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Joe Biden Wins - Becomes 46th president of the United States

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How many Trump supporters does it take to change a lightbulb?
One hundred and nine. One to break it in the first place, one to deny it needs changing, two to deny it exists, three to blame its breakage on the Democrats, one to demand said Democrats replace it, a hundred to mindlessly follow whatever the others last said and one to finally switch sides and actually change it.
 

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,,, lol I think you should google how the coal industry "donates" to the government.. and how many Government officials have stock in coal.
Not the whole story either. :)

First germany is getting out of coal. Thats decided already. activists still quarrel about how fast. (2020 or 2038). Issue there is f.e. that coal companies are a large supplier of work in entire regions of the country, so if you dont find perspectives for those people - its kind of hard to sell your economic plan.

Paying money for access to politicians is the norm - dont forget that. Germany isnt very high in world wide corruption ratings, last time I checked.. ;)

Lets not stick with this example (germany very likely can tank 'getting out of coal'), but go to 'subsidies for fossile fuels in general' - so tax exemptions or - additional payments for 'mobility' or fossile fuel based heating from the state.

The idea of a green new deal is, to axe all of those, and use them to subsidize green investments instead. This means a large reduction in potential mobility (even job related) for a large amount of citizens, this means a large nominal reduction in GDP for the country. That has to be offset somehow. Answer then is always "through green growth", but its very hard to imagine that that will work well in the 'lets say transition years'. (You have to add, that at the same time, corporations are meant to pay CO2 taxes that would be used to finance the increasing energy costs of poor people, and innovate themselves out of those 'sunken costs' (reduce CO2 production to have to pay less CO2 taxes in the future) at the same time).

The last study that I've read on that talked about being maybe a little better off (point something percent of GDP), if we assume economic growth (not degrowth) at a low level (1.3 percent annual) and 'some restructuring' in terms of societal outlooks and behaviors. On afair the 2050 time horizon.

Meaning, you'd not want to travel to foreign countries so much, you'd not want to own your own cars so much, you'd not want to own so much stuff so much - but consume more in virtual or service based economies, ...

You get the drift.. ;)

Also, germany has some of the highest energy prices in the world already. (So paying higher amounts for green energy (earlier) doesnt sound so bad...)


So you have this huge investment effort. That arguably is needed. That tells you upfront - you wont be that much better off 2050 (if at all), that you also have to change your life for, to have less of what you'd see as status symbols right now, to then end up in an economy where the service sector reigns supreme (not that much social mobility), and you consume a larger amount of virtual goods and services. While rich people get most of the gains (production in other countries, or highly automated), and have to suffer the fewest setbacks (they can afford to pay a bit more, to offset the higher costs of - everything that would get more expensive).

In exchange for that you get 'some sectors with promised economic growth'. Which at the same time will not mean 'more jobs' necessarily (automation and digitization), which certainly will not mean more well paying jobs (Probably increasing the divide between rich and poor).

And then we might tax automation to give people UBI, or something.

Ah - the future... ;)

In Europe we then currently tell each other, but the Boomers are dying off by then, so with far fewer people in our civilizations over all this could actually be quite chill.

And our kids then might get proper economic growth again. Oh, theil be so smart - they'll find a way.

And then you have to realize, that it was mostly Boomers that voted for this to be our future. :) Well - if votes mattered that much. ;) It is a necessity, you know. :)
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edit: In the US AOC actually has a few more selling points for this. So f.e. you'll need infrastructure investment as a country in a few years (those are basically jobs that have to be filled with people), and you are currently being scalped by big pharma, so there is some fat you can 'cut out' to benefit folks equally, and you still dont have universal healthcare (which really should be just a restructuring at the cost of big pharma) which is what you always could give people in exchange for swallowing a bitter pill. And you have countries close to your borders you still could develop (growth engine).
 
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Actual current election map for anyone interested back in reality.
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I thought we were hitting the upper limit of how powerful wind, solar, and hydro energy can get.

