubarak. Secretary general of Mubarak's own party says the right action is for Mubarak to step aside and for an election open to all parties, regardless of their politics. Mubarak is going to make a statement to Egypt this evening. Bye bye, Hosni!
Let's hope he's not got another trick up his sleeve
EDIT: Seems like the army may have stepped in to prevent Mubarak trying to hand power to his vice president. Seeing as they've got the presidential palace surrounded by tanks, it's fair to say the army are holding the cards at the moment.
<!--quoteo(post=3445940:date=Feb 8 2011, 01:06 AM:name=BlueStar)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BlueStar @ Feb 8 2011, 01:06 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=3445940"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->So, by refusing to believe anonymous, politically motivated bloggers with no evidence whatsoever I support child abuse? Do you even listen to yourself? Did you believe everything anyone ever said about Bush and his cronies? That list you link to has been forwarded for the last 3 years and I've still not seen any evidence at all to say Jeffrey Crowley supports NAMBLA - what 'actions' of his would you like me to condemn, specifically, please? Top tip, before you try, googling "Jeff Crowley supports NAMBLA" the top result will be this very thread. Aside from that list I can't even find an <i>accusation</i> that he supports NAMBLA, nevermind any evidence to support it. So how come you believed it, based on just that one, unsubstantiated line? I've not seen anything to suggest it's any more than a pulled-out-the-ass smear due to the fact he's connected with Obama. I'm pretty sure if I was appointed to something by Obama by the next day I'd find out I was a Satan worshipping Nazi whose hobbies included drowning puppies. Do you think if the person who made that Czar list couldn't really find anything wrong with one of the appointees, they'd have an entry saying "Actually, this one's fine"? No, it'd be "Right, can we find? Hmm, voted for a funding grant to a primarily black school? Didn't say anything against the assault rifle ban? Favourite food - Chinese? ANTI-WHITE RACIST AND BLACK NATIONALIST, ANTI-GUN RADICAL AND SUSPECTED COMMUNIST!"<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
alright, ALRIGHT my source was wrong, I am only one man! I do not have the resources to check every single line, word for word. <a href="http://www.regrettheerror.com/" target="_blank">No one</a> is perfect, but that doesn't mean that one should never denounce such actions! No, I don't believe every thing I am told, It's not "republican good, democrat bad" for me!! I preach the mantra of republicrats and demicans, the two headed snake with one body!
Bush financed foreign banks to come over and <a href="http://chicagobreakingbusiness.com/2010/12/banking-giants-leaned-heavily-on-fed-in-crisis.html" target="_blank">buy</a> businesses in the united states. He ripped the door <a href="http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=40417" target="_blank">off of its hinges</a> when it comes to illegal immigration! He pushed the <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11494815/ns/us_news-security/" target="_blank">dubai ports deal</a> And I objected to it, the people of <a href="http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3399491,00.html" target="_blank">dubai</a> are not our friends, remember where the time square bomber was <a href="http://articles.cnn.com/2010-05-04/us/new.york.car.bomb_1_bombing-attempt-law-enforcement-investigators?_s=PM:US" target="_blank">going back to</a>?
should I go on? how about his patriot act? the fact that the government <a href="http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2005-05-17-librarian-edit_x.htm" target="_blank">demands</a> the names of people who check out books on OBL? or that bush pushed ahead for truck drivers from mexico to participate in his <a href="http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=41065" target="_blank">pilot tests</a> despite opposition from congress? Is this enough to convince you that I am not an individual who screams "BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH , BACK BUSH BACK BUSH"!? I certainly hope so. At least he could dodge a shoe.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Of course not, it's a well known tactic. It means that as soon as someone does something bad, they're not "real" Republicans, the same way Fox puts a "D" in front of the names of disgraced politicians, even if they're Republicans.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
yes, yes it's all true I lie about everything. /sarcasm! should I list some of his more liberal voting records?
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Voted YES on allowing human embryonic stem cell research.
Voted NO on Constitutionally defining marriage as one-man-one-woman.
Voted YES on making the PATRIOT Act permanent.
Voted YES on keeping moratorium on drilling for oil offshore.
Voted YES on prohibiting oil drilling & development in ANWR.
Voted YES on starting implementation of Kyoto Protocol.
