Hacking jTAG/RGH Temperatures.

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Trinities and Coronas barely suffer from RROD.
Unless you purposely block the air circulation in those consoles.

Keep temperatures below 60c and you'll be fine (which is not hard to achieve on Slims)

Well thats the thing, this is what makes this info really interesting for Corona/Trinity. We know that they dont really suffer from RROD (red dot), so we know that whatever tresholds MS set are good to keep/have. So that makes it that much more interesting to see what MS set so we know to stay at those is good and below even better. if MS set Trinity to keep 80C, and they dont suffer from RROD (red dot), then we know keeping 75 is great. No need to run fans extra loud and wear out the bearings needlessly.
 

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You're not wearing out the fan bearings by upping the the fanvoltage.
They're designed for 12v.

That statement makes no sense. Its a mechanical device the more RPM = more wear, thats just physics. The fact that its designed for 12v means very little as well. We know that 360 uses variable voltage to run/adjust the fan according to the temps. The fan was designed, built and tested to work under normal working conditions, meaning not at full power, without Johnny or Timmy going in there and cranking it up, in fact there is probably a nice Gaussian distribution graph at MS dev test showing how the fan will perform for the lifespan of the console (to MS this is probably 7 to 10 years) under 40 to 60% voltage. And at the high end of the statistical support distribution it likely has terrible life expectancy E(X=x).

All the physics and statistics aside though, the lower RPM on the fan the quieter the box is. Surely everyone wants the quietest box possible.
 

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Even at lower revs, they'll die one day.
Lowering the fan voltage to save the fans instead of your hardware is idiotic

If you don't want them to die, go for watercooling.
That’s like saying you should downshift to slow your vehicle rather than using the brake pedal.

Ergo, you wanna replace a clutch, or brakes?
 

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Even at lower revs, they'll die one day.
Lowering the fan voltage to save the fans instead of your hardware is idiotic

If you don't want them to die, go for watercooling.

Who is choosing between saving fans or hardware? You seem a bit too black and white on this issue without any gray area. Running it at needlessly high RPMs is also idiotic. Running a desktop CPU at 70C is perfectly acceptable... you could crank up your fans and get it down to 50C but thats just a waste of electricity and needless wear on the fans and your ears.

Like I said initially, even if you take all of the good engineering reasons not to crank up your fans it is still very beneficial to find the sweet spot where you keep your fans only as fast as they need to be to reduce noise. Finding that sweet spot should be easy with simple deduction as I already outlined. We know that Slims arent prone to RROD. We need to find out the stock cooling profiles put in them by MS and then just undercut it by a percentage. Like lets say 5 degrees. That would make it so that you are saving both fans and the hardware, and on top of that your ears. A MUCH better solution than the one you are proposing which is "Fuck the fans and my ears, cool it as much as you can", thats like using a sledgehammer to kill a fly.
 

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Fans only use a watt or 2 on power ;')
Saving on electricity is the dumbest reason I ever heard ;')

Just set the fan speed to 65% or something similar and keep the temps below 55c.

Thats a brute force approach. I dont like it.

And again you seem to type up a response before reading what I said and thinking about it. Ill repeat myself for the 3rd time, in as plain words as I can.... the main reason is noise. 65% fan is crazy loud even if you replace the fan with a ball bearing one as opposed to the sleeve bearing.

Also knowing PowerPC architecture and its heat operating range, trying to keep it at 55C with air is not very smart.
 
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Thats a brute force approach. I dont like it.

And again you seem to type up a response before reading what I said and thinking about it. Ill repeat myself for the 3rd time, in as plain words as I can.... the main reason is noise. 65% fan is crazy loud even if you replace the fan with a ball bearing one as opposed to the sleeve bearing.

Also knowing PowerPC architecture and its heat operating range, trying to keep it at 55C with air is not very smart.
If noise bothers you then do what you like. You can set target temps in Dashlaunch as well besides static fan speeds. That’s what I do, but I still go for 55ish temps. There’s no performance issues. I blast my sounds so I don’t notice the fans. Some folks use headphones.

Also, it’s not the Power PC Xenon CPU you’re trying to keep temps down on, it’s the ATI Xenos GPU. It runs hot and you can extend its lifespan by keeping it ran at cooler temps. Especially if it still has non-lead solder underneath.

