1. TheZander

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    I like it .I think people who don't like it are idiots.
     
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    I don't really buy anything for looks so if it does or does not have enough curves for people then meh. Most of my cool electrical tools are just that, though if they do want to give me a nice cold war era rack mount type option I will not say no (... might have to look into that one actually). That name is not great though -- while I am seemingly holding a higher opinion about members of the general public as far as their capability to recognise stuff I would still say don't give them the option to be confused if you can, and given they have 3 consoles out plus a handful of revisions of each that should not be a hard feat.

    I want games and features. 4K is rather uninteresting for me, pretty much only of any use for RTS games (it is a console) and maybe long distance sniping so I can see 4 pixels rather than 1. 60 is only any use for most of what I care about (especially nowadays when inputs are uncoupled from frames) because a dip from 60 is less troubling than a dip from 30. Any more than that is mostly only for those that get seasick with VR.

    That video however had nothing of any interest as far as games, and looking at Microsoft's present stable then I don't imagine their exclusives doing too much for my taste (might for others) so back to sleep while I wait.
     
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    gonna love the my series x console has overheated posts when they put that THING on it's side. and if you believe the lies they say about this claiming to do 8k gaming than your even more stupid than you look. if pc can't do it than no way in hell is the trash can able to :creep:
     
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    you forgot
    Xbox one S so yeah preety confusing name, kids say to theyr parents i want and xbox series s and they buy an xbox one S lol
     
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    They always say that sh*t about "the most powerful console ever". C'mon man, we just want great games and fun. Yeah, power is good, but I have the Xbox One S and only a handful of games are great, we want quality, not quantity. These morons at Xbox just want power and brag about it, they don't care about games with a soul.

    Also that trailer for Hellblade sucked, man, it was a pain to watch. So much potential and they showed that.

    Just my two cents.
     
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    To everyone complaining about the design:

    The reality is that we are starting to hit a wall when it comes to the power/performance trade-off in modern computing, at least at the high end. This is due to the slowing of process node shrinks, combined with the diminishing marginal returns when it comes to graphical fidelity.

    For this thing to be able to pump out 2160p/60fps, it's going to be sucking down power like nobody's business. At that point, cooling becomes a major concern.

    Do you want this thing to be small? Well, you're going to need really small, really high RPM fans because your heatsink won't be able to be very large. I've seen so many complaints about the jet engine that is currently the PS4 Pro. Remember, this thing is going to sit in your living room.

    Do you want this thing to be quiet? Well, it's going to need a huge heatsink and larger, lower RPM fans, and a case designed around optimizing airflow.

    Microsoft has obviously prioritized the latter, thus this design. I guarantee that the majority of that case is for a huge heatsink. Honestly, it's the same decision I would have made myself.
     
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    guily6669 GbaTemp is my Drug
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    Totally agree... And even Dreamcast is a RISC type of CPU and lately it seems everyone wants to make RISC-V a big thing since I think everyone can start producing them and customize them the way they want without paying any royalties...

    I'm thinking that probably all consoles were always based on something else no idea...

    Also in my opinion I think nowadays is the best era for consoles since both PS4 and Xone are very similar to a common desktop PC X86\X64 so devs probably can make a game much easier and surely will also be much easier to optimise any game for each console power even though off course the SDK will always have their own differences and Xbox has the advantage of supporting DirectX so anyone used to DX library on windows will probably be very familiarized with it on the X1...
     
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    All I know is that this thing is going to look incredible on my desk, right next to my PC.

    The only problem is that I now want matching cases. Maybe get a "Big Brother / Little Brother" theme going on.
     
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    I actually find it super damn ugly FFS... Also with a desktop why would you ever want a Xbone??? you can play with Xone friends on a lot of games, you can talk with them and see them just like you were in a Xbox, all exclusives = gone to PC... And don't even need XbLive Gold to play online...

    I'm totally gonna wait for Next Gen console releases and then upgrade my PC, for me there's only one Next Gen console and it's called Playstation 5 :)
    It looks anything but a console, looks like a god damn portable air conditioner unit jeez...

    I totally liked Xbox original and X360 design specially the special editions of the later slim and the clear versions of the Xbox original were so epic, never liked the original PS3 fat design, I also don't like current PS4 design and I kinda like the simple Xbox One design even though it's not impressive either...

    There are much better looking fairly powerful small desktops than this console and they actually look more like a gaming console than this shitty cube design which I can't even put anywhere in my room unless on the ground to work as a heater lol, but then again I won't be buying that garbage I will stick to PC+PS5 my self...

