Mubarak Steps Down as President

[kineticUk]

After all this comments, I really see that you dislike the "west" and Israel, at least our daily politics.
Eh? What did he say?

Why are you living among us if you dislike our politics?
We were all born somewhere and I fail to see how you ended up with the conclusion from their post that they don't want to live where they live. More important WTF has that got to do with anything, just out of interest? The poster has a right to express themselves and their opinion on a given subject just like you. Whether you agree or not isn't the issue. I didnt agree with you btw but I'm not telling you to move to another country.
QUOTE(ManFranceGermany @ Feb 11 2011, 10:26 PM)

If I hate the Politics of my country I would try to be part of a revolution, like the Egyptians did, or at least leave the Country, which I don't support.

Interesting and there are plenty of other ways to bring about change depending on the circumstances. Egypt has had to physically stand up to make a change because maybe that was required and there was no other way.
When dealing with large groups of people of different backgrounds, faiths, ethnicity etc we are never all going to agree. We don't all have the same views. Maybe think about that and not just assume you are the "one" opinion and others are just wrong. Your reply came across as very ignorant and I felt it was unfair on the person who was discussing something with others here.
So thats my view on your views.

Back to the topic, im glad for the people of egypt. I wish them all the luck for the future and peace.

 

[BlueStar]

After all this comments, I really see that you dislike the "west" and Israel, at least our daily politics.

I love the west. That's why I'm delighted to see young Egyptians embrace our ideals of liberal demoracy.

Why are you living among us if you dislike our politics?
Excuse me, what? I am a proud Englishman and a proud European. I was born in England, and my mother has traced our genealogy back as far as she could, and in 600 years none of my ancestors, as far as we can tell has left the British isles. The two ancestors of mine who I am most proud of is my grandfather on my father's side, who led the Jarrow March, and my Great Uncle Joe, who was in the RAF and died after returning from a bombing raid on Nazi Germany to find the Hun had bombed the airfield and had to crash-land. The local priest told his sister, my Great Auntie Winnie, that he died because she skipped church, and the guilt from his death gave her serious mental problems until she died in 2004.

But, regardless, if I were born elsewhere, who are you to tell me my opinions are not valid? Being a German, you should know better than to assume 'outsiders' living in your country somehow have their opinions rendered moot.

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Let's not forget that Nazi Germany was build on a "revolution" and at least on the beginning with democratic steps, same for Iran and other "democracies".

And let's not forget apartheid rule in south africa was ended through people power, in spite of those who thought the local 'savages' weren't ready for freedom. And, oh, look a former 'criminal' and 'extremist' became their president. And let's not forget the Nazis herded their undesirables into ghettos which were very similar to those in the Gaza strip.

 

[Son of Science]

And let's not forget apartheid rule in south africa was ended through people power, in spite of those who thought the local 'savages' weren't ready for freedom. And, oh, look a former 'criminal' and 'extremist' became their president. And let's not forget the Nazis herded their undesirables into ghettos which were very similar to those in the Gaza strip.

So, from what I gather, you seem to support apartheid and English . Am I correct?

 

[BlueStar]

And let's not forget apartheid rule in south africa was ended through people power, in spite of those who thought the local 'savages' weren't ready for freedom. And, oh, look a former 'criminal' and 'extremist' became their president. And let's not forget the Nazis herded their undesirables into ghettos which were very similar to those in the Gaza strip.
So, from what I gather, you seem to support apartheid and English . Am I correct?


From what I gather, you can't read or type, am I correct?

Supporting the will of the people in Egypt is not a fringe position in the UK. I certainly don't support our Conservative Prime Minister, but he's been open in his support for the protests from the start.

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David Cameron welcomes Egypt's 'precious moment' after Hosni Mubarak's exit
David Cameron has welcomed President Hosni Mubarak's decision to step down and told Egypt that the UK is ready to help its transition to democracy
Read more: http://www.metro.co.uk/news/855318-david-c...t#ixzz1DhPvTTP2

 

[m3rox]

Alright! Now it's our turn!

