Micro SD (TransFlash) = Read & Write

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  1. lookout
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    If you new to buy a flash card for nintendo DS lite (supercard lite, M3 lite micro, DSlink, etc)
    you properly need to know your SD (Secure Digital) card size's here

    Some of you think flash card could slow game and video in our development Kits.
    simple answer, yes they do - amount of data speed: reading (loading) / writing (saving) data
    effect slowdown or skip druing game intro (video) or druing playing.



    Speed/access time between the 512/1gb/2gb versions can be difference slow from 2%


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    SanDisk Micro SD / TransFlash
    Read: 8.2MB/sec
    Write: 7.7MB/sec
    Price tag: median

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    SanDisk Ultra II Micro SD (TransFlash):
    Read: 10MB/sec
    Write: 9MB/sec
    Price tag: high

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    Kingston Micro SD:
    Read: 8.8MB/sec
    Write: 6.5MB/sec
    Price tag: low

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    Toshiba Micro SD:
    Read: 8.8MB/sec
    Write: 6.5MB/sec
    Price tag: low

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    Integral Micro SD
    Read: 8.8MB/sec
    Write: 6.5MB/sec
    Price tag: median

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    kingmax micro SD (Black)
    Read: 11MB/sec
    Write: 9MB/sec
    Price tag: median

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    kingmax micro SD
    Read: 12.5MB/sec
    Write: 10.2MB/sec
    Price tag: median

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    Twinmos micro SD
    Read: 10MB/sec
    Write: 8MB/sec
    Price tag: high


    *Price tag for 512MB - Yr 2006 - below
    ( 1GB or 2GB can cost double +35% for 1GB / 55% for 2GB - price's can be drop after every year to -15%)

    Price tag: Low = £12 to £19 / USD $21 to $25 / EUR $18 to $28
    Price tag: median = £15 to £20 / USD $27 to $37 / EUR $22 to $30
    Price tag: High = £17 to £24 / USD $32 to $45 / EUR $25 to $35

    Info Update:

    * Most buyer has or have brought SanDisk Micro reason of well known brand?
    * DSLink company has reported kingmax micro are recommended to uesd on development Kits.


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    info from maxconsole.net
    credit to: FifthE1ement = member of maxconsole and GBATEMP

    Memory:

    They were tested in a Polar White, US, DS Lite with a SuperKey and PassCard3.

    SanDisk 1GB microSD:
    Spec. Speeds – Read = 60X (9MB/sec) – Write = 12X (1.8MB/sec)
    HD Tach Speeds – Read = 61X (9.3MB/sec) – Write = 16X (2.4MB/sec) – Access Time = 1.1m/s


    SanDisk Ultra II 1GB microSD:
    Spec. Speeds - Read = 66X (10MB/sec) – Write = 60X (9MB/sec)
    HD Tach Speeds – Read = 73X (11.1MB/sec) – Write = 67X (10.2MB/sec) – Access Time = 1.0m/s

    ATP ProMax 2GB miniSD:
    Spec. Speeds – Read = 150X (22.5MB/sec) – Write = 100X (15MB/sec)
    HD Tach Speeds – Read = 170X (25.7MB/sec) – Write = 113X (17.1MB/sec) – Access Time = 1.0m/s

    SanDisk 2GB miniSD:
    Spec. Speeds - Read = 60X (9MB/sec) – Write = 12X (1.8MB/sec)
    HD Tach Speeds - Read = 60X (9.1MB/sec) – Write = 15X (2.2MB/sec) – Access Time = 1.2m/s

    *Spec. Speeds = Manufacturer Specification Speeds - HD Tach Speeds = HD Tach Speed Results

    The flash media list above was all clean formatted to FAT (Windows XP Pro spec) then tested with HD Tach v3.0.1.0 for speed results. The tests were performed on a P4 3.0C GHz, 1GB PC3200 DC DDR, Radeon 9800 Pro, USB 2.0, PC running Windows XP Pro and on a SanDisk ImageMate 12-in-1 USB 2.0 card reader. My goal was to determine if buying faster flash media would give the flashcart better performance, resulting in less slowdown and lag. Is faster rated flash media worth the extra money and do they give the flashcart an extra performance boost or do they really matter? Read on to find out!

