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  1. smf

    smf GBAtemp Psycho!
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    It's what we have now.

    Pretty much the entire world is laughing at Trump supporters who believe the election was rigged.

    The antivax/antimask are world wide, but most people have the first, last & in between laugh at them.

    It's free entertainment during the pandemic.

    I'd like to see more of Elizabeth from Knoxville or Melissa Carone. Is there anywhere we can subscribe to their crazy rants?
     
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    yeah I was just about to say "wait this is just social media but even more widespread"
    bonus points if the Wall has some optional filters to replace some words to make it safe for certain audiences...
    so that even children can view it and see how NOT to act.
    now I'm tempted to write a book about this and how it'd likely result in something that qualifies as both a utopia and a dystopia simultaneously from almost every viewpoint
     
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    What we need is the opposite of tik tok, you post a video with your crazy rants and then people try to lip sync something else to your video.

    As people are sharing your video it will just replace it with one that is funnier.

    You could do that with posts too, have competitions for what word replacements would be funny and then change peoples posts. With a limit of how many words you can change, (1-3 max)

    Bonus points if your find/replace works on multiple posts.
     
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    Is this the libertarian paradise I've been told about?
    Now *that* is an EOF thread I'd like to see. You're a natural.
     
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    there's this incomprehensibly potent irony to a world where a way to both prevent hateful ideologies from going physical while maintaining people's freedoms... is mocking the fuck out of the world's bigots
     
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    It would be just like graffiti, if someone writes or draws something on a wall then other people can change it to a more positive message (or funnier...)
     
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    *spit take*
    *five minutes of solid laughter*

    *chuckling* No, this entails people having to deal with at least the social consequences of their actions.

    Edit: Sometimes, I am bad at formatting. :/
     
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    smf GBAtemp Psycho!
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    In reality there is no paradise waiting for anyone.

    Trump is acting like a victim now, but he was all for removing trouble makers from social media a little while ago. He didn't think it would affect him.

    Frankly we'd be better off without social media.
     
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    Comedy has always been a powerful tool in fighting ideologies. It's the first thing that gets attacked when an authoritarian government takes root - once you make something funny, it's harder for you to be scared of it. There's a reason why Chaplin was doing the goose step, The Great Dictator did untold damage to Hitler's public image. Admittedly, Chaplin had some regrets about making the movie, but only because of the sheer extent of the atrocities committed - there's a fine line between mockery and making light of a given situation.
    Am I truly free if I can't even own an army of child slaves? The world may never know. In all seriousness though, I'm fine with social consequences - I've always been a supporter of voting with your wallet. I have a big problem with job lynch mobs, as in groups of people bombarding someone's employer with mail because they don't condone something they said privately, but that's a different discussion altogether, one that I actually would like to see addressed. We already have a plethora of reason for which one can't be fired, I'd be more than happy to see speech become one of them, provided the utterance is made in private, not on company time.
     
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    But what if they don't want to hire a racist but you just don't say anything overtly racist during company time, while at home you dress up in a klan outfit?
     
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    I might not agree with that but as long as they aren't being openly racist, what their beliefs are and they do in their own house is none of my business. Not someone I want to associate with personally, but I have no right to stop their income if they aren't outwardly causing problems. It only becomes an issue if one day he turns up to work in the klan outfit with a placard saying 'death to n-words' or some other horrific catchphrase.

    Also, that is an extreme example and is bordering on strawman; I think Foxi was more alluding to controversial opinions on twitter that employees make in their own time getting people fired, espeically if said statements were made a long time ago. If an employee thinks all the immigrants should go home or whatever, as long as it's not causing a problem in public life they have the right to that opinion.
     
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    Guys I hacked George Soros' computer...it all makes sense now.

