Joe Biden Wins - Becomes 46th president of the United States

[UltraSUPRA]

Another one of your bullshit made up claims America abolished it Dec 18th 1865 many other countries had done this years before including my own Country of Scotland where it was fully abolished in 1807.

You claim is almost as hilarious as your previous one of America being the least racist country in the world.

Fine, it was the fastest to abolish slavery. It took less than 100 years from independence to slavery abolition.

 

[smf]

I'm not sure that diseases like covid19 were what Thomas Jefferson had in mind when he spoke about dangerous freedom.

 

[KageNinja]

Here we see the Trumpette in its natural habitat, assuming the role of victim and letting fly its native screech. "REEE, REEE, THIS ELECTION STILL ISN'T OVER, REEE!" The enraged Trumpette can be heard for miles, echoing deep into the night.

For the record I support neither parties and am neutral I just find it strange that people are believing the media when they say say that he has won. It would be a major kick to the teeth if Trump got in after all of the fraud got exposed.

 

[ghjfdtg]

There is no evidence of wiedespread voter fraud.

I wonder how many times we need to repeat it.

 

[UltraSUPRA]

There is no evidence of wiedespread voter fraud.

I wonder how many times we need to repeat it.

Until it's true. Remember Dominion?

 

[Lacius]

ad 1: You have an inactive President in play at a time where Covid economical impact will hit full force, that just appointed an industry lobbyist as chief of staff.

President Trump is/was utterly inactive during the COVID-19 pandemic. Your audacity is on display when you call anyone other than Trump "inactive."

ad 2: That had in his program a pledge not to raise taxes for people with up to 400k of yearly income, when with Obama it was 200k. This means no effective tax raises for any programs whatsoever. So anything you plan to do that costs big money, has to be debt financed, or financed through corporate taxes, we know aint happening. Also, thats a structural claim, that makes no sense. Except if you 'believe'.

Tax raises on those making 400,000 a year can be effective. Also, this doesn't really address the point you were allegedly responding to.

ad 4: GDP is not a measure anymore that tells you how main street is doing. Financial gains have been decoupled from 'real' economic gains, and were responsible for most of GDP gain in the last 40 years. Also Obama watched over the Wall Street bailout after the 2008 financial market crisis, which tanked GDP - temporarily.

I never mentioned GDP. There are a lot of problems with using certain economic metrics, and I prefer to use something as objective as job additions and job losses. The rate of job growth under Trump was unchanged between when Trump took office and when COVID-19 hit. However, because of Trump's poor response to the pandemic, the economy tanked, and that's the closest thing we have to a "Trump economy."

The data is also very clear that economies tend to improve under Democratic presidents and tend to get worse under Republican presidents. You don't have to go very far into the past to observe this trend.

ad 5: In absolute numbers, there are always job gains (even through the worst stock market crash since the 1920s (?)), because your country is growing (immigration). Thats a platitude, you have to be more specific.

By literally every objective metric I can think of (unemployment numbers, job gains, GDP, etc.), the economy improved under Obama after he inherited the Great Recession economy. You can literally see where job gains skyrocket after the Democratic stimulus package. It's pretty ridiculous to argue that the Obama administration didn't improve the economy.

ad 6: Important point, but there are better ways to make it. 'No rate change' can actually be an achievement. (Generally speaking, not necessarily in this case.)

Trump gets no credit if the economy was unchanged between when Trump took office and when the economy spiraled downward. Trump does get credit for the economic downturn. It's not rocket science.

ad 7: True, but you increased competitiveness towards other economies, and now have more options for the coming months probably (can be argued, that you always had more options, because you can print USD). Also, there was no scenario in which Covid-19 could have been 'controlled' in the US pretty much since the beginning. Doesnt mean, you shouldnt try to mitigate it. (Reduce deaths.)

The United States is far worse off competitively now that it was before Trump. The inability to travel to a lot of countries because of Trump's poor COVID-19 management alone has hampered economic competition.

There absolutely were scenarios where COVID-19 cases, deaths, hospitalizations, and economic disaster could have been mitigated. Nobody is arguing it could have been nothing, other than when Trump said it would be nothing.

ad 8: Wrong. Corp america was on the side of 'keep the economy open for as long as possible'.

