Joe Biden Wins - Becomes 46th president of the United States

[Joom]

no u

(Yeah, "no u" was probably the worst thing to say in a serious political discussion.)

The article should probably be updated then, because the "History" section contradicts this. Either that, or the section you quoted is overly generalizing, because every other source I'm checking only mentions section 215. This only applies to surveillance, and not the whole act, or what it enables the federal government to do when they determine someone to be a terrorist, or what they can do when they deem something a national threat.

This is to protect people from terrorists and any sort of online Mafia. But I guess a sickness is more dangerous than organized murderers.

Do you think actual criminals who are involved in such activity leave a browser history trail? This does absolutely nothing to stop terrorism. Also, weren't you the one preaching about not sacrificing liberty for security? Hypocritical much?

 

[omgcat]

Yeah next couple of months are gonna get real rough again, probably equal the height of the first wave if not get slightly worse. And Trump will do fuck all about it, he'll just be a pouty little bitch the entire time. Not that I believe he would've done anything about it had he won either, he would've simply been spending this time celebrating instead. So eventual relief is better than no relief in sight at least.

my math is showing a 95% CI of 280k to 530k new cases per day by thanksgiving. gonna be fucking wild. we have 2-3 weeks of growth baked in as usual because of infection latency time, but how long until the governors actually do something? people are so bad at understanding what exponential growth looks like.

 

[gregory-samba]

Are you...
Wow okay, that is really sad that you don't understand the 10th amendment.
Tl;Dr since you need me to explain what it actually means
it simply states that if there isn't something explicit power the Federal level is given, then it's the states jobs.
Covid is a pandemic, Presidents have the ability to declare national emergencies/state of emergency, which there they can ask congress to give them certain temporary powers in order to help the people. This is primary done to protect the people. (in other words, if a president needed to temporarily overrule state powers, and congress okayed it. they could, as long as it protects the people, and nothing else)
In other words, stop saying Trump couldn't do anything about it. If he was competent, he would of declared a nation emergency and asked congress to essentially okay those powers until the crisis is over.
I may of oversimplified that specific process (of declaring a state of emergency) if I made any gross oversimplification, I will happily take information in and correct what I said.

If Trump claims a national emergency all your side will do is attack him for it. He left the power to your State's Governor to sort it out. If you don't like how things are playing out in your State then contact your State's appointed officials. You can try to blame Trump for something he left up to your State, but that just makes you look too naive.

Besides look at the pictures of everyone celebrating for Biden. None of them are social distancing and many aren't wearing masks or wearing them correctly. Doesn't seem like it's such a big deal when it comes to following the rules and all (for the Liberals).

 

[UltraSUPRA]

 

[gregory-samba]

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The infection rate keeps increasing across the entire globe, but the good thing is that the death rate keeps decreasing. I really hope once there is a vaccine all these policies and new laws are vanquished as we don't need them any longer.

 

[Lacius]

The infection rate keeps increasing across the entire globe, but the good thing is that the death rate keeps decreasing. I really hope once there is a vaccine all these policies and new laws are vanquished as we don't need them any longer.

The United States is 4.22% of the world population, but on November 11 (the latest data as of this post), it was 29.13% of the world's new COVID-19 cases.

Please don't act like the United States hasn't utterly failed on COVID-19.

Edit: On the same day, the United States, with 4.22% of the world's population, was 16.70% of the world's COVID-19 deaths.

 

[tabzer]

The United States is 4.22% of the world population, but on November 11 (the latest data as of this post), it was 29.13% of the world's new COVID-19 cases.

Please don't act like the United States hasn't utterly failed on COVID-19.

Edit: On the same day, the United States, with 4.22% of the world's population, was 16.70% of the world's COVID-19 deaths.

While the comment is accurate in itself, I'm confused how it is related to the quote you are responding to. He previously mentioned that it's not Trump's fault, while seemingly acknowledging that it is a problem in the US. Is this more of your projection?

 

[Deleted User]

If Trump claims a national emergency all your side will do is attack him for it.

Yeah, that side would attack him for the following
Downplaying the pandemic
Knowing that they are downplaying a pandemic
Not doing anything about a pandemic
Shutting up the doctors who know what they are doing
then yeah they would be pretty pissed. (cough cough, he did all the above)
If however he actually competently handled it, if he actually did SOMETHING like get a uniformed shutdown, or at least a uniformed mask mandate. That side wouldn't be nearly as pissed. They may hate trump, but if he at least HANDLED that, and did it semi competently. I'm pretty sure that would of got some more people to vote for him.

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While the comment is accurate in itself, I'm confused how it is related to the quote you are responding to. He previously mentioned that it's not Trump's fault, while seemingly acknowledging that it is a problem in the US. Is this more of your projection?

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Yes, it is Trumps fault. Let's stop pretending that it is.
Do I seriously need to start linking every... single... tweet of him stating false information? How many times he said that covid wouldn't be such a bad thing. Remember how he stated that it would be gone in the summer? Remember how he said that everything is under control? Remember how he said we would wake up one morning and it would be gone? Remember when he said it was not as bad the flu? When it is more dangerous than the flu?
My point can go on, and on, and on.
I wonder how many people who don't know better believed him to no fault of their own.

 

[Lacius]

While the comment is accurate in itself, I'm confused how it is related to the quote you are responding to. He previously mentioned that it's not Trump's fault, while seemingly acknowledging that it is a problem in the US. Is this more of your projection?

The United States is where it is because of the failures of the Trump administration.

