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Joe Biden Wins - Becomes 46th president of the United States

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The middle eastern wars cost each American $10,000.
I doubt Trump's updates came anywhere near to that.
That calculation probably is missing some figures on the 'gains' side. ;)

Remember, the quid pro quo is not always 'but then we can have our industrial giants 'develop your country'' (get your oil companies in to extraxt oil at low cost). The quid pro quo is to keep the resource trade fluid and business opportunities open in general. (Which is pretty likely, if you just built a military base there.. ;) )

Getting profits from your own infrastructure companies, now being active in those countries is just the most premium racket there is. ;)

Because you can do that - while building up 'debt' in those countries (infrastructure development), which then goes to your infrastructure companies (you get credit, but you have to use US companies). Meaning all the money you spend, comes back to you with interest. While raising the structural dependance, of the country you develop. While making sure to extract resources at low cost. Fruits of war. :)

Issue - everyone knows the racket by now. (China even developed a different model, where they actually gift you infrastructure up front.) So different models of getting financing back have to be developed.

But in the end, free world wide trade, benefits more US interests than just the military industrial complex.. ;)
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That said, no one knows why you invaded Afghanistan. Seriously. The heck did you do there? Teach democracy? ;)

(Most likely explanation is that you had all those people in military contracts, f*cked up from the Irak invasion, you didnt want back in your country yet, so you created an 'adventure vacation' for them. But then, people died there...)
 
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I think you misunderstand what you are saying.

No cost, whether it's masks or lockdown, is too great. Right?

But you're arguing in all your posts as if the cost is too great.
No cost is too great for individual liberty.
you didnt answer the question
The question is a moot point.
 

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No cost is too great for individual liberty.
The cost is too great the moment you put someone else's life and/or liberty in danger. Your absolute comfort and convenience does not take precedence over the baseline health and well-being of others. I understand that in this particular case you actually are a child, but this selfish and entitled mentality is exactly why nobody can take Republicans seriously as adults any more. Y'all act like the biggest tough guys right up until the moment when you're confronted with the smallest possible inconvenience, then immediately drop to the floor screaming and flailing.
 

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answer the question please
No.
The cost is too great the moment you put someone else's life and/or liberty in danger. Your absolute comfort and convenience does not take precedence over the baseline health and well-being of others. I understand that in this particular case you actually are a child, but this selfish and entitled mentality is exactly why nobody can take Republicans seriously as adults any more. Y'all act like the biggest tough guys right up until the moment when you're confronted with the smallest possible inconvenience, then immediately drop to the floor screaming and flailing.
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America wasn't the first country to own slaves. America was the first country to abolish slavery.
"Haiti (then Saint-Domingue) formally declared independence from France in 1804 and became the first sovereign nation in the Western Hemisphere to unconditionally abolish slavery in the modern era."

Guess homeschool isn't working out too well for you is it?
 
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Lacius said:
Fact check:

More like “it’s time for Lacuis to pass off his opinions and lies as facts”.

Lacius said:
There's no reason to think we will have "dark times" when Biden is president.

Your side doesn’t believe in God and doesn’t see any problem with sinning. Simply put, your side embraces evil.

Lacius said:
There's no reason to think things will "get worse than when Obama was president."

Yes there is.

Lacius said:
Obama did not stoke race wars.

Yes he did.

Lacius said:
Obama brought the GDP way up, not down.

Yeah right, that’s why he’s on video saying that the low GDP is the “new normal” and we just had to get used to it as it’s the best it’s going to get. Trump proved him wrong.

Lacius said:
There were job gains under Obama, not losses.

Not that many.

Lacius said:
The rate of economic improvement did not change under Trump (pre-COVID).

Yes it did, it got much better.

Lacius said:
Including Trump's ineffective response to COVID-19, we saw and continue to see economic disaster under Trump.

His response started in early January 2020 while all the Liberals did was call him a racist for shutting down the borders, putting in place travel restrictions and forming a task force to address the virus. I don’t see how you can call Trump’s response a disaster when your side waited 2 months to respond. If Trump’s response is a disaster then your sides response is a fucking catastrophe.