I don't care why Trump chose to bury his head in the sand. It happened. Trump utterly failed and continues to fail the country.

How does that get you 4 likes? Because it sounds good?

Respectfully, some of the points in your post were, at best, irrelevant to the conversation. At worst, they were steaming piles of shit. I don't care about likes, and I don't think likes are a reflection of the quality of one's post, but it's no wonder I got likes and you didn't. You're denying basic facts, presumably because they're inconvenient to the positions you've stupidly decided to type up and create a permanent record of.

 

[Master X]

Fine, it was the fastest to abolish slavery. It took less than 100 years from independence to slavery abolition.

As opposed to the countries that had it abolished upon their creation. For 100 years, the US allowed the further expansion of slavery, only stopping after a civil war that saw the deaths of over 750k people.

And besides, if you're arguing from formation to establishment then that particular crown would more likely go to The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, formed in 1932, which abolished slavery in 1962. 30 years, and unlike the US their country didn't tear itself apart in a effort to keep it around.

 

[Lacius]

My parents agree with me. My grandparents survived without a scratch. Try again.

First, it was a hypothetical. Second, 244,000 people didn't "survive without a scratch." But, as you already admitted, you don't care about the lives of strangers, which is why you can fuck yourself.

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No cost is too great for individual liberty.

The question is a moot point.

So, you're in favor of abolishing speed limits? No cost is too great for individual liberty.

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More like “it’s time for Lacuis to pass off his opinions and lies as facts”.



Your side doesn’t believe in God and doesn’t see any problem with sinning. Simply put, your side embraces evil.



Yes there is.



Yes he did.



Yeah right, that’s why he’s on video saying that the low GDP is the “new normal” and we just had to get used to it as it’s the best it’s going to get. Trump proved him wrong.



Not that many.



Yes it did, it got much better.



His response started in early January 2020 while all the Liberals did was call him a racist for shutting down the borders, putting in place travel restrictions and forming a task force to address the virus. I don’t see how you can call Trump’s response a disaster when your side waited 2 months to respond. If Trump’s response is a disaster then your sides response is a fucking catastrophe.



Lies, we’re not the only country that’s been infected. All one needs to do is compare the economic impact in the USA to other countries to see the impact was universal. Trump isn’t responsible for other countries virus response or their economies.



Biden is not the President elect until the Electoral College votes that he is.



Yawn, such low energy.



No, I do what’s right. You side is the one that puts logic aside for the way you all feel.



It’s important to me that the World remembers that the COVID-19 virus started in Wuhan, China. It was around for months before China decided to inform the world thus China was responsible for a Global Pandemic. It’s not racist to hold the people responsible for the virus and it spreading accountable for their actions. Besides, Wuhan, China isn’t populated by 100% Chinese so there’s no way calling the virus by its original name could be racist. You thinking that Wuhan, China is populated only be a certain race makes you the racist.



No I didn’t. I never said such a thing. I was just laughing at how you pulled a Libtard event and came up with some low percentage that doesn’t reflect jack shit thus not having any relevance what-so-ever.



I agree that there’s policies in place to penalize poor people for making or saving money. That needs to change. However, if you’ve spent as much time as I have in various low income areas or ghettos you’d realize that the minority are the ones that have actual reasons, such as disability, to be poor. The rest of the population are just freeloaders who rather not work, do drugs and not take care of their children (if they have them).



It’s important to me to keep calling the COVID-19 virus by its original name because it started in Wuhan, China and then China hid it from the world while it silently spread around the globe. It’s not racist to call something by the name that the media originally used for months nor is it racist to keep reminding people that the virus originated in Wuhan, China. You do realize that the Chinese media claims that the USA created the virus and is responsible for it spreading, don’t you? By not calling it by its original name you’re playing into the CCP’s hands. Frankly, China can go get fucked.

Did you intentionally improperly quote/tag me so I wouldn't see this post and not respond to it? I don't blame you if that's the case.

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America wasn't the first country to own slaves. America was the first country to abolish slavery.

Fact check: The United States was not the first country to abolish slavery.

