Joe Biden Wins - Becomes 46th president of the United States

[smf]

Oh my god are you *still* on about whether or not "old man makes advances on actress who is playing a role as if she were underage" constitutes engaging in pedophilic behavior?

I'm not a fan of recount dracula, but they asked her if Rudy had been told she was underage (to be clear she isn't actually underage) and she said that she wasn't involved with booking Rudy and she didn't know what he'd been told. This implies she didn't tell him and if anyone had then I assume they would have made a big deal about it.

He didn't ask, but then again nothing seems to have happened either.

Fact check: Biden doesn't like to fondle pre-teen breasts.

How do you know that? And then again, how could he? He could say that he's not tempted to try.

You're instructed what to think as opposed to Conservatives that are educated on how to think for themselves.

You've got that the wrong way round. Trump tells you what to think, while liberals think it's a far more complex issue with pros and cons on both sides that need to be thought about. Conservatives don't like that, they want to copy the same decision they've always made no matter whether it makes any sense any more & get it over with. Conservatives have no patience, Trump claimed victory before enough votes had been counted for anyone to claim victory.

I was reading about the possibility that Trump could pardon himself, or he could resign and Pence become president and he could pardon Trump for any and all crimes. This is kinda worrying as he deserves to go to jail, but (and this is a big but) accepting the pardon means you accept the guilt.

I don't think Trump is big enough to accept that he is guilty of anything ever.

 

[Lacius]

I posted this:



And almost immediately after you posted this:



I asked you if you were talking about me, because it seemed like you were cowardly branding me instead of addressing the heart of the argument. It made you look more interested in reinforcing an "us vs. them" narrative than to be genuine.

My argument stands as this:

"It is posited that there was was wide spread voter fraud. By the President.

If there was wide-spread voter fraud, then it is assumed there is evidence."

The President has higher stakes in making a claim, which makes what he is saying more tangible than @Lacius no-stakes claim that "the President is lying". The "zero evidence" claim is just a way of saying there is no such thing as wide-spread voter fraud.

I have said that I don't know--I can't know at this moment. I have said that @Lacius cannot be held accountable for the things he is saying, so it's just a no-stakes game for him to sound authoritative.







That's false.

It was in direct response to "Texas Social Worker Charged With 134 Felony Counts Of Elections Fraud" and if you paid attention to the mugshot, you could see that it is obviously a joke.





This was a break from the typical pedantic argument for the sake of some comedy relief. It just seems like you aren't really paying attention. I'll let it slide.

The President is making the positive claim that there's widespread voter fraud. As there's no evidence of widespread voter fraud, that claim is not to be believed.

 

[Ev1l0rd]

I'm not a fan of recount dracula, but they asked her if Rudy had been told she was underage (to be clear she isn't actually underage) and she said that she wasn't involved with booking Rudy and she didn't know what he'd been told. This implies she didn't tell him and if anyone had then I assume they would have made a big deal about it.

He didn't ask, but then again nothing seems to have happened either.

It still... isn't a great look. Like, even if we read this at it's best and give Rudy the benefit of the doubt here (and I'm probably giving him a lot more than he deserves), he still behaved in a very inappropriate way around someone many years his minor.

As far as nothing happened, the only reason nothing really uhm... sexual happened was because Cohen/Borat interfered for a gag. He still got caught putting his hands in his pants though.

I was reading about the possibility that Trump could pardon himself, or he could resign and Pence become president and he could pardon Trump for any and all crimes. This is kinda worrying as he deserves to go to jail, but (and this is a big but) accepting the pardon means you accept the guilt.

I don't think Trump is big enough to accept that he is guilty of anything ever.

It's very unlikely that he'll ever accept defeat in any way, and I think that includes giving Pence the office of president to give him a pardon. The man is too much of a narcissist to ever accept defeat.

 

[tabzer]

The President is making the positive claim that there's widespread voter fraud. As there's no evidence of widespread voter fraud, that claim is not to be believed.