MS engineering, or any engineering isn’t as reliable or foolproof as you’d like to believe. There’s a difference between looking good on paper and performing acceptably in real world application. Otherwise you wouldn’t have recalls.

In the end, it’s your console so you do what you want with it. We’re just sharing our own experiences that yielded the most satisfactory results thus far.
 
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If noise bothers you then do what you like. You can set target temps in Dashlaunch as well besides static fan speeds. That’s what I do, but I still go for 55ish temps. There’s no performance issues. I blast my sounds so I don’t notice the fans. Some folks use headphones.

Also, it’s not the Power PC Xenon CPU you’re trying to keep temps down on, it’s the ATI Xenos GPU. It runs hot and you can extend its lifespan by keeping it ran at cooler temps. Especially if it still has non-lead solder underneath.

MS engineering, or any engineering isn’t as reliable or foolproof as you’d like to believe. There’s a difference between looking good on paper and performing acceptably in real world application. Otherwise you wouldn’t have recalls.

In the end, it’s your console so you do what you want with it. We’re just sharing our own experiences that yielded the most satisfactory results thus far.

Right, and I dont trust MS's engineering one bit, what I do trust is statistics, so whatever MS put in as tresholds was a good config. I am just trying to find out what it is to use as baseline.
 

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If you don't trust MS's engineering, then why do you trust MS's statistics?

Mate, why are you purposely being difficult?
All we do here is try to advice you to up the fans a bit so you can enjoy your console longer.

Im sorry Im not trying to be difficult. Its just what you are telling me I already know. I asked a specific question and you guys are just saying that what I want to know is not important and I should not care. Think about it from my perspective. Im fine with dropping it though. At this point I am convinced that the info is simply not available.
 

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Temps on my v3 falcon (that's what it's identified as from nand) taken using the temperature log plugin for dashlaunch at 20 second intervals. Ignore date as I don't really bother to set it.

Idling on freestyle

11/22/2005 12:00:13 TitleLoaded:\Device\Harddisk0\Partition1\Freestyle\FreestyleDash.xex
11/22/2005 12:00:13 CPU:33.8359 GPU:29.5156 MEM:34.6328 BRD:20.5742
11/22/2005 12:00:24 CPU:34.2227 GPU:30.7070 MEM:35.7344 BRD:20.8008
11/22/2005 12:00:44 CPU:35.5469 GPU:32.4609 MEM:37.6641 BRD:21.1367
11/22/2005 12:01:04 CPU:36.5156 GPU:33.7344 MEM:39.0859 BRD:21.4063
11/22/2005 12:01:24 CPU:37.3125 GPU:34.6992 MEM:40.1094 BRD:21.6055
11/22/2005 12:01:44 CPU:37.8711 GPU:35.4102 MEM:40.9453 BRD:21.7617
11/22/2005 12:02:04 CPU:38.3516 GPU:35.9297 MEM:41.5117 BRD:21.8516
11/22/2005 12:02:24 CPU:38.6992 GPU:36.3477 MEM:41.9609 BRD:21.9492
11/22/2005 12:02:44 CPU:38.9844 GPU:36.6992 MEM:42.2891 BRD:22.0313
11/22/2005 12:03:04 CPU:39.1602 GPU:36.9648 MEM:42.5547 BRD:22.1133
11/22/2005 12:03:24 CPU:39.3594 GPU:37.1211 MEM:42.7656 BRD:22.1602
11/22/2005 12:03:44 CPU:39.4648 GPU:37.2656 MEM:42.9570 BRD:22.2500
11/22/2005 12:04:04 CPU:39.5273 GPU:37.3750 MEM:43.0781 BRD:22.2773
11/22/2005 12:04:24 CPU:39.6641 GPU:37.4102 MEM:43.1406 BRD:22.2852
11/22/2005 12:04:44 CPU:39.6563 GPU:37.5117 MEM:43.2070 BRD:22.3047
11/22/2005 12:05:04 CPU:39.7305 GPU:37.5195 MEM:43.2344 BRD:22.3398

Cut off the log there as it's a pretty long log and that's the point it stopped getting warmer.