 

[UltraSUPRA]

So, you're in favor of abolishing speed limits? No cost is too great for individual liberty.

Bad analogy. Speed limits protect the speeder more than everyone else. Masks protect strangers more than the wearer.

 

[SonowRaevius]

For the record I support neither parties and am neutral I just find it strange that people are believing the media when they say say that he has won. It would be a major kick to the teeth if Trump got in after all of the fraud got exposed.

AP has been calling the elections since 1848.......they are the same people that called all the other presidents of the US including Trump with other members of the press following soon after.

Trump supporters hooted and hollered in celebration when they did it in 2016, but now it is somehow suddenly an issue.

 

[Lacius]

Your side doesn’t believe in God and doesn’t see any problem with sinning. Simply put, your side embraces evil.

1. Not everyone on the left is an atheist. In fact, I'd argue not even a majority of people on the left are atheists. Joe Biden, for example, is a Catholic. So, already, this point makes no sense.
2. There is no evidence that a god exists.
3. If you are going to argue something is immoral or evil, you need to articulate a reason to think it's evil aside from "my imaginary friend said so."
4. I'm not the one who believes in a god that supports slavery and other objectively immoral actions, so fuck off for trying to pass off an evil god as a moral god.

Yeah right, that’s why he’s on video saying that the low GDP is the “new normal” and we just had to get used to it as it’s the best it’s going to get. Trump proved him wrong.=

It takes a certain kind of willful ignorance to not even Google a chart of US GDP growth over the years. The economy improved by virtually every objective metric under Obama. Arguing otherwise is just absurd. We have the numbers.

Or has four years of Trump made you forget that an objective reality with facts exists?

Not that many.

Again, you have the same access to Google that I have. I said this once to somebody, and I'm going to say it again: If you research something instead of spouting what you just feel like is true, you are going to look a lot less foolish, and you're going to be a lot less embarrassed.

Yes it did, it got much better.

The rate of job growth, objectively, didn't improve under Trump between when Trump took office and when COVID-19 hit. If we include COVID-19, job growth plummeted under Trump. Again, these are objective numbers.

His response started in early January 2020 while all the Liberals did was call him a racist for shutting down the borders, putting in place travel restrictions and forming a task force to address the virus. I don’t see how you can call Trump’s response a disaster when your side waited 2 months to respond. If Trump’s response is a disaster then your sides response is a fucking catastrophe.

Trump's border closings were, at best, too little too late, and at worst, an embarrassing and racist distraction from what needed to be done.

Trump gets no credit for a feckless task force that did virtually nothing under Trump. This is also the same task force that originally disbanded in April/May, since he was spouting nonsense that the pandemic was over.

The left didn't "wait two months to response." The left also wasn't in charge.

Trump's initial failures include, but aren't limited to:

1. Effectively ending the pandemic response team a year or two before the pandemic hit
2. Downplaying risks by saying publicly that COVID-19 was not a big deal and nobody should be worried <-- We know that this alone contributed and continues to contribute to increased infection rates
3. The lack of a federal response to address a lack of testing
4. The lack of a federal response to address a lack of PPE
5. A lack of a federal response to address social distancing
6. Encouraging states and municipalities to reopen too quickly
7. Encouraging states and municipalities not to shutdown at all
8. A failure to address needed financial stimulus aside from the initial round
9. Continuing to this day to peddle misinformation about masks, suggesting they cause one to be more likely to catch COVID-19
10. Suggesting disinfectant in the lungs can be an effective treatment against COVID-19
11. Continuing almost to this day to hold super spreader rallies with no social distancing and few masks, inside and outside

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_administration_communication_during_the_COVID-19_pandemic

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._federal_government_response_to_the_COVID-19_pandemic

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veracity_of_statements_by_Donald_Trump#COVID-19_pandemic

Lies, we’re not the only country that’s been infected. All one needs to do is compare the economic impact in the USA to other countries to see the impact was universal. Trump isn’t responsible for other countries virus response or their economies.

I never said we were the only country that has been infected. That being said, the response to COVID-19 in the United States was almost nonexistent (see above), and things are much worse in the United States than most other countries, both when it comes to cases and economics.

