Joe Biden Wins - Becomes 46th president of the United States

[gregory-samba]

Yeah, them pesky soyboys relying on things like facts and evidence! If only those authenticity-based sheeple can open their third eyes and only accept what Q and the 45th tells them only then will they realize the truth!

I think you have Liberals and Conservatives mixed up as we don't bark and sit on command.

 

[Joom]

I think you have Liberals and Conservatives mixed up as we don't bark and sit on command.

This coming from a bootlicker and someone whose party said "stand back and stand by". Yeahwhateveryousaybruh.

The weak can win if they are lucky. Biden has dementia.

This is the biggest "no u" I've ever seen. Just say "I lost" instead of making yourself look like an even bigger idiot. You call us weak, but you bend so easily. Like, you *still* feel it necessary to make a Biden comment because you have nothing else. I. Don't. Care. About. Biden. Also, there's no such thing as luck. That's loser talk. For the weak to overcome the strong means the strong is weak and the weak is strong.

 

[notimp]

ironically this means corporations are guzzling renewables since they are cheaper than FF sources across the board now.

Wrong, they are in energy production, they arent overall (storage, transportation, initial investment, 'stability' (have to build gas power plants, or more storage and much more capacity (during the day) for night time)). edit: And they arent profit wise, since you need an efficiency increase in consumption as the first (most cost effective) step - of a green transition, (and you can make a whole lot of oil byproducts, after refining, that you can 'sell'). Thats why there is a racket going on, f*cking over the public.

You need something akin to a CO2 tax (making fossile fuels increasingly more expensive) for corp investment/innovation to shift. And since everyone is talking 'how important' but nobody is putting up initial investment (partly because more efficiency increases are expected in production) - you now have literal initiatives that nudge your parents to move into green investing. (At least in the EU.)

Looking at that, makes me sick.

You have to look at investment size of energy companies. Those are the ones that are supposed to shift bigtime. But currently they are still waiting for others to build electrical grids (in Europe first step is to make them larger, for load balancing (cheaper renewable energy from the south, and also to make them smart (make the user a slave to apps that tell them when they can wash clothes (just as a thought model ).), and put up R&D for solar, f.e.
Eventually they will shift - but in the US this could take another 20 years.

(And some of this will be offset by 'live a little less' initiatives. (Dont own a car, dont buy goods, dont believe in production of physical goods, circular economies...))

 

[gregory-samba]

But claiming widespread voter fraud with no evidence before all the votes are even in is fine, right?

While there is evidence of voter fraud I do agree Trump should have waited for the end count before challenging the numbers. It makes no sense for the Liberals/Democrats or Conservatives to act before the count is done.

 

[Joom]

While there is evidence of voter fraud I do agree Trump should waited for the end count before challenging the numbers. It makes no sense for the Liberals/Democrats or Conservatives to act before the count is done.

Hell just froze over. A Trumper just back pedalled. The current evidence is very minuscule. I'll admit that there's been fraud, but on an incredibly small scale. One of the most famous examples is the Republican woman trying to vote twice by claiming she never voted to begin with. There's also the supposed social worker in Texas, but I have yet to find a verifiable source on this. Even then, she supposedly only interfered with some 140 votes or so, which isn't indicative of widespread fraud. Though, I feel these small time publications pulled a mugshot from a Facebook post and used it to create a story seeing as the reverse image lookup only returns their articles. The city of the county I live in also loves to spotlight people for petty crimes on their Facebook (my arrest photo is out there, good luck finding it), which is an abhorrent practice, but anyone could have found a picture of someone from the weekly beat report and used some poor soul to spin up a story of voter fraud. A black woman from a small Texas town isn't going to pursue slander litigation, so she'd be the perfect scapegoat to push a voter fraud narrative for a conservative media consumption demographic.

Fraud aside, though, what about the systemic voter suppression? Like closing polling locations in minority neighborhoods and delisting black voters? I know for a fact that this has happened, because I know people from Atlanta who voted in the primaries who had to re-register to vote in the election.

 

[gregory-samba]

Hell just froze over. A Trumper just back pedalled. The current evidence is very minuscule. I'll admit that there's been fraud, but on an incredibly small scale. One of the most famous examples is the Republican woman trying to vote twice by claiming she never voted to begin with. There's also the supposed social worker in Texas, but I have yet to find a verifiable source on this. Even then, she supposedly only interfered with some 140 votes or so, which isn't indicative of widespread fraud. Though, I feel these small time publications pulled a mugshot from a Facebook post and used it to create a story seeing as the reverse image lookup only returns their articles. The city of the county I live in also loves to spotlight people for petty crimes on their Facebook (my arrest photo is out there, good luck finding it), which is an abhorrent practice, but anyone could have found a picture of someone from the weekly beat report and used some poor soul to spin up a story of voter fraud. A black woman from a small Texas town isn't going to pursue slander litigation, so she'd be the perfect scapegoat to push a voter fraud narrative for a conservative media consumption demographic.