Under load playing assassins creed 2

11/22/2005 12:28:33 TitleLoaded:\Device\Harddisk0\Partition1\Games\Assassins Creed 2\default.xex
11/22/2005 12:28:33 CPU:41.5352 GPU:38.8945 MEM:44.7891 BRD:24.0508
11/22/2005 12:28:45 CPU:40.9805 GPU:38.7109 MEM:44.6055 BRD:24.0781
11/22/2005 12:29:05 CPU:41.2930 GPU:40.6406 MEM:46.6328 BRD:24.0430
11/22/2005 12:29:25 CPU:41.3867 GPU:42.2969 MEM:48.3438 BRD:24.0625
11/22/2005 12:29:45 CPU:41.5781 GPU:43.3945 MEM:49.5352 BRD:23.9883
11/22/2005 12:30:05 CPU:42.5352 GPU:43.7422 MEM:49.6094 BRD:24.1445
11/22/2005 12:30:25 CPU:41.8516 GPU:43.6953 MEM:49.7461 BRD:24.1172
11/22/2005 12:30:45 CPU:42.2383 GPU:43.9883 MEM:50.1211 BRD:24.1445
11/22/2005 12:31:05 CPU:42.1641 GPU:44.5313 MEM:50.7070 BRD:24.1172
11/22/2005 12:31:25 CPU:42.2617 GPU:44.5313 MEM:50.7148 BRD:24.1445
11/22/2005 12:31:45 CPU:42.2695 GPU:44.6875 MEM:50.8906 BRD:24.1953
11/22/2005 12:32:05 CPU:42.2813 GPU:44.6406 MEM:50.8438 BRD:24.2422
11/22/2005 12:32:25 CPU:42.3359 GPU:44.6602 MEM:50.8516 BRD:24.2070
11/22/2005 12:32:45 CPU:43.0586 GPU:44.6406 MEM:50.5703 BRD:24.2148
11/22/2005 12:33:05 CPU:43.0156 GPU:44.9766 MEM:51.1016 BRD:24.2148
11/22/2005 12:33:25 CPU:43.2461 GPU:45.4336 MEM:51.3398 BRD:24.3164
11/22/2005 12:33:45 CPU:43.3633 GPU:45.3164 MEM:51.1563 BRD:24.3320
11/22/2005 12:34:05 CPU:43.5117 GPU:45.1953 MEM:51.1836 BRD:24.3242
11/22/2005 12:34:25 CPU:43.4063 GPU:44.6797 MEM:50.6602 BRD:24.3438
11/22/2005 12:34:45 CPU:43.6484 GPU:44.8438 MEM:50.8789 BRD:24.4688

Gears of war 3

12/12/2011 21:19:57 TitleLoaded:\Device\Harddisk0\Partition1\Games\Gears Of War 3\default.xex
12/12/2011 21:19:57 CPU:37.6602 GPU:34.0977 MEM:39.4336 BRD:22.4648
12/12/2011 21:20:04 CPU:38.6680 GPU:34.3906 MEM:39.5781 BRD:22.4648
12/12/2011 21:20:24 CPU:38.7422 GPU:35.7930 MEM:41.0273 BRD:22.7734
12/12/2011 21:20:44 CPU:39.2969 GPU:37.6016 MEM:43.1133 BRD:22.9375
12/12/2011 21:21:04 CPU:41.0742 GPU:37.5938 MEM:43.0039 BRD:23.0000
12/12/2011 21:21:24 CPU:41.2734 GPU:38.3555 MEM:43.7930 BRD:23.0898
12/12/2011 21:21:44 CPU:41.3359 GPU:37.9922 MEM:43.6445 BRD:23.2383
12/12/2011 21:22:04 CPU:41.2422 GPU:39.1406 MEM:44.5078 BRD:23.3086
12/12/2011 21:22:24 CPU:41.2188 GPU:40.7031 MEM:46.2734 BRD:23.3633
12/12/2011 21:22:44 CPU:41.8086 GPU:42.1133 MEM:47.7773 BRD:23.4727
12/12/2011 21:23:04 CPU:41.8281 GPU:43.4141 MEM:49.1211 BRD:23.5273
12/12/2011 21:23:24 CPU:42.4492 GPU:43.3398 MEM:48.9297 BRD:23.6523
12/12/2011 21:23:44 CPU:42.5039 GPU:43.5781 MEM:49.3320 BRD:23.7344
12/12/2011 21:24:04 CPU:42.8086 GPU:44.1406 MEM:49.8008 BRD:23.7969
12/12/2011 21:24:24 CPU:42.9219 GPU:45.0977 MEM:50.7813 BRD:23.8359
12/12/2011 21:24:44 CPU:43.0586 GPU:45.3320 MEM:51.0078 BRD:23.9453
12/12/2011 21:25:04 CPU:43.1523 GPU:45.2148 MEM:50.9922 BRD:24.0352
12/12/2011 21:25:24 CPU:43.2891 GPU:45.6133 MEM:51.4219 BRD:24.0625
12/12/2011 21:25:44 CPU:43.3828 GPU:45.5977 MEM:51.4297 BRD:24.0977