Biden is not the President elect until the Electoral College votes that he is.

That's actually not true. The president-elect is merely the apparent winner.

 

[notimp]

President Trump is/was utterly inactive during the COVID-19 pandemic. Your audacity is on display when you call anyone other than Trump "inactive."

Bad start. I called you out on seven factual issues in a "factcheck" posting. You come back with "who do you call inactive"?

Sweden - also still 'inactive'.

Stuff depends on projected growth rate also. Which differs by population density. If US never saw a path towards 'controlled spread' (where you follow up on clusters), deferring to local authorities, might have been the right move.

Whats not been 'the right move' was to sideline Fauci, not attend a corona taskforce meeting in 5 months, and publicly ridicule controll measures, making them 'a political statement' - which a thing in itself (mask, ...) is not.


Also - much more important. Doing the bare minimum at this stage, mostly in terms of public perception, in the middle of a health crisis, is not something I'd give Biden much credit for. Thats truly bipartisan. But also the bare minimum.

Thats not what you go into politics for. Thats - display of common sense type stuff.

Here is the policy stuff thats currently being teased:

Biden's big economic speech mentions:

-Big stimulus ($3 trillion)
-Electric vehicles + 550,000 new charging stations
-Modernizing infrastructure
-1.5 million new affordable housing units
-paid sick leave, paid family leave
-$15 minimum wage
-He's a 'union guy'

— Heather Long (@byHeatherLong) November 16, 2020

And thats largely BS.

1. 3 Trillion stimulus is 'Fed says you must' stuff. Because of Covid and the unemployment figures. No party politics, largely not even on the amount.
edit: Src: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/16/mor...eded-even-with-vaccines-bill-dudley-says.html

2. Electric Vehicles and 550.000 charging stations is 'US transition to EVs', state is subsidizing infrastructure cost - which is industry politics. Hardly any jobs created, hardly any impact in the next 10 years for people that dont own EVs currently, and even in the future. Replacement for gas stations. Hurray.

3. Modernizing Infrastructure. This is the big question - how big of an investment program are you able to produce? This is Christmas and Easter together for voter appeasement, so why should republicans allow extensive programs here? This is also a mere talking point in the green transitioning memo. When it comes to retrofitting. Which is about the only measure that doesnt cost jobs (potentially, likely) short term.

So this could mean a few things, with chances of 'mostly PR' still active.

4. Paid sick leave - wonderful, so this is the appeasement for 'no healthcare for all', backpeddling, changing the narrative. Increasing worker cost by a little. Raising productivity. US finally reached the 19th century (global comparison).

5. 15$ Minimum wage - again, this is a call for 'public investment', that has to be offset (where it fails) with state spending. Hurray? I mean its a proper measure alright, lets give it that. Of course - there already is pushback within the party, because its the only concrete measure announced.

6. He is a union guy. Great - but unions dont have any pull in the US anymore, because threat of 'we'll move production overnight' is very real. So that has to be put into international trade deals, that needs negotiation, ...


Also what of all this is 'democratic'? (As in leftist politics? Industry politics. One 'public investment' measure. Platitudes. Payed sick leave instead of healthcare.)

 

[Lacius]

Bad start. I called you out on seven factual issues in a "factcheck" posting. You come back with "who do you call inactive"?

Sweden - also still 'inactive'.

Stuff depends on projected growth rate also. Which differs by population density. If US never saw a path towards 'controlled spread' (where you follow up on clusters), deferring to local authorities, might have been the right move.

Whats not been 'the right move' was to sideline Fauci, not attend a corona taskforce meeting in 5 months, and publicly ridicule controll measures, making them 'a political statement' - which a thing in itself (mask, ...) is not.


Also - much more important. Doing the bare minimum at this stage, mostly in terms of public perception, in the middle of a health crisis, is not something I'd give Biden much credit for. Thats truly bipartisan. But also the bare minimum.

Thats not what you go into politics for. Thats - display of common sense type stuff.

Here is the policy stuff thats currently being teased:
https://twitter.com/byHeatherLong/status/1328435616342810627

And thats largely BS.