He implicates himself as a witness or at least an agency of evidence. He has a deadline to abide by. I don't know what he knows, or his plan. You seem to believe that you know. Please tell us what the president knows.

 

[gregory-samba]

this entire thread....no the entire subforum went to hell over a biden win let me spell it out to trump supporters YOU LOST DEAL WITH IT LIKE AN ADULT

Have you ever heard of the electoral college? They've yet to vote on the 2020 election and their vote makes Biden's win official. No one has won or lost just yet. Sure, the media is claiming someone won, but they don't decide who wins and who loses. I suggest you read up on the electoral college because their vote is what decides who the next President is and they haven't voted yet.

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You've got that the wrong way round. Trump tells you what to think, while liberals think it's a far more complex issue with pros and cons on both sides that need to be thought about. Conservatives don't like that, they want to copy the same decision they've always made no matter whether it makes any sense any more & get it over with. Conservatives have no patience, Trump claimed victory before enough votes had been counted for anyone to claim victory.

No, you have it the wrong way around. Liberals are mindless sheep controlled by a select few who have control over most institutions in the USA including the education system and the main stream media. Unlike what you assume Conservatives don't hang on Trump's every last word as we understand his Twitter is used as a trolling platform to infuriate the dumb leftists that keep falling for his games. We think for ourselves and value each other's input. My original stance still stands so I'll repeat it.

You're a Liberal so of course you don't see what's really going on because you've been instructed not to think about such things. Liberals don't value the individual and that includes the individuals thoughts. You're instructed what to think as opposed to Conservatives that are educated on how to think for themselves. You yourself couldn't even list 1 single thing that Trump did that you agree with and this is a symptom of not being able to think for yourself as your peers would attack you and your so called friends would abandon you for doing something you're not allowed to do. Liberals try to champion their superior critical thinking skills, but you can't possibly critically think because what you're allowed to think about is only a small fraction of the possible things you could be pondering. You're literally controlled by your peers and their thought control groups.

You take orders from your news media, celebrities and politicians and would be outcast for thinking or saying certain things by the establishment and your peers. You're told what you should be outraged about, why you should be outraged and what you should do about the outrage on subjects that don't even involve you or effect your personal life. You seek to be part of a system that doesn't value individuals or independent thinking and wants a central source (Government) to control every aspect of your lives because you're too damned scared to think and take risks for yourself. You need to be included in something and unfortunately the groups of people you want to be included in are lying and cheating sinners that will turn on you the second you say something you're not allowed to or start to think for yourself.

You yourself and other Liberals on this board also will go to great lengths to not admit they are wrong even when the truth, like what I just typed, is presented to you. You're programmed to automatically label and reject things by calling them racist, *phobic or conspiracy theories. What I observe from you and others hasn't changed as you do not have the ability to think for yourself and that includes admitting when you're wrong.

You're also wrong about Biden as Biden has also declared victory, but neither Trump or Biden have won or lost anything until the people who decide who won or lost vote. The electoral college hasn't voted yet so the winner has not been decided.

https://www.businessinsider.com/how-the-electoral-college-works-timeline-2020-8?op=1

Also before this time back in 2016 the Liberals were already planning to impeach Trump regardless of any wrong doing as they planned on impeaching him since before he even became the Republican nominee — as early as April 2016. I would say it would be fair game now to start talking about impeaching the child groping person that is most likely going to be the next President of the United States.

https://www.breitbart.com/the-media...mpeachment-7-months-before-trump-was-elected/

I know you might not like the source to the above link, but that's becase you're programmed by your peers and media to automatically dismiss things before even reading them if they are labeled with certain "code words" and this site falls under your attack vector. However, the information is correct. You just don't like the site because it shines truth on your lies (click link or see below url).

https://nypost.com/2019/10/13/inside-the-medias-relentless-crusade-to-destroy-president-trump/

 

[Lacius]

He implicates himself as a witness or at least an agency of evidence. He has a deadline to abide by. I don't know what he knows, or his plan. You seem to believe that you know. Please tell us what the president knows.