C'mon fellow Americans. Let's march!

j/k

 

[Fireballo]

I feel like if you watch the news it makes you more stupid rather than informed. Mubarak did not step down. Just last night he announced that he wasn't going anywhere and today he decided to step down and go on vacation. I don't think so. More like the military leaders knocked on his door last night and said tomorrow you're stepping down and getting out of town. The military pushed out Mubarak. That should be the headline.

 

[Thomas83Lin]

Congrats to all Egyptians!!

 

[GundamXXX]

Never thought to see it but Im glad it happend

Good luck with the country guys!


PS. In case people dont realize it, the army will not make this an Army State, they have the coolest army Ive seen ;p

 

[ManFranceGermany]

After all this comments, I really see that you dislike the "west" and Israel, at least our daily politics.

I love the west. That's why I'm delighted to see young Egyptians embrace our ideals of liberal demoracy.

Why are you living among us if you dislike our politics?
Excuse me, what? I am a proud Englishman and a proud European. I was born in England, and my mother has traced our genealogy back as far as she could, and in 600 years none of my ancestors, as far as we can tell has left the British isles. The two ancestors of mine who I am most proud of is my grandfather on my father's side, who led the Jarrow March, and my Great Uncle Joe, who was in the RAF and died after returning from a bombing raid on Nazi Germany to find the Hun had bombed the airfield and had to crash-land. The local priest told his sister, my Great Auntie Winnie, that he died because she skipped church, and the guilt from his death gave her serious mental problems until she died in 2004.

But, regardless, if I were born elsewhere, who are you to tell me my opinions are not valid? Being a German, you should know better than to assume 'outsiders' living in your country somehow have their opinions rendered moot.

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Let's not forget that Nazi Germany was build on a "revolution" and at least on the beginning with democratic steps, same for Iran and other "democracies".

And let's not forget apartheid rule in south africa was ended through people power, in spite of those who thought the local 'savages' weren't ready for freedom. And, oh, look a former 'criminal' and 'extremist' became their president. And let's not forget the Nazis herded their undesirables into ghettos which were very similar to those in the Gaza strip.

Let's put ur Thread into one sentence: The bad "imperial west" and the good middle east, which is just chaotic and poor because of Israel, the USA and Europe.

And u tell me something about ur ancestors? Well, I am a german-french-swedish-arabic mix and my Girl is Turk..what i want to say with this..it doesn't matter where u come from and what a family member did 500 years ago, its today which counts.

The Muslim Brotherhood is dangerous, like the Hamas and the Hizbollah. They all have the Goal of a united sharia arabic empire..so you mean one day we will accept this EXTREMISTS? Did you know that at least Europe had an Embargo on south-Africa? And to compare and to talk about Nelson Mandela, one of the greatest man of this century, in the same breath as people like the Muslim Brotherhood, is just a shame.

 

[LightyKD]

Alright! Now it's our turn!

C'mon fellow Americans. Let's march!

j/k

Actually that shouldn't be a "joke". What IS a joke is our congress and the plutonomy our country has become. It's shameful and trust me, pretty soon the United States will be exactly like Egypt. The problem is, will our people stand up for our rights or will we be stupid and apathetic and sit on our asses?

Watch this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cy87kzKxkP8

 

[BlueStar]

Let's put ur Thread into one sentence: The bad "imperial west" and the good middle east, which is just chaotic and poor because of Israel, the USA and Europe.

No, not at all. The west, and in particular western liberal democracy (small L liberal, not the American meaning) is good. Dictatorships, religious theocracies, Iran, Syria, Mubarak, all bad. Dictatorship supported by the west = bad, dictatorship which hates the west = bad. Western actions which support freedom and democracy in the middle east = good, western actions which support oppressive regimes like Saudi Arabia and China = bad. Egypt becoming more westernised = good. Clear?

And u tell me something about ur ancestors? Well, I am a german-french-swedish-arabic mix and my Girl is Turk..what i want to say with this..it doesn't matter where u come from and what a family member did 500 years ago, its today which counts.

