Joe Biden Wins - Becomes 46th president of the United States

[White_Raven_X]

Yeah I think the only change that need be made to section 230 is an exemption for violent speech/hate speech. Basically any speech that would be deemed criminal IRL should also be criminal online, and if it isn't removed in a timely manner, THEN the platform should be held liable for it.

I agree with that. They definitely have the labour power and AI power to ensure that those items be removed in a timely manner. But as I mentioned, they will never change the fundamental section 230.

 

[Foxi4]

Yeah I think the only change that need be made to section 230 is an exemption for violent speech/hate speech. Basically any speech that would be deemed criminal IRL should also be criminal online, and if it isn't removed in a timely manner, THEN the platform should be held liable for it.

Protection from civil liability is a privilege granted by government, it should be afforded to those companies in exchange for public service - guaranteed freedom of speech and expression, they should all be truly free and open platforms for the public. Many forms of expression, including calls for violence, are already not protected by the first amendment, so I think it's a perfectly sufficient metric for what is and is not acceptable. If it's illegal IRL, it should be illegal online, and vice versa - if it's legal IRL then it should be perfectly acceptable online.

 

[White_Raven_X]

Protection from civil liability is a privilege granted by government, it should be afforded to those companies in exchange for public service - guaranteed freedom of speech and expression, they should all be truly free and open platforms for the public. Many forms of expression, including calls for violence, are already not protected by the first amendment, so I think it's a perfectly sufficient metric for what is and is not acceptable. If it's illegal IRL, it should be illegal online, and vice versa - if it's legal IRL then it should be perfectly acceptable online.

Hey, look at that! I can finally agree with something you say.

 

[Foxi4]

Hey, look at that! I can finally agree with something you say.

I have an issue with your estimation of what is and is not a call for violence, but we can still share a sentiment for a free and open Web, independent of draconian terms of service and ridiculous speech limitations.

 

[Xzi]

If it's illegal IRL, it should be illegal online, and vice versa - if it's legal IRL then it should be perfectly acceptable online.

Absolutely, and that's the same reason there should be no controversy when a platform like Parler gets kicked off Google Play and the Apple Store for failing to moderate entirely. I expect any Trump-founded social media platform will share in that total lack of moderation, and share the same fate as a result.

 

[Nicky P]

Is trump trying to make a social media for him and his supporters?

 

[tabzer]

So your not in Japan...
Fascinating
So what happened to everything about you saying that you don't have a horse in the United States

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/12/26/national/qanon-japan-trump/


I am totally in Japan, lol. How did you misunderstand what I was saying?

https://www.google.com/search?q=japan+trump+rally

Click video to see how impressive it is.

 

[Foxi4]

Absolutely, and that's the same reason there should be no controversy when a platform like Parler gets kicked off Google Play and the Apple Store for failing to moderate entirely. I expect any Trump-founded social media platform will share in that total lack of moderation, and share the same fate as a result.

You have to consider the fact that Twitter and Facebook have the capital required to deploy AI and handle a lot of the moderation automatically - platforms like Parler (which I personally think is a grift) and Gab (which I'm more partial to, but it's still too janky for me to join) moderate manually with limited manpower, mostly basing decisions on reports. In all factuality, I would almost prefer if those decisions were always up to a human instead of a machine, it makes the network more organic, but that simply doesn't scale well unless you let everyone just run wild.

Besides, the Apple and Google Store issue is more a matter of anti-trust than 230 - it's very clear to me that the two companies are simply putting up a hedge around their marketplaces despite knowing full-well that those emerging platforms, or any emerging platform for that matter, will not have the capabilities of Twitter or Facebook overnight. The last thing I want is a sanitised Web, but since we live in closed app ecosystems now a new service doesn't even get a chance to grow if you don't have an app. Scale needs to be a factor. If anything, smaller platforms deserve *more* protection than Facebook or Twitter since they don't have the means to moderate content nearly as effectively.

If 230 isn't modified, and quickly, the future of free exchange of thoughts and ideas lies in encrypted and/or distributed platforms like Mastodon where every peer is a part of the network. I am Spartacus. Can recommend, actually - Mastodon servers are fun. Be careful not to play into Zuck's or Jack's hands too much - you might live to regret it when they look for a new boogeyman.