There is no evidence of widespread voter fraud. The claims made by Trump have repeatedly been debunked.

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Have you ever heard of the electoral college? They've yet to vote on the 2020 election and their vote makes Biden's win official. No one has won or lost just yet. Sure, the media is claiming someone won, but they don't decide who wins and who loses. I suggest you read up on the electoral college because their vote is what decides who the next President is and they haven't voted yet.

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No, you have it the wrong way around. Liberals are mindless sheep controlled by a select few who have control over most institutions in the USA including the education system and the main stream media. Unlike what you assume Conservatives don't hang on Trump's every last word as we understand his Twitter is used as a trolling platform to infuriate the dumb leftists that keep falling for his games. We think for ourselves and value each other's input. My original stance still stands so I'll repeat it.



You're also wrong about Biden as Biden has also declared victory, but neither Trump or Biden have won or lost anything until the people who decide who won or lost vote. The electoral college hasn't voted yet so the winner has not been decided.

https://www.businessinsider.com/how-the-electoral-college-works-timeline-2020-8?op=1

The election is over. The votes have largely been counted. Biden is the president-elect. You are correct the Electoral College hasn't met, but they are bound by the results of their states.

 

[Ev1l0rd]

You are correct the Electoral College hasn't met, but they are bound by the results of their states.

Sadly there's a few earmarks to that statement.

• It's true that it's legal to make laws to prevent electors from being faithless (SCOTUS has upheld this opinion fairly recently). That said, not every state has laws against faithless electors, making those an option.
• Technically, lawmakers could overturn the results of their local elections by passing laws specifically designed to do so. The procedure of giving a "winner takes all" procedure to allocating electors is set per state, not nationally. Some Republican lawmakers have said (notably, DeSantis) that if their state doesn't turn Red, they'll do what they can to just appoint Republican electors anyway.
• The legal grounds for that second one are rather dubious though, and I think you'll quickly see a lot of anger and outrage if that happens as well.

So in related news; the Electoral College fucking sucks.

 

[AmandaRose]

Trump and his Republican allies want to spend more energy fighting non-existent voter fraud than containing a virus that has killed 244,000 Americans and counting. This is simply despicable.

The cost of this misplaced attention is incalculable. While Covid-19 surges to record levels, there’s still no national strategy in America for equipment, stay at home orders, mask mandates or disaster relief.

The other cost is found in the millions of Trump voters who are being led to believe the election was stolen and who will be a hostile force for years to come – making it harder to do much of anything the nation needs, including actions to contain the virus.

Trump is continuing this charade because it pulls money into his newly formed political action committee and allows him to assume the mantle of presumed presidential candidate for 2024, whether he intends to run or merely keep himself the center of attention.

Leading Republicans like Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell are going along with it because donors are refilling GOP coffers.

Every one of them should be ashamed of thier actions.

 

[gregory-samba]

So in related news; the Electoral College fucking sucks.

It sucks to Liberals because they can't cheat and control it. They have to sit back and watch the electors vote for the will of the people in each State giving each State a say in who wins or who loses. Your side never had a problem with the electoral college in the past when your candidates won, it's just recently in 2016 you all threw hissy fits over it because your candidate lost.

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Trump and his Republican allies want to spend more energy fighting non-existent voter fraud than containing a virus that has killed 244,000 Americans and counting. This is simply despicable.

The cost of this misplaced attention is incalculable. While Covid-19 surges to record levels, there’s still no national strategy in America for equipment, stay at home orders, mask mandates or disaster relief.

The other cost is found in the millions of Trump voters who are being led to believe the election was stolen and who will be a hostile force for years to come – making it harder to do much of anything the nation needs, including actions to contain the virus.