Supports immediate reductions in greenhouse gases
Voted NO on keeping Cuba travel ban until political prisoners released
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I could go on, but I am going to stop. I think you get the picture.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Link, link, link, link, link, link, link after irrelevant link. I'm not having this 'debate' if this is all you're going to do, I already know what's on wing-nut blogs thank you very much. Bernie Ward for fucks sake, it's not even anything remotely connected to the topic! It's just "hurr-durr left wingers are child abusers." I could sit here and copy and paste left-wing sites back at you, about what someone who once worked with a Republican might have done in 1984 but what's the point in arguing by proxy? I could go google a load of similar bedroom blogs on the other side of the political spectrum about what folk like Palin, O'Donnell, Murdoch, Rove and Cheney, and anyone even remotely conencted to them have been accused of, everything from things proved in court to plausible rumours to stuff like "Bush did 9/11", you wouldn't read any of them, you can come back with a site saying Obama was born in Kenya and he's secretly planning North American Monetary Union and it would get us where, exactly?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I didn't say that at all, I said that instead of denouncing it, he chose power and influence instead of morality and character... probably because he doesn't have any.
have a watch of this video, an interview on the B cast.<!--c1--><div class='codetop'>CODE</div><div class='codemain'><!--ec1-->http://i49.video2.blip.tv/7000004915716/Breitbarttv-TheBCastInterviewWasObamaACommittedMarxistInCollege308.m4v<!--c2--></div><!--ec2-->
what about Obama's relations to <a href="http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F02E1DE1438F932A2575AC0A9679C8B63&pagewanted=1" target="_blank">bill Ayers</a>?
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it would seem that obama's connections with ayers go <a href="http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obama-ayers-and-the-annenberg-challenge-cover-up/" target="_blank">far beyond</a> that of some guy in the neighborhood. Bill <a href="http://backyardconservative.blogspot.com/2009/10/bill-ayers-no-dream.html" target="_blank">blurted out</a> to a conservative blogger that he had wrote obamas "dreams". previously it was <a href="http://www.cashill.com/natl_general/did_bill_ayers_write_1.htm" target="_blank">speculated</a> that he had been a ghost writer for the book!
How about that? is that enough for you? I had more, but you don't seem to care to read it because it's "right wing hate machine".
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->You've not given any evidence whatsoever, just lies, rumours, hearsay and scurrility.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Have a read of those articles I posted above.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The simple fact you keep trying to avoid by using google to do your arguing for you and trying to move the argument to paranoid anti-Obama conspiracy theories is that Egypt is NOT going to go back to how it was. Simple as that. You can either keep living in denial and hoping you can keep propping up Mubarak (And it's going to take a Tiananmen Square style event to even keep him in power till the end of the week) so that when he finally falls there is no political opponents to take his place, and only religious ones like the Muslim Brotherhood, or you can stop playing into their hands, stop supporting an evil dictatorship and accept he has to go.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes, yes, I have been googleing for the last few days, but not what you think I have been googeling, want to know what I was looking for? I will tell you what I was looking for, the videos of Saddam Hussein's cronies violent torture of innocent people. I had a look at the first two videos after I found them, and I must say comparings of the Brutal egyptians police smacking peoples heads repeatedly, hanging them by there knees and arms "non violently"... oh, why not just link a video, you will see what I mean.
I realize there is corruption, and that people need to held accounted for there actions but!
<u><b>THIS IS NOTHING COMPARED TO WHAT SADDAM HUSSEIN DID!</b></u>
dont believe me? send me a pm, I will send you a link to the videos!
Yes, I just "google" and everything magically comes up. I would be interested to see some of your sources, it's not like you have been very liberal with them. And the ones you do link to, are hit pieces with no sources, just pure opinion!
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Obama has not being trying to get rid of Mubarak, he has been absolutely complicit in Mubarak's rule since he got into power. He runs a centre right party and he's too bothered about pandering to the far right to do anything as noble as that. It took him about a week after the bloodshed started to say pretty much ANYTHING constructive about it. Obama didn't start this problem, the 'problem' started 30 years ago and it's only now coming to its inevitable conclusion - because of events in Egypt, not in America.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Look! Wikileaks doesn't lie, again, have a look at the <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/egypt/8289698/Egypt-protests-secret-US-document-discloses-support-for-protesters.html" target="_blank">cable</a>!
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->If you think Egypt is 'ready' for democracy or not (which is a laugh in itself, Egypt isn't one of these Johnny come lately countries like the US) is a complete irrelevance. Reform is coming to Egypt, and the idea that somehow they are not deserving of democracy and the choice is simply between autocratic tyranny and theocracy is either ignorant or disingenuous. If the west cared about Islamic theocracies, they wouldn't be propping up the rulers of Saudi Arabia with huge oil and defence deals, when the country is run by Islamist nut-cases, where women can't drive, where you can be put to death for 'sorcery' and whipped for 'blasphemy'. It's fear-mongering because some neo-cons don't like the idea of another country getting Western values and freedoms if it means they lose a vice-like grip on them. We've spent decades talking about the <b>universality</b> of those values and ideals.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Isn't it funny how a johnny come lately country like the USA did in 300 years what Europe hasn't been able to do in over 500 years? the us starting from scratch, we went from pure farmland to the industrial capitol of the world, we where the first to land on the moon, man! If we where able to do that, just imagine what europe.... wait, nevermind. there still stuck on paying there crack addict neighbors house payments. Yes, reform. what happens when your "reform" brings to power a radical? what happens when that radical moves on the nuclear material? what happens when that nuclear information and material is discussed with other radicalized regimes in the immediate area? Did you know that a vast majority of oil used by the united states is not from the middle east, but from canada and mexico? those are the <a href="http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/company_level_imports/current/import.html" target="_blank">top two</a>. SA was @ No. 3 and it barely went over 1,100. at it's peak, it was 1,119!
how can you spread the "universality" of those ideas when the media is all state owned, hmm?
