Joe Biden Wins - Becomes 46th president of the United States

[tabzer]

The only things Democrats threw at him were consequences for his own actions, and much of the time they failed to do even that. He 100% deserved to be impeached, but I don't think the reasoning behind it was nearly as sound as it could have been.

Steele Dossier and bait after bait of trying to get him to do something impeachable. Totally disingenuous.

Lol no, I told you SCOTUS would decline to hear Texas' attempt to overturn the election, and I know they'll decline to hear this case too. That doesn't make the filing of the suit itself, or the singling out of the first POC vice president, any less disgustingly racist.

You were right about SCOTUS declining to hear the TX suit. I think you are right about them dismissing this case too.

"The natural-born-citizen clause has been mentioned in passing in several decisions of the United States Supreme Court, and by some lower courts that have addressed eligibility challenges, but the Supreme Court has never directly addressed the question of a specific presidential or vice-presidential candidate's eligibility as a natural-born citizen. Many eligibility lawsuits from the 2008, 2012, and 2016 election cycles were dismissed in lower courts due to the challengers' difficulty in showing that they had standing to raise legal objections. Additionally, some experts have suggested that the precise meaning of the natural-born-citizen clause may never be decided by the courts because, in the end, presidential eligibility may be determined to be a non-justiciable political question that can be decided only by Congress rather than by the judicial branch of government"

This is nothing new. And it isn't because Kamilla Harris is brown. Virtue signaling could look good on you if you didn't promote racism as being okay if done insidiously.

 

[Xzi]

Steele Dossier and bait after bait of trying to get him to do something impeachable. Totally disingenuous.

Rofl, disingenuous he says...knowing full well the Steele dossier had nothing to do with impeachment and was partially funded by Trump's Republican opponents during the primary.

This is nothing new. And it isn't because Kamilla Harris is brown.

Yeah I'm sure it's just coincidence, just like it was coincidence the first black president had to deal with birtherism, but the 43 white presidents to precede him didn't. Keep those blinders on.

Virtue signaling could look good on you if you didn't promote racism as being okay if done insidiously.

No idea what you mean by this. I'm racist toward the Republican party for accusing them of racism I guess? Sure, let's go with that.

 

[tabzer]

The only things Democrats threw at him were consequences for his own actions

Conveniently leaving out Democrats' involvement in the production of the Steele Dossier. Pretending it had nothing to do with launching an investigation in order to phishing and bait for impeachable offenses.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/aug/20/six-examples-obama-administration-spying-trump-cam/

Can't forget spygate.

To pretend that Democrats represent the righteous side of justice is totally laughable. It's a sad time to associate with any party these days.

Yeah I'm sure it's just coincidence, just like it was coincidence the first black president had to deal with birtherism, but the 43 white presidents to precede him didn't. Keep those blinders on.

If you could present the case of "birtherism" as a court document, I'll lend my eyes and tell you if a court document is racist. AFAIK people believed that Obama was not a natural born US citizen or he was from Kenya. Sure there is all kinds of racism and stereotyping tossed in with that, but then you are talking about people not legal motions.

Racism in the US is systemic in nature. The difference is that blatant racism doesn't get cheers from the Democratic party, it loses people their positions. Which is why they have to be far more subtle about it if they're going to be racist at all.

 

[Xzi]

Conveniently leaving out Democrats' involvement in the production of the Steele Dossier.

I said "partially funded" by his Republican opponents for a reason, obviously I wasn't denying Democrats later funded it as well. Again, disingenuous.

Not to mention: and oh boy you're sure gonna hate this part, but much of the Steele dossier has been proven true or corroborated by other sources, and so far not a single bit of it has been verified as false. Unsurprisingly, opposition research funded by both parties tends to be pretty solid.

https://www.businessinsider.com/steele-dossier-allegations-trump-russia-mueller-investigation-2019-1

https://www.lawfareblog.com/steele-dossier-retrospective

AFAIK people believed that Obama was not a natural born US citizen or he was from Kenya.