Trump is continuing this charade because it pulls money into his newly formed political action committee and allows him to assume the mantle of presumed presidential candidate for 2024, whether he intends to run or merely keep himself the center of attention.

Leading Republicans like Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell are going along with it because donors are refilling GOP coffers.

Every one of them should be ashamed of thier actions.

Trump let Governments of each State control their own virus response. I understand "orange man bad, must blame orange man", but if you want to blame someone maybe you should blame the actual people responsible for making the decisions. The Governors of each State have overseen their respective States response. Some did quite well and others not so much. If Trump would have tried to control every States response you'd call him a tyrant and fascist because after all "orange man bad, who cares who's really responsible". As for Trump's limited federal response. Trump formed a task force and shut down the borders in January 2020 and all the Liberals did was simply attack him and call him racist over his actions ... actions which saved millions of lives.

However, "orange man bad" is the only logic you'll get out of the retarded Liberal left.

 

[tabzer]

He implicates himself as a witness or at least an agency of evidence. He has a deadline to abide by. I don't know what he knows, or his plan. You seem to believe that you know. Please tell us what the president knows.

The claims made by Trump have repeatedly been debunked.

Deflection when I do it. What is it called when you do it? Why would Trump make claims about Dominion if he has nothing to substantiate them?

 

[Lacius]

Deflection when I do it. What is it called when you do it? Why would Trump make claims about Dominion if he has nothing to substantiate them?

Your guess is as good as mine as to why Trump is behaving like a petulant child. Regardless, Trump and his legal time have not provided any evidence of widespread voter fraud.

 

[KingVamp]

It sucks to Liberals because they can't cheat and control it. They have to sit back and watch the electors vote for the will of the people in each State giving each State a say in who wins or who loses. Your side never had a problem with the electoral college in the past when your candidates won, it's just recently in 2016 you all threw hissy fits over it because your candidate lost.

Not sure why we (as in everyone) should be OK with a popular vote gap so large being undermined just because they happen to live in the wrong areas. Also, apparently NPVIC was drafted in 2006.

 

[Lacius]

Not sure why we (as in everyone) should be OK with a popular vote gap so large being undermined just because they happen to live in the wrong areas. Also, apparently NPVIC was drafted in 2006.

There are many reasons to ditch the Electoral College, and there are no good reasons to keep it.

 

[notimp]

There are many reasons to ditch the Electoral College, and there are no good reasons to keep it.

Well one... Listening to the outcome of economic policy in the (mostly) rural parts of the US - first.

 

[Lacius]

Well one... Listening to the outcome of economic policy in the (mostly) rural parts of the US - first.

Could you be a little more specific?

 

[notimp]

Could you be a little more specific?

Prevents 'min/maxing' for outcomes in big metropolises (in national economic planning/policies).

 

[UltraSUPRA]

This is why we have the Electoral College.

 

[Lacius]

This is why we have the Electoral College.
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Your picture doesn't clearly articulate a reason why we have the Electoral College.

 

[gregory-samba]

Not sure why we (as in everyone) should be OK with a popular vote gap so large being undermined just because they happen to live in the wrong areas. Also, apparently NPVIC was drafted in 2006.

Since we live in a constitutional republic you are free to have your own opinion, but "we" isn't part of the deal. You're free to think what you want, but I believe the electoral college is better than allowing a bunch of dope fiends in mega cities to choose elected officials while the rest of the country is torn to shreds by their Liberal policies. Unfortunately Biden will most likely be the next President and I hope to God I'm wrong about what his policies will do to the country, but if Los Angles, New York, Chicago and Detroit are any indication we're headed down a dark road of sin, decay, misery and despair.

 

[RandomUser]

Someone in this thread mentioned something about slavery, something about mistreatment, or something along that line:
I'd like to point out that even people of color also owned slaves as well.
https://historyengine.richmond.edu/episodes/view/6699
https://slate.com/news-and-politics...s-people-trot-out-about-slavery-debunked.html