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Joe Biden Wins - Becomes 46th president of the United States

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I admit, I am a bit surprised of such an exaggerated statement from you, dear sir. These claims of voter fraud have simply dissolved once challenged; the lawsuits are vanishing, along with public and political support. So what exactly do you fear?
 

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I admit, I am a bit surprised of such an exaggerated statement from you, dear sir. These claims of voter fraud have simply dissolved once challenged; the lawsuits are vanishing, along with public and political support. So what exactly do you fear?
The goal of Trump is to get the courts to throw out legitimately cast votes. I don't know what else you would call it.

Edit: To be clear, I know nothing can or will come of this, and I am not afraid of anything happening.
 

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Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the (Democratic) Party is always right.
 

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Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the (Democratic) Party is always right.
If you are going to argue that there has been widespread voter fraud, put up or shut up. It's that simple.
 

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They owe it to the donors that invested in the campaign
Is that why Trump is pocketing 60% from the "Election Defense Fund" to pay off campaign debts? Not enough donors to begin with or something?

Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the (Democratic) Party is always right.
You're the victim of double-speak, or you have Stockholm syndrome one, I swear. All of you conservatives act like a beaten spouse. Just keep ignoring Trump's education curriculum of "American Exceptionalism" and the "1776 Project". You wanna talk about book burnings? It's the Republicans doing it. I'm sorry you believed the lie. I'm sorry that you believe that the left are out to get you just because a fascist convinced you that a non-existent boogieman exists. Hopefully one day, you reach an age of reason and begin to question authority and the actions of those who control your life.
 

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If you are going to argue that there has been widespread voter fraud, put up or shut up. It's that simple.
Exactly. It's clear Ultra wants to offer a rebuttal, but he has nothing new to add that wasn't debunked already, so instead he attacked a superficially similar point (i.e. Democratic Party's honesty) .
Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the (Democratic) Party is always right.
Speaking of Alternative Facts:
  • Windmills cause cancer
  • Climate Change is a Chinese hoax
  • Obama wasn't born in the US
  • B-b-but... Obama's birth certificate isn't real!
  • Obama plays too much golf
  • The national debt will be paid off over a period of 8 years
  • Mexico's going to pay for the wall
  • There are very fine people on both sides
  • We have Covid under control
  • B-b-but... Covid will go away by summer!
  • Ted Cruz stole the Iowa caucus
  • The Democrats rigged the 2016 election
  • The Democrats rigged the 2020 election, too!
 
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Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the (Democratic) Party is always right.
Hypocritical much when Trump has been destroying Whitehouse documents illegally and his staff have had to tape them back together.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trump-official-documents-destroy-white-house-staff-repair-presidential-records-national-archives-a8392856.html?amp
 
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You're the victim of double-speak, or you have Stockholm syndrome one, I swear. All of you conservatives act like a beaten spouse. Just keep ignoring Trump's education curriculum of "American Exceptionalism"
What's wrong with nationalism?
and the "1776 Project".
What's wrong with history?
You wanna talk about book burnings? It's the Republicans doing it.
Examples?
I'm sorry you believed the lie. I'm sorry that you believe that the left are out to get you just because a fascist convinced you that a non-existent boogieman exists. Hopefully one day, you reach an age of reason and begin to question authority and the actions of those who control your life.
Four years of being called racist, sexist, xenophobic, fascist, etc. and you think that the people like you being out to get us is a lie.
  • Windmills cause cancer
We're talking about Trump, not Quixote. When did Trump say that windmills cause cancer?
  • Climate Change is a Chinese hoax
1. While it is true that the climate is changing, there is no proof that we're the problem.
2. If we are the problem, the solution is nuclear energy. Even Joom agrees with me on that.
  • Obama wasn't born in the US
  • B-b-but... Obama's birth certificate isn't real!
I remember Trump asking Obama about his birth certificate. I don't remember Trump saying it isn't real.
  • Obama plays too much golf
What?
  • The national debt will be paid off over a period of 8 years
  • Mexico's going to pay for the wall
I wonder why that didn't happen...could it be that you screeched at him the entire time?
  • There are very fine people on both sides
Context matters.
  • We have Covid under control
  • B-b-but... Covid will go away by summer!
I will admit that Trump may have under-reacted a bit with the COVID, but not to the extent that the media has been overreacting.
  • Ted Cruz stole the Iowa caucus
What?
  • The Democrats rigged the 2016 election
  • The Democrats rigged the 2020 election, too!
Is it also a conspiracy to say that the Russians did?
 
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What's wrong with nationalism?
Basically, it reduces transaction flows, which reduces wealth. Innovation.

Currently distribution of wealth is off, and innovation isnt looked for structurally in highly developed countries, where the population will shrink (roughly).

(Thinking behind it goes as follows. You can develop other countries with current tech - and make money. And when they reach roughly your 'developmental stage' (work expertise), you'd want to push innovation spending on countries, where the middle class is growing (more 'first adopters'/customers) - in absolute numbers. (More profit per investment spending.) Part of that growth you are looking for is natural growth (population growth).

(Distribution of wealth is off, because everyone can produce in mexico basically 'overnight' at least most goods that are still produced in the US - which means, no union power possible. Internationally the issue (for developed countries) is globalization (Think mexico example, extrapolate to the world.). Both mean - increased production (because more markets), but lower wages in developed countries.)

Also - many large problems can only be addressed by 'internationalism'.
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Also outlook of nationalism is problematic. In the US maybe less so than elsewhere. Because it leads to less trade contact, more cultural myth building, more animosity - and in the end more wars. (Just because of economic imbalances.).