    In my opinion this is how a proper console should look like:

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    Can't even imagine having like a PS5 looking like that but much smaller and with the USB 3.1 ports all in the front, simple and damn good looking and also I wouldn't mind if it had a small cheap black and white with brightness control OLED display showing the hours...
     
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    Presumably the same reason we have home consoles at all -- until the next cycle comes out you tend to just be able to plop down some cash for a game, put it in (nowadays maybe wait a while) and just play it. "give me convenience or give me death" is not only the title of one of my favourite albums but the mindset of a lot of consumers.
     
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    The thing there's a huge difference between a console with exclusives and a console where all its functions are on a PC lol... Also you can use the same exact Xone controller on PC, have it connected to your TV and you can simply use something like the "controller companion" where you can control all the windows with the Xbox controller and even have it's own keyboard like a console and you control the mouse with the controller... I have used controller companion many times and I can even exit games and open any other game or even open the browser all in the bed with the PC connected to the 4K TV and without ever even needing a wireless mouse\keyboard or even using them, just the Xbox one controller does it all with that small app...

    Also a PC turns on almost instantaneously even my old PC from 2011 with a old 128GB SSD it opens windows and is ready to open apps before my PS4 Pro is ready to open a game lol...

    That's why If you have a decent PC in my opinion the only Next gen console that matters is the PS5 which is where it will have games that you won't be playing on PC either ever or so soon unless remote via PS Now if the game comes for it...
     
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    Because
    1. While my PC is more than good enough for general productivity and media consumption, it's 100% not good enough for gaming.
    2. Even if it were good enough, I use Linux exclusively. So there's no guarantee those "Gone to PC" games would even work at all. Valve's Proton helps, but it's not the panacea for Linux gaming. Yet.
    Some of you are seriously underrating convenience.
     
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    guily6669 GbaTemp is my Drug
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    Well most of the people with a desktop will be using windows and if anyone makes a gaming PC surely will be windows and about PC not being enough for gaming well, it has all current most recent Xbox one exclusive games and all the library + the best games out there, lately I only play Squad, Post Scriptum and other realistic games and none are on any console...

    And for the actual exclusive games I have a PS4 Pro and even though most of the times it's picking up dust I'm totally having a blast on Death Stranding even though it will supossely come to PC next summer, but I couldn't wait, totally like Hideo Kojima stuff. The Xbox One I wouldn't want one not even for free lol, my friend even bought the Forza Horizon 3 and 4 on his Xbone and gave it to me and just like all forza Horizon's before it which I played all since I had Xbox original and X360, I only go trough all roads, do half a dozen booring races and never open the game again...

    Halo I also played all of them including the ones that never came to PC and I only really liked Halo 1 and it's the only one I finished and on the hardest dificulty (was actually one of the hardest games I ever finished on the max dificulty you will really DIE a damn lot :) )...

    I don't even bother playing any game from Micro$hit store and I don't even care to login with my xbox profile on my PC, but if I login I can clearly see what my friends on their Xbones are doing, talk with them or send messages or play with them on the cross play games like Forza and others, but I never even bothered as I don't like Gears, Halo and modern Forza's, last Forza I liked was Forza Motorsport 4 on the Xbox 360, never liked Forza 5, 6 or 7 (I actually had Forza 7 in my PC, played maxed out, did a few time trials and uninstalled it lol)...

    I'm currently playing Age of Empires II definitive edition, I don't know is why it opens with Xbox Exclusive ad when I don't think it's even on the Xbox lol

    Anyway about M$ games I'm only waiting for AGE OF EMPIRES IV and maybe Flight Simulator 2020, nothing more, though the upcoming Halo trailer looks pretty good and maybe its this time that halo will change to something completely different that I might like, but I'm sure I will be able to play it on PC so whatever, I'm sure my friend will buy it for his Xone and I will get it for free unless M$ makes it no cross-buy...

    ps: My PC is all from 2011 and I can still play Forza, Gears and other Xbox crapware maxed out and just upgraded GPU a few years ago for a crap Asus Strix RX480 which is flashed to Strix RX580 OC and with Kryonaut thermal paste and extra cooling on the Vram chips... But I'm totally make my Next Gen Xbox PC Desktop after next gen consoles get released and buy a PS5 not a Xbone and I basically have all the Xbox crapware in the PC + playstation for their exclusives and basically get the best out of 3 worlds with only 2 :grog: oh and without having to pay for Xbox Live gold which is even a big plus in playing online for free and my friends with Xbones can even share their games for free with me and I can play with them and again without paying the XbLive gold, PS Plus is already enough for me and I wish they would stop the shitty subscriptions to play online and I don't give a single crap about their free games, until now for years I think I only played like 2 PS Plus games and never installed or even add most of the crap they give, I have much better games for free in the PC and don't even bother downloading 99% of them...
     