And why, pray tell, did they believe that without a second thought? Because there were libraries full of evidence backing the accusation? Or because they're Republicans and his skin is black?

 

[Master X]

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/aug/20/six-examples-obama-administration-spying-trump-cam/

Can't forget spygate.

For the 'Six examples', the majority of that was covered here was denied by Michael Horowitz (A Trump appointee) in his report on Crossfire Hurricane. The general gist was that the investigation wasn't pushed for political reasons. Considering how questionable WT is though, I'm not surprised that they ignored these findings.

https://www.justsecurity.org/67691/the-crossfire-hurricane-reports-inconvenient-findings/

It’s worth emphasizing, though, that the picture Horowitz paints remains fundamentally at odds with claims that FBI or DOJ leadership conspired to mislead the FISA Court, plotting to use surveillance of a peripheral campaign advisor as the linchpin of some Rube Goldbergian scheme to undermine the Trump Administration.

This picture is, in its own way, and for very different reasons, as disturbing as the image of a Deep State cabal with a vendetta against Trump: Vendettas are at least specific. Whereas the grave defects in the surveillance of Page seem more likely to be symptoms of a more apolitical, and therefore more systemic, form of bias. Their underlying causes—reliance on sources whose claims are hard to directly check, imperfect information, case agents making judgments about which facts in a vast sea of data might be legally material—aren’t peculiar to elections but endemic to intelligence.

tl:dr - Stereotypically inept government agency has a glue drinking contest.

Trump, of course, disagreed with the findings. But then again, see how he's disagreeing with... Well, everything right about now. He simply cannot admit defeat, and whenever he loses... Well, it's obviously a massive conspiracy against him. A conspiracy so deep, that even his own party has turned on him!

I've know of a saying that seems to fit Trump. If you spend all day running into assholes, maybe you're the asshole.

 

[tabzer]

The only things Democrats threw at him were consequences for his own actions

Again. This statement is disingenuous. Trump brought out the despicable side of politicians on both sides of the table. Democrats were not righteous in his term--or before his term.

And why, pray tell, did they believe that without a second thought? Because there were libraries full of evidence backing the accusation?

People still believe he isn't a US born American and that he was a Manchurian candidate because his history is strange/veiled/peculiar, atypical of American people--White or PoC.

Also, more evidence in this video that his birth certificate is a forgery than your allegation that suspicion of him was solely established on racism:



People will be racist, too. It's too bad racism is more important to you than trying to be understanding.

https://www.justsecurity.org/67691/the-crossfire-hurricane-reports-inconvenient-findings/

I know WT leans right and is considered invalid by people here just because of that, but can you post a Left/Centrist source that isn't 10 months older than the one I provided?

I don't know Trump personally to comment on his character. I've noticed what a lot of media tries to harbor a lot of negative feelings towards him, to the point where they distort context and misquote what he says. If he was really just a horrible person, then they wouldn't need to do that. But right off the bat, people claimed Trump called every single Mexican a rapist. That put me off from just blindly drinking that kool-aid. There are rapists crossing the border, and they are coming in through Mexico. That was a fact. It's possible that he phrases things like that so it's interpretable both ways, but the media tends to only want to cling to the racism bit when his whole life, up to that point, doesn't paint that picture. Joe Biden, tends to, verifiably, be every evil characteristic that was assumed about Trump. Is Trump not evil? I don't know.

But it's like Democrats convinced their base that Trump is all kinds of evil, and gets them to accept the fact that someone like that can be in office. Then they put in one of their own.

 

[Izual Urashima]

The "funny" thing in all that is the heavy double standard that is thrown here.

On Biden's side, any news is considered as fact (including the fact he is president, to the point White House officials had to make a statement about it, but it has already been covered to hell and beyond everywhere) without actual fact-checking by the medias who are supposed to do so, including big names. On Trump's side, any news is considered as fake news (including some things that has been confirmed thus far by official sources) by the same media.