Agreed.

The Muslim Brotherhood is dangerous, like the Hamas and the Hizbollah.

No. I disagree with their aims, but they're not as violent, oppressive or dangerous as Hamas, Hizbollah or the Taliban.

QUOTEThey all have the Goal of a united sharia arabic empire..so you mean one day we will accept this EXTREMISTS? Did you know that at least Europe had an Embargo on south-Africa? And to compare and to talk about Nelson Mandela, one of the greatest man of this century, in the same breath as people like the Muslim Brotherhood, is just a shame.

I don't agree with the goals of the Muslim Brotherood, but at least they're going about it in a better way than many conservative Muslims do. I mean, do people have the right to want Sharia law (or anything else I don't like) and campaign for it through peaceful political process or not? Regardless, I simply don't see Egyptians spending so much time demanding freedom of expression, the right to vote, freedom of the press and then allowing a theocracy to replace the autocracy. The Muslim Brootherhood may have support in rural areas, but the people in Ciaro are a lot more liberal and 'westernised' than some would have you believe.

Anyway. this whole deal has the tin-pot rulers of Syria, Algeria, Yemen, Jordan, Lybia, Saudi Arabia and lots of other places very worried. They're all ruled by dicks. Some are dicks only to their own people, some are dicks to the west and Israel as well, but all are dicks, none the less. To demonstrate how worried they are, the leader of Bahrain has just given $3,000 to every family in the country, just like that. The leaders of Kuwait have just given the same amount to every person. It might be a period of upheaval and turmoil, but it's also one of immense opportunity. We should let our own fear nix that opportunity.

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"On the occasion of the 10th anniversary of the National Action Charter and as a sign of appreciation for the people of Bahrain who have approved it, King Hamad bin Issa al-Khalifa has ordered 1,000 dinars (3,000 dollars) to be paid to every Bahraini family," BNA reported.

The decision came as cyber activists called for protests in Bahrain starting from Monday to demand political, social and economic reforms.

Like I say, shitting it.

I just think it's hypocritical that for the past decade we've been banging the drum about liberating Iraq, telling people to rise up against Hussain and Ahmadinejad, extolling the values of western ideology, and then when a country decides they want it at a time that doesn't suit us suddenly it's an about turn "Oh no, that brutal dictator was oppressing people we don't like, as well as all those millions of ordinary Egyptians, no, please don't say nasty things on him on facebook and get people angry."

 

[Arithmatics]

Yay but unyay at the same time.

Mubarak gone but egypt ruled by their military is like north korea only middle eastern and not as bad. well. i guess synonymously as in meaning ruled by military. :S if that makes sense

 

[BlueStar]

The military are there (I would hope) to stop anyone seizing power in the interim period between Mubarak stepping down and democratic elections. Who else would run the country in that period?

 

[GundamXXX]

Yay but unyay at the same time.

Mubarak gone but egypt ruled by their military is like north korea only middle eastern and not as bad. well. i guess synonymously as in meaning ruled by military. :S if that makes sense

Read my post
The Egyptian military is one that consists out of conscripts who mostly disagree with Mubarak anyway

 

[Maz7006]

The Muslim Brotherhood is dangerous

you are terribly misinformed - Muslim implying the following of Islam is a religion of peace - ask any PROPER muslim and he would reject all these "terrorist" groups as they are called, its not as if they condone such organizations

your images that you posted earlier have no meaning; Lebanon is a deomcractic country, and Hizbollah has no direct associations with the country and its constitiution.