These are winter temps and it's a little cold in my room, so for balance some summer temps.

Freestyle idling in summer

11/22/2005 12:00:14 TitleLoaded:\Device\Harddisk0\Partition1\Freestyle\FreestyleDash.xex
11/22/2005 12:00:14 CPU:38.2695 GPU:34.0625 MEM:39.2578 BRD:25.5000
11/22/2005 12:00:24 CPU:38.5625 GPU:35.2930 MEM:40.3672 BRD:25.7656
11/22/2005 12:00:44 CPU:39.8672 GPU:36.8555 MEM:42.1055 BRD:26.0078
11/22/2005 12:01:04 CPU:40.9258 GPU:38.0391 MEM:43.3906 BRD:26.1914
11/22/2005 12:01:24 CPU:41.6602 GPU:38.9102 MEM:44.3516 BRD:26.3086
11/22/2005 12:01:44 CPU:42.2383 GPU:39.6133 MEM:45.1289 BRD:26.5156
11/22/2005 12:02:04 CPU:42.6289 GPU:40.1484 MEM:45.6875 BRD:26.6719
11/22/2005 12:02:24 CPU:42.9766 GPU:40.5313 MEM:46.1445 BRD:26.6992
11/22/2005 12:02:44 CPU:43.2578 GPU:40.8477 MEM:46.4766 BRD:26.7344
11/22/2005 12:03:04 CPU:43.4180 GPU:41.1055 MEM:46.7422 BRD:26.8594
11/22/2005 12:03:24 CPU:43.5117 GPU:41.3320 MEM:46.9883 BRD:26.9688
11/22/2005 12:03:44 CPU:43.8047 GPU:41.3594 MEM:47.0156 BRD:26.9531

Castlevania

11/22/2005 12:01:09 TitleLoaded:\Device\Harddisk0\Partition1\Games\CastleVania\Default.xex
11/22/2005 12:01:09 CPU:43.3438 GPU:41.0313 MEM:46.7305 BRD:26.7344
11/22/2005 12:01:24 CPU:43.6563 GPU:41.1211 MEM:46.2188 BRD:26.9063
11/22/2005 12:01:44 CPU:43.5742 GPU:42.9492 MEM:48.3633 BRD:26.7148
11/22/2005 12:02:04 CPU:44.3398 GPU:44.3867 MEM:49.9375 BRD:26.9063
11/22/2005 12:02:24 CPU:44.0156 GPU:46.0898 MEM:51.7891 BRD:26.9141
11/22/2005 12:02:44 CPU:44.2578 GPU:47.2617 MEM:52.9766 BRD:27.0234
11/22/2005 12:03:04 CPU:44.4570 GPU:48.1992 MEM:53.8945 BRD:27.0859
11/22/2005 12:03:24 CPU:44.6250 GPU:48.8516 MEM:54.6250 BRD:27.1523
11/22/2005 12:03:44 CPU:44.8008 GPU:49.2617 MEM:55.0742 BRD:27.1875
11/22/2005 12:04:04 CPU:44.9922 GPU:49.7266 MEM:55.6602 BRD:27.2578
11/22/2005 12:04:24 CPU:45.0117 GPU:49.8633 MEM:55.7539 BRD:27.3047
11/22/2005 12:04:44 CPU:45.2539 GPU:50.0742 MEM:55.8984 BRD:27.3672
11/22/2005 12:05:04 CPU:45.3398 GPU:50.3008 MEM:56.1563 BRD:27.4219
11/22/2005 12:05:24 CPU:45.4023 GPU:50.4375 MEM:56.3008 BRD:27.4961

Gears of war 3 just after it came out when the weather was a bit warmer.

