Joe Biden is now officially the 46th President of the United States of America

[djpannda]

You're blind thick

..yup Thank God for National Health System.. otherwise I would not able to get Glasses...

 

[Hanafuda]

It's disappointing, but it's not because he doesn't want to. He doesn't think he can with an executive order, and he might be right. I'd still at least try, but again, he probably can't do it via executive order. He also still plans on using an executive order to forgive some debt.

Question is, if he thinks he doesn't have the authority to cancel $50k of everyone's student loan debt by executive order, why does he think he can cancel $10k?

 

[Plasmaster09]

Question is, if he thinks he doesn't have the authority to cancel $50k of everyone's student loan debt by executive order, why does he think he can cancel $10k?

Because there exist a marginal fraction of people who are too fucking greedy to let him do $50k but are somehow just barely rational enough to allow $10k.
Honestly, he should just cancel $literally all of it altogether, but Shamzie's demonstrated wonderfully that there exist too many self-serving, irrational and overall greed-oriented dickbags for Biden to do that without them pulling another insurrection.

 

[D34DL1N3R]

Yes

Or be Trump and act like a 5 year old.


Trump is the child, Biden is the Old Man

That is the same comparison I was making. Trump being the BARELY younger 21 yr old, but acting far more childish.

 

[Lacius]

Question is, if he thinks he doesn't have the authority to cancel $50k of everyone's student loan debt by executive order, why does he think he can cancel $10k?

I haven't heard a satisfactory answer from him or anyone else on that.

 

[tthousand]

First off... nothing is ever free. Someone is losing money, and someone is making money. Taxpayers are already paying for the "free" education up to the 12th grade. The problem is that money is wasted on poor education standards... which could be changed, but the powers that be prefer to keep dumbing down the education they provide.

And the problem with wiping 10k debt off of student loans, is that the 10k (times who knows how many) is going to end up costing more than 10k per person. You have to consider interest for borrowing the 10k for each individual and costs for implementing the process. The corporation of the United States is already well beyond broke thanks to the "Federal" reserve system, which is not in the slightest bit Federal.

The is no such thing as FREE education or health care... only higher taxes. And those taxes are without representation. Most of those taxes go into paying the Federal Reserve their interest, while only fractions go for what they are meant to go for.

 

[Plasmaster09]

First off... nothing is ever free. Someone is losing money, and someone is making money. Taxpayers are already paying for the "free" education up to the 12th grade. The problem is that money is wasted on poor education standards... which could be changed, but the powers that be prefer to keep dumbing down the education they provide.

And the problem with wiping 10k debt off of student loans, is that the 10k (times who knows how many) is going to end up costing more than 10k per person. You have to consider interest for borrowing the 10k for each individual and costs for implementing the process. The corporation of the United States is already well beyond broke thanks to the "Federal" reserve system, which is not in the slightest bit Federal.

The is no such thing as FREE education or health care... only higher taxes. And those taxes are without representation. Most of those taxes go into paying the Federal Reserve their interest, while only fractions go for what they are meant to go for.

I mean
since taxpayers are already paying
why can't more of the tax money be used to ensure effectively free or at least affordable education and healthcare for all, and less of the tax money be used for things that don't deserve it?
besides, the best solution isn't wiping 10k off student loans.
it's wiping student loans off of education.
in fact, it's wiping fees off of education.
if tax money is going to go into forgiving student loan debt, why not go whole hog and use that tax money to fund the schools in the first place while preventing them from charging the students a cent?

 

[tthousand]

The only way for us as a country to wipe out debt would be to turn away from the petro dollar the the worldwide federal reserve system. If we go back to the gold standard and rid our system of the corrupt/illegal/blood money, then we can start talking debt forgiveness. As long as the game is continued to be rigged, we will not win.

 

[Plasmaster09]

The only way for us as a country to wipe out debt would be to turn away from the petro dollar the the worldwide federal reserve system. If we go back to the gold standard and rid our system of the corrupt/illegal/blood money, then we can start talking debt forgiveness. As long as the game is continued to be rigged, we will not win.

...What?
You don't need the gold standard to forgive debt.
All you need to forgive student loan debt is a) properly reallocated funds and b) Congress doing the forgiving and telling the scumbags profitizing education to go fuck themselves.