 

[Xzi]

Is trump trying to make a social media for him and his supporters?

That was the last thing he said on the POTUS twitter account before those tweets were removed, yes.

platforms like Parler (which I personally think is a grift) and Gab (which I'm more partial to, but it's still to janky for me to join) moderate the platform manually with limited manpower, mostly basing decisions on reports.

These are platforms which were created specifically to host speech that would get you banned basically anywhere else. Their systems for moderation were handicapped on purpose from the very beginning.

Be careful not to play into Zuck's or Jack's hand too much - you might live to regret it when they look for a new boogeyman.

Not a problem for me, I don't use Facebook or Twitter. I'm also not against the idea of Facebook, Google, Apple, and others being hit with anti-trust lawsuits, but I suppose that's a slightly different matter.

 

[GhostLatte]

Wouldn’t be surprised if Trump made a GBAtemp account

 

[Foxi4]

Wouldn’t be surprised if Trump made a GBAtemp account

We should be so lucky.

 

[Xzi]

Wouldn’t be surprised if Trump made a GBAtemp account

He doesn't even know how to use Twitter outside of the app, I seriously doubt he's gonna come here looking for info on how to hack his Switch.

 

[KingVamp]

We should be so lucky.

How long before he gets banned here too?

 

[Foxi4]

He doesn't even know how to use Twitter outside of the app, I seriously doubt he's gonna come here looking for info on how to hack his Switch.

Trump is obviously an Xbox guy. Series X is tall and thick, like a big beautiful wall, and it cannot be hacked because it's the best - designed in America by the best people. It has the best games and the best controller which is just the right size for his correctly-sized hands.

 

[White_Raven_X]

Trump is obviously an Xbox guy. Series X is tall and thick, like a big beautiful wall, and it cannot be hacked because it's the best - designed in America by the best people. It has the best games and the best controller which is just the right size for his correctly-sized hands.

Omg, this is so disturbing in so many ways! Lol

 

[GhostLatte]

He doesn't even know how to use Twitter outside of the app, I seriously doubt he's gonna come here looking for info on how to hack his Switch.

I do remember @Donald_Trump

 

[omgcat]

oops

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/202...?utm_medium=s1&utm_campaign=nym&utm_source=tw

not a good look.

 

[Foxi4]

oops

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/202...?utm_medium=s1&utm_campaign=nym&utm_source=tw

not a good look.

They can smell what's coming. Anyone who was a part of Trump's cabinet will be ostracised, so they're off the train while they can still save their careers. There are already calls in the media to never hire "these people" ever again, they know exactly what they're doing. Smart, if duplicitous.

 

[mikefor20]

Twitter has as much of a right to enforce their company policies as the bakery in Colorado did. Sounds like a double standard to me...

The bakers said no gays. Twitter said no hate speech.. yeah. So similar? No. I don't think so.

I don't think it should be entirely removed, but I can see it being altered or replaced accordingly. Websites *obviously* cannot be held legally liable for the content posted by their users - that's asinine. It would be as if a landlord was legally responsible for the illegal activity of their tennant.

Censorship is shit. Redactions. Altering posts. Sounds very.... Trumpish.. kinda 1942.. farenheit 451... And landlords should be held accountable for their Tenants actions if it's obvious and in the open. Then complacency is accessory to the crime.

I swear... The stuff some people come up with on this site!

Sometimes I forget it's acne ridden, mountain dew addicted, virgin shut in children for the most part aound here. Probably shouldn't even have political threads here. Most of you were born during the GW administration...

 

[tabzer]

They can smell what's coming. Anyone who was a part of Trump's cabinet will be ostracised, so they're off the train while they can still save their careers. There are already calls in the media to never hire "these people" ever again, they know exactly what they're doing. Smart, if duplicitous.

You can count on politicians to be politicians.

Censorship is shit. Redactions. Altering posts. Sounds very.... Trumpish.

Curious about this. How did Trump censor people?