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    Sure, but when you think about PC's and the general users you'll find them on on a x86/x64 based platform.
    It's cool that PPC was used in Macs, but when you think Mac you really don't associate it with gaming all that much.
    Point is that parts were cherrypicked for performance and there was a decent amount of variety from competitors.
    Perhaps they switched it up to make it easier to develop for, or perhaps there's just nothing else that can compete with the likes of intel/amd nowadays.
    Whatever the case may be, every gen consoles are getting closer to PC. The fact that they have their own locked ecosystem is starting to feel a lil stupid.
     
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    I don't think any gen got as close as the Xbox original since hacked it was the most incredible console ever made with XBMC which even won many awards as the best media center out there...

    Anyway like I said probably all or almost all consoles were based on already existing architectures\hardware and were modified to their needs just like current consoles, for example PS4 Pro actually has extra hardware for the checkerboard upscaling feature to give that function without impacting too much the actual performance, even though they are very similar to current PC Desktop computers they always have their own custom stuff on the consoles... Even Next Gen consoles to do Ray-tracing for example they might actually have some extra hardware to do it differently to how Nvidia RTX does using their Tensor cores, we can only wait to see...

    And I'm sure it's much better like this because first nothing is beating current PC hardware in terms of performance and I'm sure AMD sell their stuff at very low prices for console makers and now AMD improved so much specially in CPU side compared to current gen consoles that is all a big win-win situation and also easier for anyone to convert games and Xbox for example supporting DirectX also helps for ppl very familiarized with making stuff on PC using DX libraries and so on...

    I'm sure PC\PS4\Xone is the best generation for devs and the easiest to optimise for each console too and will continue for next gen vs PC... Though now it seems everyone is going crazy with ARM and RISC-V, I think PC might have a huge flip at some point too specially with ARM which they want to get into desktop PC's so badly, well to me if they could deliver better performance for a better price I would be happy, however I'd want to see how would old PC X86\X64 games run like on ARM emulating them, so I my self think ARM should continue doing their same business on smartphones and other stuff and not get into Desktop gaming very soon or things can get very badly and with many problems for a huge change of a whole architecture just like that when the Desktop PC maintained the same architecture for so many dusty years even though windows always end up breaking a lot of legacy stuff too :ph34r:, but a change to ARM I'm sure would break much more stuff than M$ Windows ever broke:whip:.
     
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    I just like having a gaming device that costs half the price while running modern games without a hitch, so there's that. Sure, PC gaming is potentially fancier and more customizable, but in actuality you need to buy an overpriced piece of tech to get that "better-than-console" experience master race likes to boast about.

    ...are you gatekeeping electronics?
     
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    I don't even know what that means, but all I can say is I have my ugly PS4 Pro below the 4K TV and that Tall portable dehumidifier like Xbox Next gen thing surely has no place anywhere in my room and would have to stay in the ground just like my subwoofers lol...

    Just Hope PS5 is nothing like that ugly thing since I don't care for Xbox as all features got into my PC, just hope PS5 has the best hardware and best design:grog:. I have Xbox Original and Xbox360 and totally liked them, but never cared a single bit for Xbox one (Xbox 3)...

    It also got me pissed that they never done any more Rallysport Challenge games, Activision killed the awesome xbox exclusive Project Gotham Racing (Bill gates favourite game) which came from Dreamcast Metropolis Street Racer... it lost so many crap and only kept with Forzas, Gears and Halos for the majority and the latest are all now on PC... I still own a Gears Judgement Xbox360 original game sealed and didnt even bothered opening and using it on my Xbox, never liked the game even though I played maybe Gears 3 Lan over internet coop with a friend but we never even finished it...

    ps: But I really wanted a new Rallysport Challenge, a new Project Gotham Racing and specially a new SEGA GT, I LOVED THAT GAME on the dreamcast and totally loved the Xbox original exclusive version, that thing was so amazing, hope they ever have a comeback to xbox as long as it comes to PC too B-).
     
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    Well, I mean, given the amount of power any device that will compete with this will use, it will again need to be designed around heat dissipation...

    And if you don't want heatsink fins which are contained in a box like this one, I guess you'll just want them exposed like the PS5 prototype images floating around? Now that's what I call ugly...

    In any case, it will still be either very large or very loud, take your pick. And even if you can put it beneath your TV it doesn't mean you should... it will need to be put somewhere it can breathe.