Fraud aside, though, what about the systemic voter suppression? Like closing polling locations in minority neighborhoods and delisting black voters? I know for a fact that this has happened, because I know people from Atlanta who voted in the primaries who had to re-register to vote in the election.

I doubt that there's widespread fraud in this election or widespread systemic voter suppression. It's not racist to require an identity to vote. Frankly, if you think minorities are too stupid to obtain a ID and register to vote then stand in line then you're a racist fuck.

As for the examples of fraud you listed, I'm not aware of anything more than Trump claiming there is fraud as I haven't looked into it myself. Just like the normal news for the past 4 years I would highly question the validity of any news that comes from left learning sources. Most of the time it's fabricated and completely made up.

 

[Joom]

It's not racist to require an identity to vote.

That's not what I'm talking about, though. I'm also not claiming racism. I'm talking about voters who were already registered to vote, and voted in the primaries, but had to re-register for the election. I stated this. I'm also talking about polling locations in majority black and Hispanic communities being shut down, thus resulting in these polling locations with 6+ hour long lines. It's voter suppression, plain and simple. I'm not arguing for unregistered voters, which is quite obvious, and it's disingenuous of you to imply so.

@UltraSUPRA, go to bed. I'm gonna call your dad if you don't.

 

[notimp]

I doubt that there's widespread fraud in this election or widespread systemic voter suppression.

True, there is wide spread systemic voter suppression. Now - how would you do that? By what metrics could you identify, what a person would vote, before they are voting?

Race. education level (attention, when targeting, better target a small group - or it becomes too obvious, so students are better, than people with college diplomas), ...

Trailerpark ownage? (Sorry ) Remember, that you dont have 'owns a trailerpark' in your voter records. (Same as with education level "student", but you could infer that from age and address).

So which group - was suppressed by democrats. At least give us that. The Trump campaign ought to have told you by now. Surely.

(But strangely, all they are saying is 'dead people' (which would be fraud, not suppression) - which is an issue in voter registries in general (they arent always as up to date - in terms of delisting people when they died), but not one that becomes a huge problem, also generally speaking.

Because - to 'abuse' that, you would need to make a fake ID, under the name of a known person thats dead, but not delisted, and then vote twice (or 50 times, with different IDs in different voting centers), which is a 'manipulation method' that doesnt scale.

And its also not that likely - that a dead person sill has an active home address (what would landlord do?), someone knows about and demands a mail voting slip, and then fishes that one out of... That also doesnt scale - to 'systemic fraud potential'.

If we condense this 'dead people' is an explanation for the stupid. (If not followed up with specifics) - which if we sum that up, means there is someone trying to pull a racket, to rile some people up, over not that much.

Oh, and please - provide us with an indication, which voter groups you would suppress - as democrats. Because the easier to target groups (blacks, students), all vote the wrong way.

 

[gregory-samba]

That's not what I'm talking about, though. I'm talking about voters who were already registered to vote, and voted in the primaries, but had to re-register for the election. I stated this. I'm also talking about polling locations in majority black and Hispanic communities being shut down, thus resulting in these polling locations with 6+ hour long lines. It's voter suppression, plain and simple. I'm not arguing for unregistered voters, which is quite obvious, and disingenuous of you to imply so.

I stated nothing disingenuous as most Liberal Democrats want illegal aliens to vote for their side and if history is any indication voter fraud usually comes from the left. So you're local polling stations had some issues you think are voter suppression, but having to wait in a long line isn't suppression. Maybe there's some other reason why some of your local polls had to close. There could also be a simple reason why some people had to re-register to vote. The thing is for it to be widespread it'd have to happen in more locations than just your local place as those sorts of issues didn't happen where I live and voted. You also claimed in your previous post that I'm a Trump supporting backpedaler, but to backpedal I'd first have to have taken the opposite stance on the issue and that's not something I had done.

 

[Joom]

I stated nothing disingenuous as most Liberal Democrats want illegal aliens to vote

And here I was thinking we could finally have a civil discussion. @UltraSUPRA, here's the imaginary boogieman I was talking about. See this guy? He just completely discredited his own argument by creating strawmen.

Anyway, I'm tired of doing this. We're not discussing anything that is actually beneficial to the advancement of our country as a whole, so I'm out.

 

[gregory-samba]

True, there is wide spread systemic voter suppression. Now - how would you do that? By what metrics could you identify, what a person would vote, before they are voting?

Race. education level (attention, when targeting, better target a small group - or it becomes to obvious, so students are better, than people with college diplomas), ...

Trailerpark ownage? (Sorry ) Remember, that you dont have 'owns a trailerpark' in your voter records. (Same as with education level "student", but you could infer that from age and address).

So which group - was suppressed by democrats. At least give us that. The Trump campaign ought to have told you by now. Surely.

(But strangely, all they are saying is 'dead people' - which is an issue in voter registries in general (they arent always as up to date - in terms of delisting people when they died), but not one that becomes a huge problem, also generally speaking.