QUOTE(ManFranceGermany @ Feb 12 2011, 12:14 PM) like the Hamas and the Hizbollah. They all have the Goal of a united sharia arabic empire..so you mean one day we will accept this EXTREMISTS

these groups are freedom fighters taht protect their respective countries

if you had any idea, Hizbiollah was established in order to protect the South of Lebanon and brought about its freedom, it still exists today in order to maintain its reoccupied land. Hamas exists merely to protect what is actually left of the palestinians

although you ARE right in saying that they wish to unite the arab "empire" as you call it (even though this is seldom the case today) that in fact is not true; although it is a hazy dream for such groups and most probably they know it will never happen, they are fully aware that their mere existence today is just to establish their religious and moral goals that are bound to their country

if your talking about TERRORIST groups, then please refer next to to something like "al-qaida" or "fatih islam", which was just recently wiped out by the army here in Leabnon

 

[em2241992]

It is a great thing that Mubarak stepped down, it is a promising opportunity for all Egyptians. However, they still have to repair the mangled government, constitution, and we have absolutely no idea what the acting military government will do. Right now, they are okay, but it can get dangerous very quickly if not dealt with carefully.
I also find it interesting, when Fireballo said the military pushed out Mubarak. I don't know if I believe that, but it makes sense since he left so abruptly and that he turned over power directly to the military. It could have been the best option he could think of or that he just got fed up trying knowing that he was loaded anyway. I wonder where Egypt will head from here.

 

[GundamXXX]

The Muslim Brotherhood is dangerous

you are terribly misinformed - Muslim implying the following of Islam is a religion of peace - ask any PROPER muslim and he would reject all these "terrorist" groups as they are called, its not as if they condone such organizations

your images that you posted earlier have no meaning; Lebanon is a deomcractic country, and Hizbollah has no direct associations with the country and its constitiution.

QUOTE(ManFranceGermany @ Feb 12 2011, 12:14 PM) like the Hamas and the Hizbollah. They all have the Goal of a united sharia arabic empire..so you mean one day we will accept this EXTREMISTS

these groups are freedom fighters taht protect their respective countries

if you had any idea, Hizbiollah was established in order to protect the South of Lebanon and brought about its freedom, it still exists today in order to maintain its reoccupied land. Hamas exists merely to protect what is actually left of the palestinians

although you ARE right in saying that they wish to unite the arab "empire" as you call it (even though this is seldom the case today) that in fact is not true; although it is a hazy dream for such groups and most probably they know it will never happen, they are fully aware that their mere existence today is just to establish their religious and moral goals that are bound to their country

if your talking about TERRORIST groups, then please refer next to to something like "al-qaida" or "fatih islam", which was just recently wiped out by the army here in Leabnon

The Muslim Bortherhood(TMB) will impose certain laws that any non-Muslim will be unhappy with
Also interreligious relationships will become a thing of the past

The christian and koptic community oppose a rule by TMB as I can understand, due to the fear that they will turn the country into a muslim state, something they will most likely do.
In this Id liek to add that no country should be ruled by anyone that bases his or her influence on religion be it christian

Hamas and Hizbollah have the right intentions, to protect their people, but are doing the wrong actions that being the killing of innocents.

And on that last bit about the union of Arab nations that "will never happen".. they thought a rebellion against the Egyptian would never happen either... jsut sayin

 

[BlueStar]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12440138

Egypt's military authorities have reaffirmed the country's commitment to all its international treaties.

The announcement, which was read by a senior officer on state TV, implicitly confirms that the country's peace treaty with Israel will remain intact.

Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu welcomed the announcement, saying the treaty was the cornerstone of stability in the Middle East as a whole.

Can we stop using the "OMG ESTREMISTZ!" argument against the peaceful protesters now, please?

 

[DSGamer64]

For some epic lulz, I would like to share this thread with everyone because it's hilarious, especially if you are a WoW player.

http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/850057...-first-by-Egypt.

 

[BlueStar]

The Muslim Bortherhood(TMB) will impose certain laws that any non-Muslim will be unhappy with
Also interreligious relationships will become a thing of the past

A bit like Israel, then?

Nobody mentions the Jewish Brotherhood

QUOTEIt should be noted that Israeli law already fights interfaith marriages: A Jew and a non-Jew (as well as any Muslim trying to marry a non-Muslim) cannot marry in Israel, which stubbornly refuses to permit civil marriages and leaves standing the formation of the old Turkish Millet, or religious sect. An Israeli Jew wishing to marry a non-Jew is forced to marry abroad.