Lacius said:
Economies wouldn't have been hit as hard if there had been an effective response to COVID-19 from the Trump administration.

Lies, we’re not the only country that’s been infected. All one needs to do is compare the economic impact in the USA to other countries to see the impact was universal. Trump isn’t responsible for other countries virus response or their economies.

Lacius said:
It's not a matter of "if" Biden will win. Biden is the president-elect.

Biden is not the President elect until the Electoral College votes that he is.

smf said:
You're easily fooled then, go build another strawman.

Yawn, such low energy.

smf said:
Everyone is a hypocrit. You just lack the self awareness to see it in yourself. Because you just do whatever makes you feel good and whatever you want to do.

No, I do what’s right. You side is the one that puts logic aside for the way you all feel.

smf said:
Well you keep calling it China Wuhan Virus, so yeah it makes sense to call you a racist.
Liberals can be racist too, the difference is they try to not be and change. While you embrace it and say there is nothing wrong with the statements you make.

It’s important to me that the World remembers that the COVID-19 virus started in Wuhan, China. It was around for months before China decided to inform the world thus China was responsible for a Global Pandemic. It’s not racist to hold the people responsible for the virus and it spreading accountable for their actions. Besides, Wuhan, China isn’t populated by 100% Chinese so there’s no way calling the virus by its original name could be racist. You thinking that Wuhan, China is populated only be a certain race makes you the racist.

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You claimed that no young people died without underlying health conditions. I disagreed.
You told me to prove it. I did.

No I didn’t. I never said such a thing. I was just laughing at how you pulled a Libtard event and came up with some low percentage that doesn’t reflect jack shit thus not having any relevance what-so-ever.

RandomUser said:
These people are probably the wrong kind of poor to make example of. Either that they are trying to hide that they are poor due to social stigmas of being poor. I'm not denying that they exist and perhaps abuses the system but keep in mind that there are those that are actually poor and some don't even have kid(s). There are legitimate poor people actually needs these things just to survive, mainly the unrepresentative or underrepresented minorities that largely gets ignored. Also the system is design to keep them poor, heck they are not even allowed to save money for the rainy day or anything else, or else they either lose their benefit, their health insurance, or both. Every programs out their that supposed to help people get to home ownership are a joke, because these people will not qualify enough to even get one foot into the door, even with loans like USDA. Also consider with some seniors, their raise that they sometimes get annually, gets canceled out by the medicare premiums, thus keeping them in worst off shape because they have even less money to spend on the economy due to inflation. I should also mentioned that depending on the benefit type, the people are not even allowed to get married or again they lose the aforementioned things.

I agree that there’s policies in place to penalize poor people for making or saving money. That needs to change. However, if you’ve spent as much time as I have in various low income areas or ghettos you’d realize that the minority are the ones that have actual reasons, such as disability, to be poor. The rest of the population are just freeloaders who rather not work, do drugs and not take care of their children (if they have them).

KingVamp said:
That's a lot of effort to write that every single time than just saying virus or covid.

It’s important to me to keep calling the COVID-19 virus by its original name because it started in Wuhan, China and then China hid it from the world while it silently spread around the globe. It’s not racist to call something by the name that the media originally used for months nor is it racist to keep reminding people that the virus originated in Wuhan, China. You do realize that the Chinese media claims that the USA created the virus and is responsible for it spreading, don’t you? By not calling it by its original name you’re playing into the CCP’s hands. Frankly, China can go get fucked.
 
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Look, there is moral stance, and there are numbers that kind of have you do something. Regardless of moral stance.

Also, as the US did its final metamorphosis, from the enlightenment to Wallstreet the movie, to full on flirting with fashism - you kinda start to wonder what was meant by this original statement.

I mean - dont trade with the UK, sure - but, is any statement really worth to have people live their lives by it?

It might be your 'highest' maxime - but what do the numbers look like?
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You've got to pay special attention to sensitive matters like "if privacy gone" "checks and balances gone" or "if facebook censors without recourse" "facebook creates societal values, based on corporate principles" and "facebook creates reality".

