Joe Biden Wins - Becomes 46th president of the United States

[tabzer]

Absolutely not. To my understanding the actress likely was never presented to Giuliani as 15 years old, and never acted as 15 years old in the scene.
https://web.archive.org/web/2020111...m/2020/11/11/movies/maria-bakalova-borat.html

Also, there was heavy editing going on in the scene:
https://slate.com/culture/2020/10/borat-giuliani-sacha-baron-cohen-video-analyzed.html

But @Joom knows what he was thinking.

Put up or shut up.

That's on you this time. You did good at shutting up for a little bit anyway.

 

[notimp]

But @Joom knows what he was thinking.

Was a funny scene, Giuliani likely made a pass. (His speech pattern shifted, and he let his guard down, once 'heavy adoration' was implied during the interview process on her side, but before that he didnt act in anyway as if he knew that she was a child. (No 'patronising', even at rather naive questions.) Also, at one point she is confronted with on set production instructions, where she also isnt addressed as a 15 year old girl. Giuliani at that point is 'protecting her' (he is biting (bravado)).

 

[Lacius]

That's on you this time.

I don't think you know how argumentation works.

 

[tabzer]

I don't think you know how argumentation works.

Yeah, strawmans and ad hominems. Check the past 86 pages.

Add blatant hypocrisy to that.

Was a funny scene, Giuliani likely made a pass. (His speech pattern shifted, and he let his guard down, once 'heavy adoration' was implied during the interview process on her side, but before that he didnt act in anyway as if he knew that she was a child. (No 'patronising', even at rather naive questions.) Also, at one point she is confronted with on set production instructions, where she also isnt addressed as a 15 year old girl. Giuliani at that point is 'protecting her' (he is biting (bravado)).

Yeah, I seriously don't doubt that he was taking the bait, but he wasn't totally sure of himself either.

 

[Lacius]

Yeah, strawmans and ad hominems. Check the past 86 pages.

If you can't actually put up, then this just becomes bickering, and I'm uninterested in bickering.

Edit: And if you can't actually put up, then I don't have any reason to pay attention to you.

 

[notimp]

Yeah, I seriously don't doubt that he was taking the bait, but he wasn't totally sure of himself either.

Well, why not try a double entendre, if you are unsure in that situation. Try, and see if it flies..

edit: That said, hand in trousers, is probably not the best one.

 

[tabzer]

If you can't actually put up, then this just becomes bickering, and I'm uninterested in bickering.

You are uninteresting. He made a claim about the state of the world, and you have to tell him he's wrong because he is not focusing on America first. Are you a nationalist now? Since when am I obliged to disprove the points you completely make up? That's your obligation to validate a claim.

 

[Lacius]

You are uninteresting. He made a claim about the state of the world, and you have to tell him he's wrong because he is not focusing on America first. Are you a nationalist now? Since when am I obliged to disprove the points you completely make up? That's your obligation to validate a claim.

You made the positive claim ("he conceded to it being a big deal in the US if not one comment prior" and "He agreed with the premise"), so I suggest you learn how the burden of proof works. And with that, I'm unlikely to continue this conversation if you can't put up. This is the second or third time this week that you've been backed into a corner and been unable to demonstrate your point. Deflecting and pretending to have an unwillingness to demonstrate your point, rather than an inability to demonstrate your point, isn't especially convincing, nor is it very interesting.

 

[tabzer]

You made the positive claim ("he conceded to it being a big deal in the US if not one comment prior" and "He agreed with the premise"), so I suggest you learn how the burden of proof works. And with that, I'm unlikely to continue this conversation if you can't put up. This is the second or third time this week that you've been backed into a corner and been unable to demonstrate your point. Deflecting and pretending to have an unwillingness to demonstrate your point, rather than an inability to demonstrate your point, isn't especially convincing, nor is it very interesting.

He agreed with the premise by making an argument on who is to blame for it. It's passive concession, but it shows that there is no contention with the premise. You want to ignore the logic of that and make the conversation about an easily controllable subject that nobody can or does disagree with. That's quite literally a strawman. My memory is that the last conversation we had ended with you shutting up. My point was made clear. You are just too poor of a sport to be accountable for your baiting tactics.

 

[gregory-samba]

Absolutely not. To my understanding the actress likely was never presented to Giuliani as 15 years old, and never acted as 15 years old in the scene.
https://web.archive.org/web/2020111...m/2020/11/11/movies/maria-bakalova-borat.html

Also, there was heavy editing going on in the scene:
https://slate.com/culture/2020/10/borat-giuliani-sacha-baron-cohen-video-analyzed.html

I read the scene with Giuliani messing with his pants was because he was removing the microphone setup he had attached to him while that Sasha guy was recording it using a hidden camera. After he got the footage of Giuliani removing the mic, he edited it and made it seem like something else was going on when that simply wasn't the case.

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Yeah, that side would attack him for the following
Downplaying the pandemic
Knowing that they are downplaying a pandemic
Not doing anything about a pandemic
Shutting up the doctors who know what they are doing
then yeah they would be pretty pissed. (cough cough, he did all the above)
If however he actually competently handled it, if he actually did SOMETHING like get a uniformed shutdown, or at least a uniformed mask mandate. That side wouldn't be nearly as pissed. They may hate trump, but if he at least HANDLED that, and did it semi competently. I'm pretty sure that would of got some more people to vote for him.