My power is entirely off grid and I run a full machine shop, home theater and all the toys a family of four needs, My grids a combination Wind, hydro & solar. Hot water is a biotherm system from the heat generated out of our compost pile, I have a wind & water mills, solar and a diesel generator that gets used to recharge our batter systems every 2-3 years. It's real easy to be off grid, you really don't need society,
 
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Doesn't even include the average Joe that would probably try to murder him if they saw him in the street.

As jimbo mentioned I'm still hearing Biden hasn't won the election yet. Heard something about Pennsylvania going from Biden winning to undecided and North Carolina going Trump. All the tears that would pour in if Trump got re-elected would drown the country or at least Democratic areas. I'm not counting on it or predicting it, but we'll see.

Nothing is automatic nothing is official till December. The electors have not cast a single ballot & nothing has been verified or certified.

Meanwhile 80% of the public believes there was widespread fraud changing the outcome, that issue will be resolved before anyone is decided to be president.
 
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insane levels of Copium in here. you guys be careful with that. make sure carry some Narcan.

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at this point in PA, even without the 100k VBM ballots that have not been counted, trump would still need to get between 100-110% of the remaining votes to even tie, let alone overtake in a meaningful way.
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same deal for AZ, trump needs to average >65% in every set of ballots from now on to catch up.

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@ForgotWhoIam @jimbo13 The idea that there's been any sort of widespread voter fraud is unsubstantiated conspiracy theory nonsense. The sooner you realize that Joe Biden will be the next President of the United States, the better.

Perception is reality, and the perception is this election is illegitimate and there was widespread fraud. You cannot govern those who refuse your governance.
 
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Perception is reality, and the perception is this election is illegitimate and there was widespread fraud. You cannot govern those who refuse your governance.
Ah... right.
Your a republican.
According to a statement, 70% of republican's believe there was election fraud.
So your own bubble make you believe it...
I see
I don't perceive a pizza in my hand right now, but I am eating it



I didn't see the pressure valve explode on it's own. Therefore, someone else must of done it! Because that's my perception of things.
I perceived someone being rude and believed they were being an ass
when really they were just having a bad day.

In other words, perception is usually reality. Unless of course, you lost all touch and needing gallons of copium and or, have a very heavily skewd bias. And even then, our eyes can't see all.
 
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Perception is reality, and the perception is this election is illegitimate and there was widespread fraud. You cannot govern those who refuse your governance.

overseas meddling in politics has ruined your country's and populace's perception.. which is why it is making it easier for them to seize control by force and move on to a police or fascist regime (cue: Murikan standard reply of 'not while I have my guns' - which is exactly what Russian, Middle Eastern and Chinese doctrine would love to see - America ripped open in a violent civil war.. kill yourselves, less work for others to do then).
 
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Perception is reality, and the perception is this election is illegitimate and there was widespread fraud. You cannot govern those who refuse your governance.

that is not the mainstream perception, no matter how much you want it to be. sorry, facts over feelings. so far, zero of trump's litigation has provided proper evidence, hell some suits haven't even been filed properly in the first place.
 
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In other words, perception is usually reality. Unless of course, you lost all touch and needing gallons of copium and or, have a very heavily skewd bias.

Fact check: I am not 80% of the public.

If you are too immature and ignorant not to make your ramblings about me, or your minimized strawmen in regards to the bigger issues I am not going to address you.

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Oh I'm sure that won't be the only litigation Trump will be facing..
Honestly, I'm hoping the IRS has a field day with him. I mean, he wouldn't have any money right now if he hadn't been funneling taxpayer money into his hotels, which is illegal within itself. Those ravenous assholes in the IRS need to be good for something, and it'd be such poetic justice if they reemed him, especially after he screwed the working class with tax breaks for the rich.
Fact check: I am not 80% of the public.

If you are too immature and ignorant not to make your ramblings about me, or your minimized strawmen in regards to the bigger issues I am not going to address you.

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>Sample size is only 1,987 voters.

Yeah, this doesn't speak for the majority at all, especially since these are most likely Republican voters. I also think you don't know what a strawman is, because you just made one.
 
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Well for sure Biden got one legit vote Neil Smith. Apparently they're old butt buddies.



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