But there kind of never should be 'maximes' that shouldnt be challenged or revisited.

And if at one point you find yourself shouting in the public street, that hospitals ought to 'just deal with it' or close up - because, personal freedoms, you might not be in the right.

Slippery slope argument sure - but you also can go the other direction as a society as well. (Kind of 'shake your chains'.) And so far, not that many dictator types were voted into office.

Trump had the personality - but lacked the attention span and focus. ;)
 

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"if facebook censors without recourse" "facebook creates societal values, based on corporate principles" and "facebook creates reality".

The problem with social media defining the truth is the fact that people put way too much value in it. I don't give two flying fucks what some Face Book executive thinks or feels as I don't allow his thoughts and feelings don't dictate what's real or what's fake. Think about it. You're allowing some moderator dictate to you what's real and what's not. Why would you be so stupid to hold social media in such a high regard that you base your reality from what you consume on it? Fuck social media. I don't have 1 single account on social media nor ever plan to ever open one. If I did have any accounts on social media I'd delete them right away.
 
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The problem with social media defining the truth is the fact that people put way too much value in it. I don't give two flying fucks what some Face Book's executive thinks or feels as his thoughts and feelings don't dictate what's real or what's fake.
The issue is the 'majority narrative' or the 'majority consensus'. Its almost impossible to have this created - in a democracy - by a player that has 'superior means', and no corrective.

Media isnt homogeneous (200 mio put up for Trump media network, I hear.. ;) ) - every interest group could at least found a newspaper (some pretty populist rags amongst them, historically - as well as corporate papers), with public access TV - you still hold up the notion that 'everyone could broadcast over the TV network', which today roughly translates to 'everyone can have their youtube channel'.

But with social media, you have a new meta. The media company, that says, we are not a media company - we have no editorial interest, and then edits the 'major narrative' and stories out of existence. Where you cant just 'found another network' (literally impossible because of networkeffects, and at what point of 'scaling' you are bought up by a competitor), that could even have the possibility of mattering 'nearly as much'. Not even in 50 years.

At the same time people are optimizing for 'most easy consumption' (Tic Toc, very popular) -- which is the main business interest of that network. Making it so 'easy' (scroll, scroll, scroll) - all other forms of informing yourself dont interest you anymore. And on top of it, giving you what you want - self confirmation, through bubbles, and more extreme, and more questionable content by the minute, because - as an old saying goes:

The outrageous content gets watched by:

People who like it.
People who dont like it.
People who are enraged by it.
People who are amused by it.
....

So you optimize for really owning consumption patterns of people (scroll, scroll, scroll). You cant get challenged, because of network effects and amount of initial investment to compete. You have no self control measures like 'an internal code to stay impartial or fair', you have no expertise in the matter (you are not a journalistic outlet), but you are defining what peoples realities are.

Real is - what you believe. What you believe is formed by what you read (consume).

Easiest way to understand this is to try to wrap your head around the notion, that there can be multiple 'truths' on a topic, that might even conflict.

Also regardless of self-monitoring. You'd really need competition in the field. So the 'second extremist twitter' idea - is not that bad, as it looks on first, second and twentyfounth glance. :) The issue there is that - what good is it, if you are creating bubbles again? That get more and more extreme. (In theory.)

So the solution is always to educate more people about concepts of 'media literacy' (what am I reading, how does this media thing work, what is "tha truth", how does media competition work, how does PR work, whats the role of a whistleblower in society, whats the role of a journalist, what role do blogs play (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trust_Me,_I'm_Lying (imho still the best primer)) how can journalists be held responsible (first, by learning their names, or at least the name of their publication) - if all of this 'looks like native facebook content to you', ...). And this is flipping hard, if your competitor advertises 'just scroll, scroll, scroll, ...'.
 
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America wasn't the first country to own slaves. America was the first country to abolish slavery.
Another one of your bullshit made up claims America abolished it Dec 18th 1865 many other countries had done this years before including my own Country of Scotland where it was fully abolished in 1807.

You claim is almost as hilarious as your previous one of America being the least racist country in the world.
 
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