11/22/2005 12:25:44 TitleLoaded:\Device\Harddisk0\Partition1\Games\Gears Of War 3\default.xex
11/22/2005 12:25:44 CPU:46.4609 GPU:43.9063 MEM:49.6367 BRD:29.0352
11/22/2005 12:26:03 CPU:46.7461 GPU:43.8242 MEM:49.2578 BRD:29.0625
11/22/2005 12:26:23 CPU:46.2539 GPU:45.3320 MEM:51.1367 BRD:29.0977
11/22/2005 12:26:46 CPU:46.3672 GPU:46.4414 MEM:52.1719 BRD:29.1602
11/22/2005 12:27:06 CPU:46.6719 GPU:46.4805 MEM:52.2617 BRD:29.0430
11/22/2005 12:27:26 CPU:46.5977 GPU:46.9414 MEM:52.7852 BRD:29.2969
11/22/2005 12:27:46 CPU:46.7656 GPU:47.8984 MEM:53.6563 BRD:29.2070
11/22/2005 12:28:06 CPU:46.8516 GPU:48.9336 MEM:54.7734 BRD:29.2266
11/22/2005 12:28:26 CPU:46.8398 GPU:49.5703 MEM:55.5039 BRD:29.2344
11/22/2005 12:28:46 CPU:47.3672 GPU:49.1445 MEM:54.9023 BRD:29.3164
11/22/2005 12:29:06 CPU:47.5234 GPU:49.7344 MEM:55.6055 BRD:29.3359
11/22/2005 12:29:26 CPU:47.1133 GPU:50.1719 MEM:56.0742 BRD:29.3789
11/22/2005 12:29:46 CPU:47.5742 GPU:50.4805 MEM:56.4023 BRD:29.4961
11/22/2005 12:30:06 CPU:47.8906 GPU:50.4180 MEM:56.3477 BRD:29.4883
11/22/2005 12:30:26 CPU:48.0820 GPU:51.0547 MEM:56.9141 BRD:29.5352
11/22/2005 12:30:46 CPU:48.2266 GPU:51.4531 MEM:57.3906 BRD:29.6250


Fans are at 70% in fsd and I have a 120mm intake fan instead of a dvd drive.
Sorry for the revive, but do you possibly have a link for the plugin you used to log your temps?
 

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Sorry for the revive, but do you possibly have a link for the plugin you used to log your temps?

I wouldn't worry if you have temp thresholds. I have my cpu, gpu, and ram set to 60 degrees C. I'm using a falcon too. sure, it's somewhat loud, but I've never had a problem with my jtag for about 12 years. I no longer play it, just test things for people.
 

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I don't have the plugin in question or else I'd upload it. I'm only using one plugin, and that's to download artwork when there was an issue for both FSD and Aurora around April. it worked without a problem where before FSD would crash due to some problem on their end.

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I'm also using the fakenaim plugin, but that's not in the plugin section. one of my friends said that it's been known to corrupt the nand, but I've been using it for like 7 years (always reinstall it with each nand update), and I've never encountered that problem. I left the bootanim.xex in with the latest dash kernel, so it shows both on my system. I was just too lazy to rename it or delete it from the flash.
 

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This is the plugin that generates those log files.

https://digiex.net/threads/agm-temp...rature-of-your-jtagged-xbox-360-in-game.9525/

I don't know if it works with the newer dashes & don't know if it works with slim consoles, also iirc it makes the built in disc swap plugin in fsd stop working (uses the same memory space or something like that). There was only ever that one release.

Not sure the compatibility issue was ever fixed on the dash side (doubt it), but the temperature log and Disc Swapper 1.1 plugin, do work fine together, so you can use that to swap your discs if you wanted to use it for some reason.
 
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I have XBOX 360 E with a corona board
My CPU was around 80 - 83 C
I upped the fan to 55% ... and it is now at 60 -70 C
60% fan speed seems too loud for me.
Is 60-70 C safe temps?
 
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