<!--quoteo(post=3451764:date=Feb 11 2011, 06:46 AM:name=The Living Shadow)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(The Living Shadow @ Feb 11 2011, 06:46 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=3451764"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->alright, ALRIGHT my source was wrong, I am only one man! I do not have the resources to check every single line, word for word. <a href="http://www.regrettheerror.com/" target="_blank">No one</a> is perfect, but that doesn't mean that one should never denounce such actions!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I tend not to denounce people's actions unless they've actually made them, funny that.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Bush financed foreign banks to come over and <a href="http://chicagobreakingbusiness.com/2010/12/banking-giants-leaned-heavily-on-fed-in-crisis.html" target="_blank">buy</a> businesses in the united states. He ripped the door <a href="http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=40417" target="_blank">off of its hinges</a> when it comes to illegal immigration! He pushed the <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11494815/ns/us_news-security/" target="_blank">dubai ports deal</a> And I objected to it, the people of <a href="http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3399491,00.html" target="_blank">dubai</a> are not our friends, remember where the time square bomber was <a href="http://articles.cnn.com/2010-05-04/us/new.york.car.bomb_1_bombing-attempt-law-enforcement-investigators?_s=PM:US" target="_blank">going back to</a>?
should I go on? how about his patriot act? the fact that the government <a href="http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2005-05-17-librarian-edit_x.htm" target="_blank">demands</a> the names of people who check out books on OBL? or that bush pushed ahead for truck drivers from mexico to participate in his <a href="http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=41065" target="_blank">pilot tests</a> despite opposition from congress? Is this enough to convince you that I am not an individual who screams "BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH , BACK BUSH BACK BUSH"!? I certainly hope so. At least he could dodge a shoe.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I've seen a lot of this since Obama took over from the right, how all politicians are bad - I saw very little of it when Bush was in power and people on the left were being demonised as traitors for questioning things like the patriot act.
Glenn Beck? Come on, you're better than that. But too be fair, there's nothing in that list that makes you say anything but "so what".
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->yes, yes it's all true I lie about everything. /sarcasm! should I list some of his more liberal voting records?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If you like, I could reply with some of their anti-gay rights votes if you like, again, it wouldn't get us anywhere.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I didn't say that at all, I said that instead of denouncing it, he chose power and influence instead of morality and character... probably because he doesn't have any.
have a watch of this video, an interview on the B cast.<!--c1--><div class='codetop'>CODE</div><div class='codemain'><!--ec1-->http://i49.video2.blip.tv/7000004915716/Breitbarttv-TheBCastInterviewWasObamaACommittedMarxistInCollege308.m4v<!--c2--></div><!--ec2-->
what about Obama's relations to <a href="http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F02E1DE1438F932A2575AC0A9679C8B63&pagewanted=1" target="_blank">bill Ayers</a>?
I've seen more wingnut obamaisapinkomarxistsocialistcommie videos than I've had hot dinners thanks, they're all full of shit. Again, I can come back with similar videos about Palin, Beck, Murdoch, you wouldn't believe any of them.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->it would seem that obama's connections with ayers go <a href="http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obama-ayers-and-the-annenberg-challenge-cover-up/" target="_blank">far beyond</a> that of some guy in the neighborhood. Bill <a href="http://backyardconservative.blogspot.com/2009/10/bill-ayers-no-dream.html" target="_blank">blurted out</a> to a conservative blogger that he had wrote obamas "dreams". previously it was <a href="http://www.cashill.com/natl_general/did_bill_ayers_write_1.htm" target="_blank">speculated</a> that he had been a ghost writer for the book!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Again, I know all the paranoid conspiracy theories about Obama the TERRIST!!!111. A lot of things have been "speculated", come back when you have evidence rather than speculation.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->How about that? is that enough for you? I had more, but you don't seem to care to read it because it's "right wing hate machine".