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    I don't see what that has to do with job performance. This is something I'm in two minds about. On one hand, I fully support freedom of association. If someone doesn't want to hire you based on your views, I think it's their right to reject your application based on that fact alone. On the other hand, employers policing speech is not something I endorse - in your private life you should be able to voice whatever opinions you want, you do not represent the business in your free time, you represent yourself. Over time I've come to the conclusion that the way to adjudicate that fairly is actually rather simple.

    If the employer was unaware of some kind of activity you're involved in at the time of hiring, that's tough luck. A contract is binding for both parties, both parties signed on the dotted line and both must necessarily uphold their end of the agreement. The onus is on the employer to interview and validate candidates for a given position, at the point of hiring - that was the time to decide whether a person aligns with the company or not. If the employer failed to screen candidates adequately, too bad - as long as the employee's job performance is satisfactory, I see no reason to fire them, particularly not for exercising their rights.

    I don't like the idea of mobs forcing people out of jobs because they disagree with them, even if *I* disagree with them as well. Your example is a little absurd, but the framework still applies. An employment contract outlines precisely what is expected of the employee, and if it includes any violation of the employee's rights, I think it should be de facto null and void. That's in a perfect world, however - everybody knows that these days behaviour on social media is often times mentioned in those contracts. A sad state of affairs, to be sure.

    For the record, this applies regardless of political alignment. I'm a conservative person, and I would not knowingly enter into a business arrangement with someone who endorses communism, for instance. That said, I would not terminate a business relationship after the fact - an agreement is an agreement. I might not renew it once it lapses, I might choose not to engage in future agreements with that individual, but I would fulfill the commitment I've made unless the other party broke the contract first.

    To be fair though, this is not a firm belief. In an ideal world there'd be no such thing as a "protected class" and everyone would just focus on fulfilling their contracts to the t, but I have to work within the framework we've got. I can be swayed one way or the other, depending on the circumstances.
     
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    Right, so if they are well known in certain circles as a clan member but they managed to keep it quiet during the hiring process then it's fine. It's the employers fault for not beating it out of them with a rubber hose.

    What if they ask and you lie?

    Employment doesn't have an end date, so for it to be the same the contracts would have to have no end date. So the communist and sex offenders you do business with, you would have no end to it ever.
     
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    I enjoy this variant
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    That's none of my business, for the same reason why it's none of my business if they're black, or gay, or a Muslim, or whatever else. An employment contract is not an endorsement of any practices people get involved in in their private lives. I'm also not here to adjudicate morality, are you asking me for some kind of truism along the lines of "lying is bad"? With all that said, if the question is in fact asked during the interview process and the candidate lies, or fails to disclose what's being asked, the contract is signed under a false pretense and thus null and void. It'd effectively amount to fraud, which equals immediate termination. This is standard practice in contract law.
     
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    Most employers would then just start asking vague questions like "is there anything that we need to know?". When it turns out their new hire is going round burning crosses and wearing white hoods then they'll point back to where the employee said no.

    But you shouldn't have to ask that, they normally ask for hobbies/what you do outside work. If they fail to mention the clan meetings then it's still fraud. If you start going to meetings only after joining the company, well I would still stand by the employer. If they don't want their reputation harmed then what other choice do they have?
     
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    They don't need to know then. If they can't ask a specific question along the lines of "how would you describe your political affiliation?" or "are you involved in any political or social movements?" then they need to revise their hiring practices. For the record, before the question is asked, there are no protections in regards to political affiliation in hiring, at least not in the UK where I'm based, and as far as I know, in the US, the area we're discussing. I'm not entirely sure if such questions are permitted (they should be), we're spitballing hypothetical here.
     
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    You cannot expect someone to predict all the fucked up things that conservatives get up to.

    I mean who would have asked David Cameron if he ever fucked a pigs head?

    And David Cameron is one of the tame ones.
     
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    You're implying that only conservatives do "fucked up things". Are we conveniently forgetting about the crazy Bernie Bro who shot up a congressional baseball game? Because that happened, and not so long ago either.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Congressional_baseball_shooting
     
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