2. If we are the problem, the solution is nuclear energy. Even Joom agrees with me on that.
No its not. (At least not alone. And at least not 'to a large extent' 'in every country'.) Too many problems arise out of the use of nuclear energy. Mostly waste and 'end of life safety' related. And upfront cost (its not that cheap to build nuclear reactors at scale).

Nuclear reactors are touted as a fallback for renewables at scale. (So when night, and no wind blows, add nuclear capacity). Because energy storage is such an issue (with anything not oil, or coal, .. ;) ) (you loose so much through storage). But even there, people would rather not rely on them in many countries, and find alternatives... Which actually, is partly cost driven, even at this point.

Renewables will come. The question rather is when. And 'how much of their innovation is produced in my country' (not for innovations sake, but for 'value add' (value that is generated in country, through labor)). And if the answer is 'factories are fully automated by then, and china controls the ressource market' - well... Not much money that stays in the 'producing country' (even if nationalistic ;) ) I'm afraid... :)
 
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It's sort of weird how the Left can claim there was no voter fraud before all of the votes are even counted. Their media tells them there's none so there must not be any! LOL!
Yeah, them pesky soyboys relying on things like facts and evidence! If only those authenticity-based sheeple can open their third eyes and only accept what Q and the 45th tells them only then will they realize the truth!
 

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wonder how much jail time for that he'll serve speaking of i fear trum can pardon himself in nixon fashion declare himself unfit to be president (fake a reoccurance of covid maybe?) pence takes over pardons trump trump assumes power again it's a unfathomable scenario but nothing would supprise me at this point
 
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Basically, it reduces transaction flows, which reduces wealth. Innovation.

Currently distribution of wealth is off, and innovation isnt looked for structurally in highly developed countries, where the population will shrink (roughly).

(Thinking behind it goes as follows. You can develop other countries with current tech - and make money. And when they reach roughly your 'developmental stage' (work expertise), you'd want to push innovation spending on countries, where the middle class is growing (more 'first adopters'/customers) - in absolute numbers. (More profit per investment spending.) Part of that growth you are looking for is natural growth (population growth).

(Distribution of wealth is off, because everyone can produce in mexico basically 'overnight' at least most goods that are still produced in the US - which means, no union power possible. Internationally the issue (for developed countries) is globalization (Think mexico example, extrapolate to the world.). Both mean - increased production (because more markets), but lower wages in developed countries.)

Also - many large problems can only be addressed by 'internationalism'.
-

Also outlook of nationalism is problematic. In the US maybe less so than elsewhere. Because it leads to less trade contact, more cultural myth building, more animosity - and in the end more wars. (Just because of economic imbalances.).


No its not. (At least not alone. And at least not 'to a large extent' 'in every country'.) Too many problems arise out of the use of nuclear energy. Mostly waste and 'end of life safety' related. And upfront cost (its not that cheap to build nuclear reactors at scale).

Nuclear reactors are touted as a fallback for renewables at scale. (So when night, and no wind blows, add nuclear capacity). Because energy storage is such an issue (with anything not oil, or coal, .. ;) ) (you loose so much through storage). But even there, people would rather not rely on them in many countries, and find alternatives... Which actually, is partly cost driven, even at this point.

Renewables will come. The question rather is when. And 'how much of their innovation is produced in my country' (not for innovations sake, but for 'value add' (value that is generated in country, through labor)). And if the answer is 'factories are fully automated by then, and china controls the ressource market' - well... Not much money that stays in the 'producing country' (even if nationalistic ;) ) I'm afraid... :)


Corps will always put profits over anything else. ironically this means corporations are guzzling renewables since they are cheaper than FF sources across the board now. the slow uptake of renewables wouldn't have taken so long if we didn't have absurd amounts of subsidies on fossil fuels. for a great snapshot of renewable energy and information about it you can check the IEA. https://www.iea.org/reports/renewables-2020

Medium to long term storage of renewables is currently being worked on in the form of pumped water storage and large scale battery tech. hopefully next-gen reactor designs are studied and approved soon as well.
 

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Four years of being called racist, sexist, xenophobic, fascist, etc. and you think that the people like you being out to get us is a lie.
Oh boohoo, you're such a martyr. If you don't want to be called these things, don't act like these things. We also don't call you these things out of hate or ignorance. I've said it before; if it quacks like a duck.
What's wrong with nationalism?
Case in point.

Also, so much for "cancel culture making its way to the courtroom". Giuliani actually hurt Trump's chances of a proper legal defense.
https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/11/14/giuliani-trump-legal-plans-436475
 
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wonder how much jail time for that he'll serve speaking of i fear trum can pardon himself in nixon fashion declare himself unfit to be president (fake a reoccurance of covid maybe?) pence takes over pardons trump trump assumes power again it's a unfathomable scenario but nothing would supprise me at this point

he can't pardon himself for state level crimes, only Governors of the respective states can do that. I don't think Andrew Cuomo is gonna do that. honestly the self pardon is a dumb, he will most likely resign and have pence do it.
 

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I wonder why that didn't happen...could it be that you screeched at him the entire time?

trump had all the chambers from beginning of 2017 to the end of the 2018 races. why didn't they do it then? how would a minority party in both chambers stop it?

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The belief that your country is the best there is isn't bad.
except America is not the best, we are shit at education and our happiness index is fucked. don't even get me started on our prison population.
 

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Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the (Democratic) Party is always right.
we're reaching levels of cope that are unheard of
 

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The belief that your country is the best there is isn't bad.
It's a lie, though. Teaching lies in the classroom is fascistic and detrimental to the spread of facts and education.

I wonder why that didn't happen...could it be that you screeched at him the entire time?
Implying it's our fault the president lied to you lul. You continue to prove how big of snowflakes Trump and his supporters are.
 
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