    PS5 prototype:

    [​IMG]
     
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    Well I'm actually not part of the "master-race", I have always had PC+consoles, it's just that all Xone features are now on PC and I have a PS4 Pro... I have a Xbox Original and a Xbox 360 (both modded but the X360 Falcon is heavily modded with a custom case that I painted, custom PC power cables that I soldered, cooling on every memory and big chip inside + 2 extra new fans and a custom plastic tunnel I made for maximum air pressure just for GPU cooling and I replaced the original fans for some less noisy more airflow ones and the intake fan above even draws ambient temp on it like a god damn Christmas tree :rolleyes:), never bought a PS2, I bought a PS3 super slim used very late like in 2012 or 2013 but mostly for the GT 6... I also have a Dreamcast, a Sega Mega Drive 1 and had a PS1 while I always also had a PC, the first one was from my father a Pentium I...

    If Next Gen Xbox continues the same I already have one and will go for a PS5, simple as water... Also like I said my PC is all from 2011 and only took 1 single GPU upgrade from a GTX570 to a Strix RX480 which is flashed to Strix RX580 OC and slightly modded... And I can still play all xbox games maxed out very well, though some PC exclusive titles specially Post Scriptum I already need a upgrade, but it's still pretty playable and I plan to only make a new PC after Next Gen consoles or even wait for DDR5 to arrive so this PC basically was used literally between 2 generation of consoles pretty well and still kickin ass in crap Gears 5, latest Forzas, Borderlands 3, they all run pretty good and I previously had a normal PS4 (3rd latest revision before the slim and Pro) and sold it to a friend and bought the PS4 Pro...

    Also sure you pay more for a PC, but then you can add as many HDD's as you want, have all the software you want, do anything you want, have all the libraries of musics of a lifetime with much better sound quality and control (I have a good soundcard and a very high power 505W RMS 5.1 connected to the PC that shakes everything down) and a All-in-one machine like no other so it's definitely worth the price even though PC parts are now way more expensive than back in 2011 which is sad...
    I already saw that PS5 prototype quite a few time ago, but doesnt mean PS5 will be anything like it and I hope it's not because I also don't like it...

    From all I saw I actually prefer the Slightly Mad Studios Alienware like design lol:

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    It's supossed to have like a oled touch screen in the front and a oled screen hidden in the controller, it's a bit over exaggerated console, but so far from all the crap shown Slightly Mad Studios really MAD design seem to be winning garbage by garbage...

    I wish all next gen consoles looked just as simple as a Xbox One slightly less big, nothing more, nothing less without many fancy crap and something that can be fitted anywhere like under my TV or wherever...

    PS: Just hope Slightly Mad Studios console doesn't get any good exclusives since they want to release the console a bit after PS5 and Next Gen Xbox and want the console to be the most powerful one out there and it wouldn't be funny to have to buy yet another console, PS5 and PC (which is an Xbox already) is enough for me, though most likely Slightly Mad Studios just wanted some fame and will probably never release any console since they need a huge amount of $$$€€€ and then they are barely known in the gaming industry with very little games and 0 consoles so good luck for them to compete against M$ and Sony and even if they release it, they are kinda unknown to most console gamers in terms of consoles and good luck bringing a lot of devs to their platform too...
    Yep, you explained it pretty well exactly the same problem I would have with such a crappy ugly super tall portable dehumidifier or portable air conditioner like design console, I don't even have anywhere to fit it unless on the ground and under the bed only LOL

    I have basically a 2.5 by 2.5 meters room with a desktop for the PC completely full, I have my own custom handmade table all in metallic black table for the TV and under the TV there's a PS4 Pro and the IP TV Box and not much space left, then I already have 2x 5.1 speakers (the ones connected to the PC are quite big and heavy and setup for the PC only siding the monitor and the other 5.1 are a way crappier Trust GTX Tytan 5.1 for the PS4 Pro and are setup for console gaming only siding the TV) and another 2.1 speakers connected to the TV, and under the table I have another smaller table like which has the Xbox 360 and it's not even tall enough to fit that ugly Next Gen console...

    And I'm also planning to buy another 5.1 high power Hi-Fi HUGE speakers and a receiver and will take all the space in my room and I don't even know where I would put the receiver even though its even smaller than the next gen Xbox its kinda similar to a Xbox One 1st gen...

    THIS IS MY CURRENT SETUP:
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    There's just no way such ugly tall tower garbage would fit in my room unless under the bed on the ground or outside the window LOL and I even plan to upgrade my Samsung 43 inch 4K TV to OLED at some point when they get cheaper and for example the LG C9 already takes all the space from my custom handmade table and I don't even know where I would put the PS4 Pro lol can't even imagine something massively tall...
     
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