Joe Biden Wins - Becomes 46th president of the United States

[SonowRaevius]

Forget about to catch a predator for a moment. It's not the same situation. You are having trouble thinking straight because of words.

Imagine being in this situation. A 24 year old woman comes up to you and starts trying to seduce you. She tells you that she is 15 and you immediately know she must be crazy. You cannot help but to feel sexually attracted to her, despite her obvious lie. You are an old man and may never see action again, but you feel so awkward about the presentation, and morally conflicted on how to proceed. "Let's take it slow," you think to yourself. "It doesn't make sense, but as a good lawyer, I will get to the bottom of this."

It's not the same as "Oh hey, you are 15? That's great! I love fucking 15 year olds."

"She said she was 18!" Is very much not the situation here, as you should be able to see.

I've seen women that look a lot older than they are and women that look a lot younger than they are, but that holds no bar in this.

If someone looked 15 said they are 15, I would nope the fuck out of there real fucking fast not invite them up to my room regardless of if they actually were or not.

Anyone that would do otherwise or defend it has some pretty questionable morals IMO.

It doesn't matter how old the guy or girl was, if you can't control your urges you're nothing but a predator full stop.

 

[tabzer]

How do I immediately know that?

No, someone claiming to be 15, whether they or not, is an instant boner killer for me.

How would I know it's an obvious lie unless she showed me ID? There are some pretty mature looking 15 year old girls out there. If I had nothing else to go on other than her claim, I'm nopeing the fuck out. I don't humor possible jailbait.

So get some Cialis and go to a swinger's club or some shit. I don't get this overly creepy fetishization of youth that runs rampant among men. This is in no way an excuse to prey on assumed minors.

It literally is. That's exactly what went through his head because pedophilia is a power play. The moment he thought she was underage, he should have walked away. It's pedophilia, regardless of how you try to justify it.

It's a f*cking story about being inside the mind of Giulini. Jeez you are thick. Rudy could be a pedophile. You are saying that you know he is. That's an accusation. Fine. The "she said she was 18!" as a fruitless defense in the case of statutory rape, which involves a definite sexual act, an actual victim who is actually underage.

If someone looked 15 said they are 15, I would nope the fuck out of there real fucking fast not invite them up to my room regardless of if they actually were or not.

Anyone that would do otherwise or defend it has some pretty questionable morals IMO.

Personally I would never be in that situation, myself. Guilini is a nutty person, and I don't really know what went on inside his head, and we know that this was edited video to make Guilini to look even worse. But, like I said, he just looked pathetic.

 

[Joom]

It's a f*cking story about being inside the mind of Giulini. Jeez you are thick. Rudy could be a pedophile. You are saying that you know he is. That's an accusation. Fine. The "she said she was 18!" as a fruitless defense in the case of statutory rape, which involves a definite sexual act, an actual victim who is actually underage.

My point went entirely over your head. It doesn't matter if someone is 24 and claims to be 15, even if it seems apparent to *you* that they're not. You also can't disregard my previous point about bait actors being used to catch pedophiles. It's the exact same scenario. Those guys that were busted never even touched a minor, or did anything physically sexual with one, but they full well meant to because they were under the impression that the bait actor was a minor. In the case of Giuliani, he thought the bait actor WAS A MINOR. I think the thickness you're seeing is your forehead hanging over your brow.

 

[tabzer]

My point went entirely over your head. It doesn't matter if someone is 24 and claims to be 15, even if it seems apparent to *you* that they're not.

It doesn't magically turn it into statutory rape.

You also can't disregard my previous point about bait actors being used to catch pedophiles. It's the exact same scenario.

It's not the same exact scenario.

Those guys that were busted never even touched a minor, or did anything sexual with one, but they full well meant to because they were under the impression that the bait actor was a minor.

My understanding is that most of those people were targeting minors and soliciting them for sex, and in to catch a predator, the adult-child actor plays a minor role as to not taint the results for the case of a strong prosecution. The Borat movie film production introduced Guilini to a 24 year old woman, and told him that she was 15. That's putting the cart before the horse when trying to stage "solicitation of a minor". In one scenario, with to catch a predator, you essentially have the predators signing contracts that they are soliciting sex from a minor before meeting them. The Giulini situation is a confused mess throughout which likely wouldn't result in such a charge.