Oh well. More drama and salt to add to the pile, more coffee for me to drink while I'll watch your world burn.

 

[Master X]

I know WT leans right and is considered invalid by people here just because of that, but can you post a Left/Centrist source that isn't 10 months older than the one I provided?

I was referring to WT's habitual failing of fact checks, rather than their political leanings.

And what, exactly, is the issue with the age of my source? The events that your source is trying to bring back up were all events that were addressed in the investigation into Crossfire Hurricane, which had its results released last year. My source was referring to the report over that investigation.

That reports conclusion, which WT (Which is a example of why they're not exactly the most accurate of news sources) decided to ignore? The investigations weren't politically charged, but were yet another example of a government agency being inept.

In WT's defense though, they might not have known about this report...I guess it's a simple case of WT being inept, as usual, rather than any sort of political agenda.

 

[smf]

Rosenbaum started chasing Kyle across the parking lot before he threw the object at him. It's also fairly unwise to throw anything at someone in the dark. Regardless, Rittenhouse was actively trying to avoid the three and did not shoot until he was charged. By that point the situation has already fulfilled the legal definition of a simple assault.

Because simple assault has the death penalty?

Only one side has the guns.

And the other side can order drone strikes.

There will not be a civil war to overturn a legitimate election just to keep a criminal in the white house for four more years

 

[Foxi4]

Because simple assault has the death penalty?

This has already been explored earlier in the thread.

 

[smf]

I have no idea, and it doesn't matter in the least. The constitution specifies that if you're born in the US, you're a US citizen.

I think you shouldn't be a US citizen if you can trace back your ancestors to someone who wasn't a US citizen.
Send everyone back to their ancestral home.

 

[Scarlet]

I think you shouldn't be a US citizen if you can trace back your ancestors to someone who wasn't a US citizen.
Send everyone back to their ancestral home.

surely that means nobody in the US would be eligible to vote, since they're all just traitors to the crown if you trace them back far enough?

actually i like this system, let's run with that

 

[smf]

surely that means nobody in the US would be eligible to vote, since they're all just traitors to the crown if you trace them back far enough?

actually i like this system, let's run with that

You can trace everyone back to Africa

Start the repatriation flights, Trump gets to go first.

 

[Foxi4]

surely that means nobody in the US would be eligible to vote, since they're all just traitors to the crown if you trace them back far enough?

actually i like this system, let's run with that

I propose that the President should be picked by means of a hot dog eating contest. There's nothing more American than competitive eating (yes, it's a sport, and yes, it's very entertaining).

 

[Bladexdsl]

I think you shouldn't be a US citizen if you can trace back your ancestors to someone who wasn't a US citizen.
Send everyone back to their ancestral home.

heh if only we could do that here!

 

[Foxi4]

You can trace everyone back to Africa

The "Out of Africa" theory is somewhat outdated, fossil records show that our species has existed outside of that continent for around 200,000 years.

http://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2...rica-sheds-light-behavior-early-homo-sapiens/

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-the-out-of-africa-theory-out/

Still the prevailing theory, to be fair, but there's strong evidence that it's actually incorrect. Asia is a likely second candidate for the origin of our species.

 

[smf]

heh if only we could do that here!

Where is "here"? Do you live in the sea?

The "Out of Africa" theory is somewhat outdated, fossil records show that our species has existed outside of that continent

God put those fossils there to fool you. I'm sure if you go back through the family tree of everyone alive then you'll find Africa. Go further back and you'll end up in the sea.

We should send countries back to where they came from too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gondwana

Seriously, it's not that Out of Africa is outdated but that there are opposing theories and the evidence can be made to fit either. For example, maybe there was an earlier migration out of africa.

 

[Bladexdsl]

Where is "here"? Do you live in the sea?

can't you read a flag?

 

[Foxi4]

God put those fossils there to fool you.

Can't refute that - makes sense. :V

 

[tabzer]

can't you read a flag?

What's wrong with New Zealand?