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->You've not given any evidence whatsoever, just lies, rumours, hearsay and scurrility.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Have a read of those articles I posted above.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Here's a thread where you can talk about the goings on in Egypt, rather than throwing as much mud at Obama on any random topic you can find, without checking your sources, and hoping some of it sticks. Try actually sticking to the topic without going off on OMGBILLAYERSJEREMIAHWRIGHTMARXISMMINDCONTROLAGGRRRGRGR
Do you remember during the Bush years that whenever he did anything some people would do nothing but link to sites offering what they claimed were pages and pages and video after video of proof about how Bush stole the election, how he arranged for Bin Laden's allies to be flown out the country after 9/11, how he was a coke addict in high school, how Barbara Bush deliberately murdered her boyfriend? Does that not appear familiar when you get into your comfort zone of "But Bill Ayers! But communism! But somone he appointed might have once said something nice about something someone did when that person did something nasty in a totally unrelated event decades later! But a radio commentator on the same side of the political spectrum as the president had child porn!"
Meant to put this in my previous post, which I can't edit now thanks to board restrictions, but the obama-ayres connection is simply not as exciting as you've been led to believe http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/ayers.asp. It's just more guilt by association. Judge a man on what he actually does.
By the way, is your implication that obama planned mubarak's fall and your insistence that, as a result, egypt will become a theocracy (which I'm perfectly happy to remind you of once we see the shape of the new egypt) mean you believe obama wants an egypt run by anti-west islamists? Why?
One final thought - was the US ready to elect their own representatives when they got that right? Bearing in mind things like women not being allowed to vote, and the constitution specifying that slaves were worth only three-fifths of a person? Maybe the British should have kept control for the purposes of "stability" until you guys were ready for it. You know, just in case confederates or or anyone like that ended up seizing control.
<!--quoteo(post=3451901:date=Feb 11 2011, 04:53 AM:name=BlueStar)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BlueStar @ Feb 11 2011, 04:53 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=3451901"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I tend not to denounce people's actions unless they've actually made them, funny that.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Oh my god, I am going to skip this one, like you have done to me when it was convenient for you but I freely let it go!
*Shock* I screwed up once! I still don't see anyone denouncing climate-gate.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I've seen a lot of this since Obama took over from the right, how all politicians are bad - I saw very little of it when Bush was in power and people on the left were being demonised as traitors for questioning things like the patriot act.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Like I could vote at what, 10? If George Bush was anything other that the check pants republican he was, maybe we would have had some real done for a change. thanks to him, the border stayed open, drug smugglers where able to smuggle sleeper cells into the country, and setup base so that when the signal was given, they could act. It's a tough call, don't get me wrong. If israel attacks iran, BOOM, there goes the cells, if the united states attacks iran, there goes israel. why can't they arrest the sleeper cells? Because of liberal groups such as the ACLU,CAIR and the like. I can source all of that, but you don't give a crap, so long as Iman Anjem Choudary and other like minded individuals can preach there radical doctrine of hate and oppression, it's all cool with you, right?
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Glenn Beck? Come on, you're better than that. But too be fair, there's nothing in that list that makes you say anything but "so what".<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I beg to differ; but no matter what I say, now matter how much I source why I seem to have that opinion. I provide reasons for my theory, you denounce it without any proof, just pure opinion. no sources, just outright lies.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->If you like, I could reply with some of their anti-gay rights votes if you like, again, it wouldn't get us anywhere.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
what, the right for gay individuals to get married? to start a family? please elaborate.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Again, I know all the paranoid conspiracy theories about Obama the TERRIST!!!111. A lot of things have been "speculated", come back when you have evidence rather than speculation.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I do have "evidence" did you even watch that first video? I doubt it. If you had, you would have seen the photo's of obama back in the day, his fellow student turned NYT blogger discuss his own radicalism and his conversations on marxism with B/O. Not to mention that obama "<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully, The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
ring a bell?
let me go through this one more time, he was radicalized at the at of ten by a known communist, by his own admission he "sought out" Marxists in college, had long conversations about marxism with fellow marxists while he was still in school. Claimed on camera that the people of the united states "cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded." Claimed that we need to "spread" the "wealth" around. absolutely refuses to release any records from his college years, and yet "I am crazy" for making the basic distinction that if it walks like a marxist, if it talks like a marxist, it must be a marxist. can you provide some form of proof that he is, in fact not a marxist? Please, I am begging you, and ... while your at it, mind sending Neil Abercrombie the long form birth certificate? He seems to be having trouble finding it.
Noooooooooooooooooot scary
Egypt got more peeps then cash to feed `em, even they are not stupid enough to use the food $ to draw a war, because even if they win, they lose
Climate-g... What? Seriously, what the ever loving fuck are you on about? What does climategate have to do with fucking anything at all? And I've seen lots of people denouncing climate-gate, left, right, up, down, British, American. But I honestly give up, I'm not going to sit here and respond to epic post after epic post having to defend anything and everything anyone to the left of Ghengis Kahn has ever done or ever been accused of doing, as if it's in anyway relevant to the goings on in Egypt. Believe what you want to believe, Obama is a lizard person who wants to destroy America and turn you into the USSR, better stock up on assault rifles before it's too late.
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