1. 3 Trillion stimulus is 'Fed says you must' stuff. Because of Covid and the unemployment figures. No party politics, largely not even on the amount.

2. Electric Vehicles and 550.000 charging stations is 'US transition to EVs', state is subsidizing infrastructure cost - which is industry politics. Hardly any jobs created, hardly any impact in the next 10 years for people that dont own EVs currently, and even in the future. Replacement for gas stations. Hurray.

3. Modernizing Infrastructure. This is the big question - how big of an investment program are you able to produce? This is Christmas and Easter together for voter appeasement, so why should republicans allow extensive programs here? This is also a mere talking point in the green transitioning memo. When it comes to retrofitting. Which is about the only measure that doesnt cost jobs (potentially, likely) short term.

So this could mean a few things, with chances of 'mostly PR' still active.

4. Paid sick leave - wonderful, so this is the appeasement for 'no healthcare for all', backpeddling, changing the narrative. Reducing worker cost. Raising productivity. US finally reached the 19th century (global comparison).

5. 15$ Minimum wage - again, this is a call for 'public investment', that has to be offset (where it fails) with public spending. Hurray? I mean its a proper measure alright, lets give it that. Of course - there already is pushback within the party, because its the only concrete measure announced.

6. He is a union guy. Great - but unions dont have any pull in the US anymore, because threat of 'we'll move production overnight' is very real. So that has to be put into international trade deals, that needs negotiation, ...


Also what of all this is 'democratic'? (As in leftist politics? Industry politics. One 'public investment' measure. Platitudes. Payed sick leave instead of healthcare.)

Like, look at my post that's literally above yours and educate yourself on Trump's inaction.

 

[notimp]

Like, look at my post that's literally above yours and educate yourself on Trump's inaction.

I'm not talking about Trump anymore. His inaction on Covid wasnt the issue.

The public narrative he created around it was. State politics picked up the slack (at least in counties where it mattered). US has a high deathrate for developed economies, but not an outrageously high one.

Sweden: Death rate per mil: 615
United States: Death rate per mil: 766
United Kingdom: Death rate per mil: 775

Also this election was not about Covid. In fact pollsters had Covid in their prediction models as a much more important factor than it turned out to be. So dont make this only about Covid.

Bidens inaction is not 'in Covid' its his inherent inability to do anything 'leftist politically' economically. During another crisis. Its another 'you've got Obama - he is bailing out the banks' moment. If at all...

 

[AmandaRose]

Bad analogy. Speed limits protect the speeder more than everyone else. Masks protect strangers more than the wearer.

Even that is another bullshit claim from you. More people die each year around the world from being knocked down than from actually being in the car.

More than half of all road traffic deaths are among vulnerable road users: pedestrians, cyclists, and motorcyclists.

Research has also shown that if you are hit by a car at 30 mph rather than 40 mph your chance of survival doubles. Speed limits protect innocent pedestrians more than it does the driver.


https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/road-traffic-injuries0000000000

 

[Lacius]

Bad analogy. Speed limits protect the speeder more than everyone else. Masks protect strangers more than the wearer.

Speed limits protect the speeder and the other person. Masks protect the wearer and the other person. They're analogous. I honestly don't know how many times I've informed you of this. Your ignorance is willful, and you should be ashamed.

 

[KingVamp]

Well, tbf, Trump is actively encouraging people not to take this virus seriously.

 

[Deleted User]

Jesus Christ, 109 pages O-o

 

[notimp]

Correction on 1. The stuff that will see the light of day out of that is 'FED says you must' stuff.

No one is believing that Senate will actually pass the 'Heroes act' in that form - anytime soon.
https://www.businessinsider.in/poli...us-plan-as-unserious/articleshow/79272266.cms

So the amount currently is disputed. Again, with bad cards for democrats. In fact, they know it wont get passed in that form - and did make it their main talking point for PR reasons anyhow.

 

[UltraSUPRA]

Well, tbf, Trump is actively encouraging people not to take this virus seriously.

A virus with a 99.5+% survival rate for anyone under the age of 70.

Speed limits protect the speeder and the other person. Masks protect the wearer and the other person.

To the same extent?