Because - to 'abuse' that, you would to make a fake ID, under the name of a known person thats dead, but not delisted, and then vote twice (or 50 times, with different IDs in different voting centers), which is a 'manipulation method' that doesnt scale.

If we condense this 'dead people' is an explanation for the stupid. (If not followed up with specifics) - which if we sum that up, means there is someone trying to pull a racket, to rile some people up, over not that much.

Oh, and please - provide us with an indication, which voter groups you would suppress - as democrats. Because the easier to target groups (blacks, students), all vote the wrong way.

California will you vote in local elections without having to be an American citizen and with their stance on illegal immigration I wouldn't doubt some dead Democrats have risen from the ashes to vote. California also allows illegals to get drivers licenses so that could contribute to fraud.

 

[emigre]

I doubt that there's widespread fraud in this election or widespread systemic voter suppression. It's not racist to require an identity to vote. Frankly, if you think minorities are too stupid to obtain a ID and register to vote then stand in line then you're a racist fuck.

Voter suppression is well established in the US. There is evidence that voter ID rules in the US disproportionately disadvantage minority groups. That's the real issue with US elections rather than unproven fraud. THE SCLU have a decent page on this.

 

[gregory-samba]

Voter suppression is well established in the US. There is evidence that voter ID rules in the US disproportionately disadvantage minority groups. That's the real issue with US elections rather than unproven fraud. THE SCLU have a decent page on this.

Having to show an ID when you register to vote is not disproportionately hurting minority groups. All that is required is to obtain an ID, show that ID when you register to vote and then go stand in line and vote. You claiming minorities are too stupid to do what the rest of us have to do just shows how racist you are against said minorities.

 

[notimp]

California will you vote in local elections without having to be an American citizen and with their stance on illegal immigration I wouldn't doubt some dead Democrats have risen from the ashes to vote. California also allows illegals to get drivers licenses so that could contribute to fraud.

The dead people voting problem doesnt scale. See above. (When you need ID.)

So lets say in your scenario, this is a potential reason, why 'they' would get california.

California isnt challenged in terms of outcome I believe.

So find me a reason for four states (that arent California) (best a reason they have in common), that could be exploited - systemically.

edit: Also 'non americans allowed to vote' still doesnt mean, they wouldnt have to have ID. Which is why this doest match up with the 'dead people' scenario.

 

[emigre]

Having to show an ID when you register to vote is not disproportionately hurting minority groups. All that is required is to obtain an ID, show that ID when you register to vote and then go stand in line and vote. You claiming minorities are too stupid to do what the rest of us have to do just shows how racist you are against said minorities.

I am an ethnic minority...

Also bravo, not reading the link which clearly outlines this.

 

[Joom]

Having to show an ID when you register to vote is not disproportionately hurting minority groups. All that is required is to obtain an ID, show that ID when you register to vote and then go stand in line and vote. You claiming minorities are too stupid to do what the rest of us have to do just shows how racist you are against said minorities.

Obvious troll is obvious. Also, imagine joining a video game forum just to talk politics. Check @gregory-samba's post history. Pretty sure he's a sock puppet for someone else.

 

[notimp]

Oh, and let me answer one of my questions. 'How would you suppress votes - if you dont have groups that are that easy to target?'

Answer: You make groups that are easy to target.
Which is what gerrymandering is about.

You custom design voting districts, that have nothing to do with real districts (how state districts borders look like), by 'who is likely to vote for one party ('where do the rich people live')' - and then you suppress the other group. (Less voting centers, less voting booths, ...)

Issue . Republicans dominated that racket since inception. They went for it, while Dems always were like - who cares, we got multi ethnicity, which is a group thats growing. As it turns out, they dont. But hey...

 

[gregory-samba]

I am an ethnic minority...

Also bravo, not reading the link which clearly outlines this.

There's nothing magical about voting. I don't need to read your garbage link when the process is very simple. You register to vote with your ID then go vote. It's that damned simple. I don't need to read long drawn out opinions highlighting why racist people think minorities are too stupid to follow a simple process.

I also don't care what color your skin is as any color can be racist against another.

 

[Joom]

You register to vote with your ID then go vote

Even though there's a grace period between registering and the ability to vote in many states. You know this, right? In Alabama, we're not allowed to vote until after 14 business days upon registering. Anyway, I've already reported you for being a racist ("minorities are too stupid to vote right") and an obvious sock puppet. Every one of your posts are in this section, and you don't involve yourself in video game discussion at all, which is the point of this site. You also have Mel Gibson as your avatar, so you just reek of gym sock troll. I hate that I called you out as a troll a month ago and am still arguing with your bullshit.

 

[tabzer]

I don't need to read long drawn out opinions highlighting why racist people think minorities are too stupid to follow a simple process.

I've already reported you for being a racist ("minorities are too stupid to vote right") and an obvious sock puppet.

What he said wasn't racist. He is saying how people are racist by thinking like that. It's pretty easy to read. I don't know how that can confuse someone.

Ah. You need sleep.