    *the red high light that i sure about with the info speed i have above and the info he tested?

    SanDisk 1GB microSD:
    Read: 9MB/sec
    Write: 1.8MB/sec it very slow?



    DS Game Performance:


    For DS game performance I backed up some of the most graphically intensive and most popular games on the DS. Animal Crossing: Wild World, Tony Hawk: American Sk8land, and Metroid Prime: Hunters were all big releases on the system and almost every DS owner owns at least one of the games. REMEMBER – you must own the original cart to play a backup ROM, even this is frowned upon in some regions, so please check prior!

    Animal Crossing: Wild World*:

    Opening Credits after pressing start as “Welcome” type comes on the screen:

    SuperCard Lite with SanDisk 1GB microSD: 9/10
    SuperCard Lite with SanDisk Ultra II 1GB microSD: 10/10
    SuperCard miniSD with ATP ProMax 2GB miniSD: 6/10
    SuperCard miniSD with SanDisk 2GB miniSD: 4/10
    Real Game Cart: 10/10

    Exiting a building while holding any direction on the digital pad:

    SuperCard Lite with SanDisk 1GB microSD: 9/10
    SuperCard Lite with SanDisk Ultra II 1GB microSD: 10/10
    SuperCard miniSD with ATP ProMax 2GB miniSD: 7/10
    SuperCard miniSD with SanDisk 2GB miniSD: 5/10
    Real Game Cart: 10/10

    Load times while entering and exiting buildings and menu system navigation:

    SuperCard Lite with SanDisk 1GB microSD: 10/10
    SuperCard Lite with SanDisk Ultra II 1GB microSD: 10/10
    SuperCard miniSD with ATP ProMax 2GB miniSD: 9/10
    SuperCard miniSD with SanDisk 2GB miniSD: 8/10
    Real Game Cart: 10/10

    Tony Hawk: American Sk8land:

    Normal gameplay slowdown with music transitions:

    SuperCard Lite with SanDisk 1GB microSD: 9/10
    SuperCard Lite with SanDisk Ultra II 1GB microSD: 10/10
    SuperCard miniSD with ATP ProMax 2GB miniSD: 9/10
    SuperCard miniSD with SanDisk 2GB miniSD: 7/10

    Menu system navigation and load times:

    SuperCard Lite with SanDisk 1GB microSD: 10/10
    SuperCard Lite with SanDisk Ultra II 1GB microSD: 10/10
    SuperCard miniSD with ATP ProMax 2GB miniSD: 9/10
    SuperCard miniSD with SanDisk 2GB miniSD: 7/10

    Metroid Prime: Hunters*:

    Fast free-look (moving the screen around rapidly):

    SuperCard Lite with SanDisk 1GB microSD: 10/10
    SuperCard Lite with SanDisk Ultra II 1GB microSD: 10/10
    SuperCard miniSD with ATP ProMax 2GB miniSD: 9/10
    SuperCard miniSD with SanDisk 2GB miniSD: 7/10
    Real Game Cart: 10/10

    Multiple player battle in “Large” maps with high visibility and weapons fire:

    SuperCard Lite with SanDisk 1GB microSD: 9/10
    SuperCard Lite with SanDisk Ultra II 1GB microSD: 9/10
    SuperCard miniSD with ATP ProMax 2GB miniSD: 8/10
    SuperCard miniSD with SanDisk 2GB miniSD: 7/10
    Real Game Cart: 9/10

    Menu system navigation and load times:

    SuperCard Lite with SanDisk 1GB microSD: 10/10
    SuperCard Lite with SanDisk Ultra II 1GB microSD: 10/10
    SuperCard miniSD with ATP ProMax 2GB miniSD: 8/10
    SuperCard miniSD with SanDisk 2GB miniSD: 7/10
    Real Game Cart: 10/10
     


  2. lookout
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    update the: Micro SD (TransFlash) = Read & Write topic 0.1.2v (beta) 5/sep/06

    + add kingmax micro SD (black) there are 2 version out there.
    + price tags and cost
    + Thank to FifthE1ement results test
     
  3. omegatr0n

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    damn that kingmax card is kickin ass
     
  4. pte

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    Only thing that really and actually matters is the access time. Please include that as well and I would really have some use for this [​IMG]

    Kingston has a 2.5ms one when Sandisk has 1.1 with the regular version and ultra II has 1.0ms. So Kingston sucks, at least mine does.
     
  5. lenselijer

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    Is there also a difference in speed/access time between the 512/1gb/2gb versions?
     
  6. karamu

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    that kingmax has some nice speeds, how is the compatibility with say the supercard lite? does it have slow access compared to other TF cards
     
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    On another forum a moderator stated that in his tests the performance with a Kingmax card and a SCL was exactly the same as it was with his G6 Lite.
     
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    I'm using the kingmax and I've had no slowdown problems. It was quite cheap too.
     
  9. pte

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    And just to add Kingmax has a 0.8ms accesstime.
     
  10. azndragonguy115

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    the kingmaxx 128mb has perfect castlevania intro on my friends super card lite.

    i like this thread, but it hink you should post access times.

    and is there a thread for minisd?
     
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    Perhaps you can perform this game tests with the new V27 Firmware? I have heard of a great improvment in speeds with this new firmware, even on low read/write cards... [​IMG]
     
  12. FifthE1ement

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    Damn, dude don't steal my results without giving me credit. All test results from MaxConsole are from my SuperCard Lite review.

    Also the 2GB SanDisk microSD has the same read/write speeds as the regular 1GB version but has much slower access times which results in slowdown on even the SuperCard Lite Castlevania test.

    I also have more info about buying flash media on my homebrew and flashcart guide here:

    http://forums.maxconsole.net/showthread.php?t=27045

    Enjoy,

    FifthE1ement [​IMG]
     
  13. yee

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    Yeah, I noticed parts of it were familiar, and was just waiting for your reaction.
     
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    if you noticed parts of it were familiar, you should noticed there a part familiar were his info linked to
    and what reaction going do with you? if he like want me to remove his info test - that fine.


    yes I should put credit to "FifthE1ement" went I posted his flash card test here
    FifthE1ement has some excellent flashcart guide in maxconsole. why not here?
     
  15. yee

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    I really don't understand your English. All I said it was familiar and I was awaiting FifthE1ement's response because I knew it most likely taken from his guide. Plus, you didn't have credit for him until he saw it.
     
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    I have the guide on MaxConsole but am working on a downloadable PDF version with pictures and more information!

    FifthE1ement [​IMG]
     
  17. lenselijer

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    I used hdtune on my microsd card.

    Kingston 512mb microsd:
    Average: 4.3mb/sec
    Access Time: 0.7ms

    I got no slowdown on Castlevania intro on dslink and m3 lite.
     
  18. pte

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    That can't be a regular Kingston, you probably have a Kingmax? Kingston gives 2.5ms access time to it by themselves and the other Kingstons (including mine) have sucked hard.
     
  19. FifthE1ement

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    hdtune sucks, you need to use hdtach as they provide real results. That access time is impossible for a kingston card... hell its impossible for any microSD on the market now.

    FifthE1ement [​IMG]
     
  20. lenselijer

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    I followed your advice:

    Quick Bench and Long Bench gave the same results:
    Burst Speed: 4.8 MB/s
    Average Read: 4.7 MB/s
    Access Time: 0.7 ms

    Is it because I use a good usb2.0 cardreader?