The point is, is the "She said she was 18!" is a null defense in the case of statutory rape, not for solicitation of a minor. In the case of statutory rape, it doesn't matter what the person thought, as intention is not a factor. In the case of "solicitation of a minor" intention is what's being tried. You claim to know what on went inside his head, but that's typical of you.

 

[UltraSUPRA]

what a fucking time to have an incompetent president. we just had a 12.7% increase in covid cases today from 162k to 183k. fuck.

cases

As in, not deaths.

 

[Joom]

As in, not deaths.

And? What's your point? Why are you acting like this some gotcha? You can probably safely bet that a sixth of those people will die. That's roughly 30,000 people. Of course, this is also factoring in the assumed increase that will take place over the coming holidays. If we keep increasing at this scale, and COVID keeps mutating the way it does which causes its spreading speed to increase, the death toll is only going to increase exponentially.

 

[UltraSUPRA]

And? What's your point? Why are you acting like this some gotcha? You can probably safely bet that a sixth of those people will die. That's roughly 30,000 people.

 

[Joom]

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https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm

You're also ignoring the sharp increase in the infection rate over the past week or so. It's getting colder as well, which the virus is going to thrive in. Oh, it's also flu season, which is making matters worse.

 

[tabzer]

@AmandaRose needs to handle her own arguments, seeing @Joom is too ADD to follow through.

 

[Xzi]

what a fucking time to have an incompetent president. we just had a 12.7% increase in covid cases today from 162k to 183k. fuck.

Yeah next couple of months are gonna get real rough again, probably equal the height of the first wave if not get slightly worse. And Trump will do fuck all about it, he'll just be a pouty little bitch the entire time. Not that I believe he would've done anything about it had he won either, he would've simply been spending this time celebrating instead. So eventual relief is better than no relief in sight at least.

 

[UltraSUPRA]

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm

Where does it mention the survival rate?

You're also ignoring the sharp increase in the infection rate over the past week or so.

What about the death rate?

It's getting colder as well, which the virus is going to thrive in.

Remember when we were told that the Coronavirus would die in the summer...and it didn't?

Oh, it's also flu season, which is making matters worse.

This means more deaths marked as COVID, when they wouldn't have died if it was COVID alone. Yay.

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Yeah next couple of months are gonna get real rough again, probably equal the height of the first wave if not get slightly worse. And Trump will do fuck all about it, he'll just be a pouty little bitch the entire time. Not that I believe he would've done anything about it had he won either, he would've simply been spending this time celebrating instead. So eventual relief is better than no relief in sight at least.

Not much he could do, seeing as how the 10th Amendment exists.

 

[Deleted User]

Are you...
Wow okay, that is really sad that you don't understand the 10th amendment.
Tl;Dr since you need me to explain what it actually means
it simply states that if there isn't something explicit power the Federal level is given, then it's the states jobs.
Covid is a pandemic, Presidents have the ability to declare national emergencies/state of emergency, which there they can ask congress to give them certain temporary powers in order to help the people. This is primary done to protect the people. (in other words, if a president needed to temporarily overrule state powers, and congress okayed it. they could, as long as it protects the people, and nothing else)
In other words, stop saying Trump couldn't do anything about it. If he was competent, he would of declared a nation emergency and asked congress to essentially okay those powers until the crisis is over.
I may of oversimplified that specific process (of declaring a state of emergency) if I made any gross oversimplification, I will happily take information in and correct what I said.

 

[UltraSUPRA]

Are you...
Wow okay, that is really sad that you don't understand the 10th amendment.
Tl;Dr since you need me to explain what it actually means
it simply states that if there isn't something explicit power the Federal level is given, then it's the states jobs.
Covid is a pandemic, Presidents have the ability to declare national emergencies/state of emergency, which there they can ask congress to give them certain temporary powers in order to help the people. This is primary done to protect the people. (in other words, if a president needed to temporarily overrule state powers, and congress okayed it. they could, as long as it protects the people, and nothing else)
In other words, stop saying Trump couldn't do anything about it. If he was competent, he would of declared a nation emergency and asked congress to essentially okay those powers until the crisis is over.
I may of oversimplified that specific process (of declaring a state of emergency) if I made any gross oversimplification, I will happily take information in and correct what I said.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
I'd love to see where in the Constitution that it says the President is able to declare national emergencies or revoke rights in a state of crisis.