 

[UltraSUPRA]

Yeah, that side would attack him for the following
Downplaying the pandemic
Knowing that they are downplaying a pandemic
Not doing anything about a pandemic
Shutting up the doctors who know what they are doing
then yeah they would be pretty pissed. (cough cough, he did all the above)
If however he actually competently handled it, if he actually did SOMETHING like get a uniformed shutdown, or at least a uniformed mask mandate. That side wouldn't be nearly as pissed. They may hate trump, but if he at least HANDLED that, and did it semi competently. I'm pretty sure that would of got some more people to vote for him.

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sigh
Yes, it is Trumps fault. Let's stop pretending that it is.
Do I seriously need to start linking every... single... tweet of him stating false information? How many times he said that covid wouldn't be such a bad thing. Remember how he stated that it would be gone in the summer? Remember how he said that everything is under control? Remember how he said we would wake up one morning and it would be gone? Remember when he said it was not as bad the flu? When it is more dangerous than the flu?
My point can go on, and on, and on.
I wonder how many people who don't know better believed him to no fault of their own.

Nobody wants to cause a panic.

Except your side, apparently.

 

[tabzer]

sigh
Yes, it is Trumps fault. Let's stop pretending that it is.
Do I seriously need to start linking every... single... tweet of him stating false information? How many times he said that covid wouldn't be such a bad thing. Remember how he stated that it would be gone in the summer? Remember how he said that everything is under control? Remember how he said we would wake up one morning and it would be gone? Remember when he said it was not as bad the flu? When it is more dangerous than the flu?
My point can go on, and on, and on.
I wonder how many people who don't know better believed him to no fault of their own.

Thanks for responding to me, but you seem to have trouble reading what I said, and it took it as an invitation to try to convince me why you think it's Trump's fault. I am not interested, and I didn't make the claim.

 

[Deleted User]

Nobody wants to cause a panic.

Except your side, apparently.

Panic my ass when trump is talking about looters and shooters and rapists in one of his tweets that don't exists. Fear mongering people into believing that immigrants are out to take your jobs or democrats creating illegal votes even though now his win count in courts is 0/12, and still rising. Your telling me this man didn't want to create a panic? Bullshit.
Also, tell me, what's better?
Running out of a burning building, panicking a little?
Or dying in the fire.
Trump has chosen dying in the fire.
This panic argument, is complete dog shit.

 

[Lacius]

Nobody wants to cause a panic.

Except your side, apparently.

Donald Trump lied about the pandemic and botched the response to the pandemic, a combination that killed hundreds of thousands of Americans. The "didn't want to cause a panic" excuse demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of how to handle a crisis. The best way to avoid a panic would have been to acknowledge the facts and respond to the pandemic. By lying about the pandemic and refusing to do anything substantive in response to it, particularly early in the pandemic, that actually caused more deaths and more of a panic.

Edit: And as mentioned in the post above mine, Donald Trump has no problem causing panics where there should be none if they benefit him politically.

 

[tabzer]

The United States is where it is because of the failures of the Trump administration.

So talk to him about that. That wasn't too hard to say. Who claimed that the US isn't a mess?

Nobody wants to cause a panic.

Except your side, apparently.

That's false as hell, lol.

 

[Lacius]

So talk to him about that. That wasn't too hard to say. Who claimed that the US isn't a mess?

He's implying that the United States and the rest of the world are on equal footing. They are not. You are also missing the context of past conversations I've had with this person. Respectfully, you should probably butt out if you don't know what you're talking about.

 

[tabzer]

He's implying that the United States and the rest of the world are on equal footing. They are not. You are also missing the context of past conversations I've had with this person. Respectfully, you should probably butt out if you don't know what you're talking about.

That's an assumption. And silly considering that he conceded to it being a big deal in the US if not one comment prior. It is increasing in the world, and he hopes a vaccine comes out soon that may result in these frustrating laws going away. That's what he said. You are adding a claim that isn't there because why not strawman when you have the territorial mob unquestionably on your side?

 

[Lacius]

That's an assumption. And silly considering that he conceded to it being a big deal in the US if not one comment prior. It is increasing in the world, and he hopes a vaccine comes out soon that may result in these frustrating laws going away. That's what he said. You are adding a claim that isn't there because why not strawman when you have the territorial mob unquestionably on your side?

He didn't argue that it was "a big deal in the US one comment prior." He did, however, argue that Trump is deserving of no blame one comment prior.

With respect, you aren't very good at this arguing thing.

 

[notimp]

The actress was playing a 15 year old girl and was presented to a Giuliani as being 15 she also looked round about that age.

Absolutely not. To my understanding the actress likely was never presented to Giuliani as 15 years old, and never acted as 15 years old in the scene.
https://web.archive.org/web/2020111...m/2020/11/11/movies/maria-bakalova-borat.html

Also, there was heavy editing going on in the scene:
https://slate.com/culture/2020/10/borat-giuliani-sacha-baron-cohen-video-analyzed.html

 

[tabzer]

He didn't argue that it was "a big deal in the US one comment prior." He did, however, argue that Trump is deserving of no blame one comment prior.

With respect, you aren't very good at this arguing thing.

He agreed with the premise and deflected the blame from Trump, to the local governments and also insinuated that Biden followers weren't doing their part either. I did not say that he argued that it was a big deal in the US. That's another fallacy you are making. If everyone agrees that it's a big deal in the US, nobody needs to make an argument for or against it. It was never contested.

 

[Lacius]

He agreed with the premise

Put up or shut up.