Men’s Group wins lawsuit. U.S. Women may be forced to be drafted to wars.

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  1. SG854
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    Thoughts?

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  2. Glyptofane

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    Funny, but terrible idea. Aside from maybe office work, unless that's what they're talking about, women are a dangerous liability on the battlefield.
     
  3. Lacius

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    I fixed that for you.
     
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  4. Glyptofane

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    Sexism may be part of my concern, but there's more to it. It's bad enough that we have plenty of men coming back psychotic and suicidal over wars that serve no national purpose. This is not the kind of equal right women are looking for even if it is well deserved after years of militant feminism. It's not really their fault afterall, as they are just victims of brainwashing.
     
  5. Lacius

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    Plenty of women want draft equality. There's an argument to be made that we'll be more respectful of the draft if women are also subject to the draft.

    Forgive me if I didn't follow you correctly, but are you arguing that a woman who doesn't agree with you is necessarily brainwashed?
     
  6. Glyptofane

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    Only the ones who organize to commit to the destruction of their own race.
     
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    Fair is fair... But I can't help to think of this as a crabs in the barrel mentality. Almost like, "If I have to die for my country, you have to die for my country!".
     
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    In your opinion, how are people committing to the destruction of their own race?
     
  9. tatripp

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    Women shouldn't have to participate in the draft. That's stupid and inefficient.
     
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  10. Lacius

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    Why not?
     
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  11. Glyptofane

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    Supporting nonsense like this lawsuit is a good start. It's Sunday though and I want to drink, not write an essay that I'll have to reword over and over again before posting in order to avoid a ban.
     
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    What about this lawsuit will lead to the destruction of a race?

    Don't get me wrong. Men's rights organizations like the NCFM are actually nonsensical, but I also support equality under the law.
     
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    I'll probably get some heat for this but bear with me for a second.

    Here's the thing : if feminism is really about equal rights, then it is a great day for feminism. And if it isn't... Then it's not really worth pursuing.

    The thing with rights is that it always comes with responsibilities. And the way I've come to learn about feminism is that there's quite some push in areas where women are either behind or perceived behind, they lobby hard to even up. These are other discussions and heavily debated ones. But in other fields - and this is one of them - there's open discrimination for no other reason than that this was always the case

    I'm also reminded of the first South Park movie. In it there's a war. And the American side just makes sure that all the afro Americans are in the front lines (even strapped to the tanks).it's basic discrimination, and it's comedy because it's so over the top. But at the same time : why are it always boys and men who are sent out to do the dangerous stuff? It's not like soldiers WANT to be in a war zone, and the politicians who start wars are never in the front lines.

    And .. I hope I'm not too cynical, but perhaps the risk of women dying on the battlefield will make for some stronger anti war lobbying.

    (but in a final note : exactly which battlefield? Nowadays wars are done by using drones and airstrikes. What was called the second Iraqi war was just the USA slaughtering up the place. It was so uneven you had more casualties from friendly fire than from the enemy)
     
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    Equality to become murderers, mentally ill for life, or outright dead though. I guess the less extreme case is that they become career military people traveling the world whoring themselves out and never starting a family.

    That's what's humorous about it. Normally, I support the resistance known as Men's rights, at least the idea, but I don't think this will accomplish what they think it will. In practice, it's shaping up to be as idiotic as any other special interest group.
     
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    I'm noticing there isn't an argument against this ruling that can't also be used as an argument against the draft in general.

    The men's rights movement is largely misogynistic and usually supports inequality skewed in favor of men. Since men aren't a marginalized group, the movement typically doesn't address any real issues.
     
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    Thoughts? Okay, it shouldn't be like that, but if it happens everyone will deal it with it, 'done. (IMO a better question is if this is right.)
     
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  17. Glyptofane

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    The draft is bad for men, worse, at least in my opinion, for women.

    Men and women are equal in that they are equally important to the survival of their species, not that they are equal when it comes to any and every determinable skill.

    I consider any group that already has a negative birthrate, the lowest population on the planet and is being systematically replaced to be marginalized. We don't need another factor for women to be disposed of like trash.
     
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    Because women are a liability on the battlefield. Also, as long as there are able-bodied men, it is unjust to draft women.
     
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    Unjust? Who told you it was? Apparently the majority agrees that it's okay, and the majority rules, so when the majority say it's okay they say it's okay. (Doesn't mean it's right though.)
     
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    From what I have seen from the men's right activist group, most of the men seem to genuinely feel victimized and think that they are being treated unfairly by many groups. I think that this stunt they are pulling is misogynistic or at the very least is just intended to point out hypocrisies in feminism.

    This might not apply to you, but I find it funny that people who talk about marginalized groups are usually very anti-man. They assume that men have no issues and are causing all of the problems of the world. I have never seen any evidence for this whatsoever. When I ask for evidence,they make valid claims about disparities in statistics and then use those claims as proof of marginalization. Example: Blacks are incarcerated disproportionately more than whites; therefore, blacks are marginalized. Statistical disparity is not a good measure of marginalization.

    After they make these claims, they refuse to identify disparities that disagree with their world view. Here is a list of a few examples of why men may be marginalized:
    1) Women are graduating at a higher rate than men from college
    2) Way more men are in prison than women
    3) Men typically get less custody of children than women
    4) Men have more workplace deaths than women
    5) Male athletes get paid proportionally less than women when you compare ticket sales (generally)

    I guess my question to you is this--why do you assume women are a marginalized group while men aren't? I can understand the argument that neither group is marginalized. I can understand the argument that both groups are marginalized. I just can't understand how women can be viewed as marginalized in the US while men are not.
     
  21. Glyptofane

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    He's right. It's supposed to be innate. Everyone knows if anyone has to die, it should always be men first.
     
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