 

[Joom]

Where does it mention the survival rate?

It's to show that 90 percentile ranges for survival aren't meaning much when it's this random and rampant across the board. Your graph is entirely too broad, and doesn't include certain determining factors. For example, did you know your blood type can determine how bad the infection is for you? That graph obviously doesn't factor that in, because it has nothing to do with age.

What about the death rate?

You do realize that you don't drop dead upon diagnosis, right? Takes a couple of weeks for it to drown you in your sleep.

Remember when we were told that the Coronavirus would die in the summer...and it didn't?

Yeah, that was awesome. I really thought I was going to be able to keep my job. Thanks Trump.

This means more deaths marked as COVID, when they wouldn't have died if it was COVID alone. Yay.

I see you ignored the CDC link. They have a section there for those that have died just from COVID, and for those who died from it being combined with other diseases and ailments, including the flu.

 

[Deleted User]

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
I'd love to see where in the Constitution that it says the President is able to declare national emergencies or revoke rights in a state of crisis.

National Emergencies Act
in 1976 this was passed it's not an amendment, but if Judaical branch said it's fine. Which it has given that the law still exists. And congress passed it. It's valid.
I don't see why a president couldn't use this act.

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And when I say the judicial branch doesn't have problems with it. By precedent, the national emergencies act grants a fuck ton of powers given how many times it's been used in varying ways, without the supreme court making any significant ruling against it.

 

[Joom]

I'd love to see where in the Constitution that it says the President is able to declare national emergencies or revoke rights in a state of crisis.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Act

 

[UltraSUPRA]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Act

...is expired.

 

[Deleted User]

...is expired.

"In November 2019, the renewal of the Patriot Act was included in the stop-gap legislation The expired provisions required renewal by March 15, 2020."
In other words, someone could of just... idk. renewed that. Just saying... My point being just because it's expired doesn't make your argument valid.

 

[Joom]

...is expired.

Uh, no? Learn to read. Only a part of it expired, and it'll be renewed.

After reauthorization bills failed to pass Congress, parts of the Patriot Act expired on June 1, 2015.[9] The USA Freedom Act, which became law on June 2, 2015, reenacted these expired sections through 2019.[10] However, Section 215 of the law was amended to disallow the National Security Agency (NSA) to continue its mass phone data collection program.[10] Instead, phone companies will retain the data and the NSA can obtain information about targeted individuals with a federal search warrant.[10]

In November 2019, the renewal of the Patriot Act was included in the stop-gap legislation[11] The expired provisions required renewal by March 15, 2020.[12] The Senate passed a 77-day extension in March 2020, but the House of Representatives did not pass the legislation before departing for recess on March 27, 2020.[13][14][15][16]

Oh, and this is awesome, too. Since you so love the 4th, you'll get a kick out of this.

On May 19, 2020, the Senate voted to give law enforcement agencies (FBI and CIA) the power to look into US citizens' browser history without a warrant.[17][18][19]

 

[UltraSUPRA]

Uh, no? Learn to read.

no u

On March 10, 2020, Jerry Nadler proposed a bill to reauthorize the Patriot Act, and it was then approved the majority of US House of Representatives after 152 Democrats joined the GOP in supporting the extension.[14] The surveillance powers of the Patriot Act needed renewal by March 15, 2020,[12] and after it expired, the U.S. Senate approved an amended version of the bill.[13] After President Donald Trump threatened to veto the bill, the House of Representatives issued an indefinite postponement of the vote to pass the Senate version of the bill; as of June 2020, the Patriot Act remains expired.[259]

(Yeah, "no u" was probably the worst thing to say in a serious political discussion.)

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Oh, and this is awesome, too. Since you so love the 4th, you'll get a kick out of this.

This is to protect people from terrorists and any sort of online Mafia. But I guess a sickness is more dangerous than organized murderers.