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sigh
Yes, it is Trumps fault. Let's stop pretending that it is.
Do I seriously need to start linking every... single... tweet of him stating false information? How many times he said that covid wouldn't be such a bad thing. Remember how he stated that it would be gone in the summer? Remember how he said that everything is under control? Remember how he said we would wake up one morning and it would be gone? Remember when he said it was not as bad the flu? When it is more dangerous than the flu?
My point can go on, and on, and on.
I wonder how many people who don't know better believed him to no fault of their own.

Exactly, you're going to blame and attack Trump no matter what action he takes. It's called "orange man bad" syndrome or TDS (abbreviation of said disorder).

 

[AmandaRose]

Donald Trump's legal problems worsen as a Philadelphia appeals court denies all five of his law suits, lawyers abandon him in Arizona and Pennsylvania and Michigan judge throws out bid to stop Detroit's votes being certified.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...phia-appeals-court-denies-five-law-suits.html

 

[PiracyForTheMasses]

Yeah, that side would attack him for the following
Downplaying the pandemic
Knowing that they are downplaying a pandemic
Not doing anything about a pandemic
Shutting up the doctors who know what they are doing
then yeah they would be pretty pissed. (cough cough, he did all the above)
If however he actually competently handled it, if he actually did SOMETHING like get a uniformed shutdown, or at least a uniformed mask mandate. That side wouldn't be nearly as pissed. They may hate trump, but if he at least HANDLED that, and did it semi competently. I'm pretty sure that would of got some more people to vote for him.

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sigh
Yes, it is Trumps fault. Let's stop pretending that it is.
Do I seriously need to start linking every... single... tweet of him stating false information? How many times he said that covid wouldn't be such a bad thing. Remember how he stated that it would be gone in the summer? Remember how he said that everything is under control? Remember how he said we would wake up one morning and it would be gone? Remember when he said it was not as bad the flu? When it is more dangerous than the flu?
My point can go on, and on, and on.
I wonder how many people who don't know better believed him to no fault of their own.

Donald Trump lied about the pandemic and botched the response to the pandemic, a combination that killed hundreds of thousands of Americans. The "didn't want to cause a panic" excuse demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of how to handle a crisis. The best way to avoid a panic would have been to acknowledge the facts and respond to the pandemic. By lying about the pandemic and refusing to do anything substantive in response to it, particularly early in the pandemic, that actually caused more deaths and more of a panic.

Edit: And as mentioned in the post above mine, Donald Trump has no problem causing panics where there should be none if they benefit him politically.

Panic my ass when trump is talking about looters and shooters and rapists in one of his tweets that don't exists. Fear mongering people into believing that immigrants are out to take your jobs or democrats creating illegal votes even though now his win count in courts is 0/12, and still rising. Your telling me this man didn't want to create a panic? Bullshit.
Also, tell me, what's better?
Running out of a burning building, panicking a little?
Or dying in the fire.
Trump has chosen dying in the fire.
This panic argument, is complete dog shit.

WOW, how could you be so uneducated on the subject? Tells us again how it is Trumps fault that your state and local government failed you. I live in a state that is perfectly fine because my leaders know how to lead when their people need a leader, its that simple. Hey guess what, experts lied to Trump, the government, the American people, where is their backlash? Tell us how Fauci is a credible person & why is he still allowed on platforms. If Trump was a career politician do you think he would be getting backlash or do you think the Dr would get the backlash and it would forever shadow any and all work he had previously done. Facts are these "experts" did not know anything about the virus & straight up lied. World Health Organization also lied to the American people, but Trump gets the blame for that too. Another fact you forget to mention is the flu is in FACT more deadly than CCP virus, the difference is the flu has been around for how long? Yea without modern medicine people would be dropping like flies due to flu. Fear mongering people into believing immigrants are going to take their jobs, well lets look at the facts. Hey, are you aware of Operation Wetback? No, of course you are not aware of it because you're an uneducated snowflake. Are you aware of dumping acts? Are you aware that the government use to encourage Americans to buy American made? No, no you are not. Tell us again how voter fraud didn't happen when MANY Americans have witnessed voter fraud first hand. I've grown up around voter fraud clown. Mail in voting just made it easier. The type of corruption you see on tv happens in real life in USA, many people see it and live it every day. Majority of you clowns on here know absolutely nothing about the history of America, nor do you know shit about politics other than what you see in the news. Word of wisdom to all of you, go get an education and stop buying into the bullshit the corrupt machine feeds you. Democrats are 100% corrupt. Republicans are 100% corrupt. Any and ALL career politicians are anti America & it takes an outsider to get shit done. History proves the facts are anyone that voted Biden are not pro America. If you do not believe me educated yourself on the facts and you might just be surprised.

