So it seems the "I'm just on facebook for funny pictures and contests" line I first saw around here years ago, and observed equivalents of in other places ever since, has started to come home to roost in terms of hard numbers ( https://www.convinceandconvert.com/social-media-measurement/facebook-usage-declined-3-reasons/ ). Various reports are out saying that among certain age groups usage is dropping. Still a ridiculously high percentage of the population but shrinking never the less. In many cases the alternative is facebook's own instagram thing (not exactly a clone but not a radical departure either) but oh well.
While it does mean we might have to revisit a favourite xkcd what if https://what-if.xkcd.com/69/ I am taking it as confirmation of my usual adage when it comes to tech of "wait long enough and everything is a fad".
An offhand remark made in a few places discussing this news is that the kids might be leaving/not joining is because they have some understanding of privacy, and Facebook has had a few issues with that one. This seems odd given my experiences on https://gbatemp.net/threads/online-identity.379375/ (GBAtemp's give a go at doxxing me thread) and in general. Most articles did not go too much further as it was more interesting to ponder the effects it is having on certain businesses (years ago we saw some changes nail Zynga, and nowadays it seems a few clickbait "news" sites are also struggling) but that stuck with me.
Some years ago there was a kind of famous, at least in certain circles, rant about how kids, now having grown up with computers, don't actually know how they work beyond a superficial level. http://www.coding2learn.org/blog/2013/07/29/kids-cant-use-computers/ is it.
I would agree with a lot of that and to my mind it seems akin to expecting everybody to be a mechanic because their generation saw essentially every household own a car, and later on then often two or more. A pity really as more people with practical skills is always nice to see.
Anyway so the kids of today I have not seen knowing things like http://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm , Moscow Rules, general tradecraft, counterintelligence ( https://www.cia.gov/library/center-...lligence/kent-csi/vol45no5/html/v45i5a08p.htm ), countersurveillance , general computer security concepts (much less the overwhelming desire to use them -- that Telegram application would be considerably more popular if so, or indeed proper signing, encryption and whatever else) and if that thread is anything to go by then even by a fairly self selected group of people inclined to push their computers a bit then offensive ops in the computer realm are also a bit of a mystery (most things I showcases in said thread were not novel, radical, the results of intense computing power, the results of serious training or much of anything really), for more general then The African Rebel series does not do much more and still gets awestruck people. At the same time I don't view it as an entirely baseless claim either.
The idea of this thread then is to start to thrash out the privacy equivalent of the understanding of computers above. I don't have anything terribly cohesive at this point but things I would probably start with to spiral out from:
Some knowledge of TOR, maybe as not great a desire to share everything, some knowledge of VPNs, somehow thinking the likes of peerblock are useful, maybe they heard to harangue the webmasters of their favourite sites about chucking a token SSL up there, maybe they have some idea of cryptocurrency (even if most of that is a get rich quick scheme), passwords can be a fun one as I see various things here from liking password managers to some understanding of things that won't be found in seconds with rainbow tables. There might be some tendency towards magic bullet thinking, as opposed to the "security is an ongoing journey".
While it does mean we might have to revisit a favourite xkcd what if https://what-if.xkcd.com/69/ I am taking it as confirmation of my usual adage when it comes to tech of "wait long enough and everything is a fad".
An offhand remark made in a few places discussing this news is that the kids might be leaving/not joining is because they have some understanding of privacy, and Facebook has had a few issues with that one. This seems odd given my experiences on https://gbatemp.net/threads/online-identity.379375/ (GBAtemp's give a go at doxxing me thread) and in general. Most articles did not go too much further as it was more interesting to ponder the effects it is having on certain businesses (years ago we saw some changes nail Zynga, and nowadays it seems a few clickbait "news" sites are also struggling) but that stuck with me.
Some years ago there was a kind of famous, at least in certain circles, rant about how kids, now having grown up with computers, don't actually know how they work beyond a superficial level. http://www.coding2learn.org/blog/2013/07/29/kids-cant-use-computers/ is it.
I would agree with a lot of that and to my mind it seems akin to expecting everybody to be a mechanic because their generation saw essentially every household own a car, and later on then often two or more. A pity really as more people with practical skills is always nice to see.
Anyway so the kids of today I have not seen knowing things like http://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm , Moscow Rules, general tradecraft, counterintelligence ( https://www.cia.gov/library/center-...lligence/kent-csi/vol45no5/html/v45i5a08p.htm ), countersurveillance , general computer security concepts (much less the overwhelming desire to use them -- that Telegram application would be considerably more popular if so, or indeed proper signing, encryption and whatever else) and if that thread is anything to go by then even by a fairly self selected group of people inclined to push their computers a bit then offensive ops in the computer realm are also a bit of a mystery (most things I showcases in said thread were not novel, radical, the results of intense computing power, the results of serious training or much of anything really), for more general then The African Rebel series does not do much more and still gets awestruck people. At the same time I don't view it as an entirely baseless claim either.
The idea of this thread then is to start to thrash out the privacy equivalent of the understanding of computers above. I don't have anything terribly cohesive at this point but things I would probably start with to spiral out from:
Some knowledge of TOR, maybe as not great a desire to share everything, some knowledge of VPNs, somehow thinking the likes of peerblock are useful, maybe they heard to harangue the webmasters of their favourite sites about chucking a token SSL up there, maybe they have some idea of cryptocurrency (even if most of that is a get rich quick scheme), passwords can be a fun one as I see various things here from liking password managers to some understanding of things that won't be found in seconds with rainbow tables. There might be some tendency towards magic bullet thinking, as opposed to the "security is an ongoing journey".