 

[notimp]

I read the scene with Giuliani messing with his pants was because he was removing the microphone setup he had attached to him while that Sasha guy was recording it using a hidden camera. After he got the footage of Giuliani removing the mic, he edited it and made it seem like something else was going on when that simply wasn't the case.

Sure you do, because every Trump fan does.

 

[Lacius]

WOW, how could you be so uneducated on the subject? Tells us again how it is Trumps fault that your state and local government failed you. I live in a state that is perfectly fine because my leaders know how to lead when their people need a leader, its that simple. Hey guess what, experts lied to Trump, the government, the American people, where is their backlash? Tell us how Fauci is a credible person & why is he still allowed on platforms. If Trump was a career politician do you think he would be getting backlash or do you think the Dr would get the backlash and it would forever shadow any and all work he had previously done. Facts are these "experts" did not know anything about the virus & straight up lied. World Health Organization also lied to the American people, but Trump gets the blame for that too. Another fact you forget to mention is the flu is in FACT more deadly than CCP virus, the difference is the flu has been around for how long? Yea without modern medicine people would be dropping like flies due to flu. Fear mongering people into believing immigrants are going to take their jobs, well lets look at the facts. Hey, are you aware of Operation Wetback? No, of course you are not aware of it because you're an uneducated snowflake. Are you aware of dumping acts? Are you aware that the government use to encourage Americans to buy American made? No, no you are not. Tell us again how voter fraud didn't happen when MANY Americans have witnessed voter fraud first hand. I've grown up around voter fraud clown. Mail in voting just made it easier. The type of corruption you see on tv happens in real life in USA, many people see it and live it every day. Majority of you clowns on here know absolutely nothing about the history of America, nor do you know shit about politics other than what you see in the news. Word of wisdom to all of you, go get an education and stop buying into the bullshit the corrupt machine feeds you. Democrats are 100% corrupt. Republicans are 100% corrupt. Any and ALL career politicians are anti America & it takes an outsider to get shit done. History proves the facts are anyone that voted Biden are not pro America. If you do not believe me educated yourself on the facts and you might just be surprised.

1. Trump's initial failures include, but aren't limited to:

1. Effectively ending the pandemic response team a year or two before the pandemic hit
2. Downplaying risks by saying publicly that COVID-19 was not a big deal and nobody should be worried <-- We know that this alone contributed and continues to contribute to increased infection rates
3. The lack of a federal response to address a lack of testing
4. The lack of a federal response to address a lack of PPE
5. A lack of a federal response to address social distancing
6. Encouraging states and municipalities to reopen too quickly
7. Encouraging states and municipalities not to shutdown at all
8. A failure to address needed financial stimulus aside from the initial round
9. Continuing to this day to peddle misinformation about masks, suggesting they cause one to be more likely to catch COVID-19
10. Suggesting disinfectant in the lungs can be an effective treatment against COVID-19
11. Continuing almost to this day to hold super spreader rallies with no social distancing and few masks, inside and outside

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_administration_communication_during_the_COVID-19_pandemic

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._federal_government_response_to_the_COVID-19_pandemic

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veracity_of_statements_by_Donald_Trump#COVID-19_pandemic

2. COVID-19 is deadlier and more contagious than the flu. A bad flu season will kill approximately 60,000 Americans each year without physical distancing, masks, etc., but COVID-19 has killed 244,000 Americans (and rising) this year with physical distancing, masks, etc. This isn't even controversial.

3. There is no evidence of widespread voter fraud.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/10/us/politics/voting-fraud.html

https://apnews.com/article/election...litics-media-1bf96bf3910bdcbe0f125958357c8f1a

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...nt-trumps-false-claims-vote-fraud-chronology/

 

[tabzer]

The President of the United States is saying that there was voter fraud. You can disagree with him, but him making the claim puts the ball in his court; not yours. You unfortunately, like the rest of us, have to bear waiting this out until he fails to deliver on time, or is struck down entirely.

 

[tabzer]

Forgot one possible outcome: He delivers. Lol.

 

[Lacius]

The President of the United States is saying that there was voter fraud. You can disagree with him, but him making the claim puts the ball in his court; not yours. You unfortunately, like the rest of us, have to bear waiting this out until he fails to deliver on time, or is struck down entirely.

What the President says about widespread voter fraud is irrelevant is the absence of evidence of widespread voter fraud. To both you and the President: Put up or shut up.

In reality, there is no evidence of widespread voter fraud, and Trump's lawsuits have been falling hard and fast.

 

[tabzer]

The president has to put up. Not me. And he has a deadline that you have no choice but to respect. You can appeal to yourself as an authority, but that makes you delusional.

 

[Lacius]

The president has to put up. Not me. And he has a deadline that you have no choice but to respect. You can appeal to yourself as an authority, but that makes you delusional.

If you're going to argue there's evidence of widespread voter fraud that can change the results of the election, you have to put up or shut up.

 

[tabzer]

The argument I made about the evidence regarding widespread voter fraud has already been addressed. Not my fault that you chose to take a leave of absence and then come back to pretend it never happened. Some might say that Trump is implicating himself as a witness, which is also a form of evidence--probably the primary form of it considering. I know that you hate that, but I cannot alter this fact for you. I'm waiting too.