 

[tthousand]

I mean
since taxpayers are already paying
why can't more of the tax money be used to ensure effectively free or at least affordable education and healthcare for all, and less of the tax money be used for things that don't deserve it?
besides, the best solution isn't wiping 10k off student loans.
it's wiping student loans off of education.
in fact, it's wiping fees off of education.
if tax money is going to go into forgiving student loan debt, why not go whole hog and use that tax money to fund the schools in the first place while preventing them from charging the students a cent?

The problem lies in the schooling system. And yes, it also lies in the wasted money on frivolous things that the money should not be spent on. But if the schooling system would actually attempt to increase our children's education standards instead of diminishing them, we would be better off. But the problem is the powers that be do not want an educated society.

And yes, the best solution is a better education, and to get rid of the corrupt banking systems we are all slaves to. But we will not see any major debt relief as long as our bloated government (which is no longer by the people, nor for the people) is given back to the citizens and stripped away from the corporate elites and world wide bankers.

I remember very young thinking the education we were receiving in public school was laughable. Most would agree that it is trash. It would be great to clean it up, but how can we?

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...What?
You don't need the gold standard to forgive debt.
All you need to forgive student loan debt is a) properly reallocated funds and b) Congress doing the forgiving and telling the scumbags profitizing education to go fuck themselves.

The problem is most politicians do not give one flying fuck about you or me. They are only concerned with their power, and their families power (guess what, all their kids get the best of the best private schooling). They are not about the cut their pensions so our children can compete against their children. They are not about to go and tell the corrupt banks to go fuck themselves either. They will continue to put money where it shouldn't be, while the rest of us argue over crumbs. It has been that way for as long as any of us in this thread have been alivel and while the wool is continued to be pulled over our eyes, most of us will never see the truth.

 

[Plasmaster09]

The problem lies in the schooling system. And yes, it also lies in the wasted money on frivolous things that the money should not be spent on. But if the schooling system would actually attempt to increase our children's education standards instead of diminishing them, we would be better off. But the problem is the powers that be do not want an educated society.

And yes, the best solution is a better education, and to get rid of the corrupt banking systems we are all slaves to. But we will not see any major debt relief as long as our bloated government (which is no longer by the people, nor for the people) is given back to the citizens and stripped away from the corporate elites and world wide bankers.

I remember very young thinking the education we were receiving in public school was laughable. Most would agree that it is trash. It would be great to clean it up, but how can we?

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The problem is most politicians do not give one flying fuck about you or me. They are only concerned with their power, and their families power (guess what, all their kids get the best of the best private schooling). They are not about the cut their pensions so our children can compete against their children. They are not about to go and tell the corrupt banks to go fuck themselves either. They will continue to put money where it shouldn't be, while the rest of us argue over crumbs. It has been that way for as long as any of us in this thread have been alive, and while the wool is continued to be pulled over our eyes, most of us will never see the truth.

you were on the right track but then you needed to turn everything into a persecution-complex conspiracy

 

[tthousand]

you were on the right track but then you needed to turn everything into a persecution-complex conspiracy

I have some questions for you.

1) When was the federal reserve system created?

2) Who opposed the federal reserve system?

3) What happened to those individuals?

4) Who was President at the time the federal reserve system came to be?

5) What was his opinion of the system after he instated it?

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Answers:

1) 1913

2) Benjamin Guggenheim, Isador Strauss, John Astor

3) All three died when the Titanic sunk

4) Woodrow Wilson

5)

I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world - no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men.

 

[Plasmaster09]

I have some questions for you.

1) When was the federal reserve system created?

2) Who opposed the federal reserve system?

3) What happened to those individuals?

4) Who was President at the time the federal reserve system came to be?

5) What was his opinion of the system after he instated it?

I have a couple for you.

1) Why is any of this relevant to the core topic at hand, which is just student loan debts and not the convoluted system that may or may not serve as a small or large obstacle to one possible solution thereof?

2) Why must you turn nearly everything into some conspiracy where They, The Guys In Charge, The Powers That Be, etc. are opposed to whatever you want at the moment and thus everything non-positive within the government must be their Complex Malicious Machinations (TM) at work to oppose your ideologies specifically?

oh and 3) Did you seriously just insinuate that the sinking of the Titanic was a fucking government conspiracy?

 

[Julie_Pilgrim]

you were on the right track but then you needed to turn everything into a persecution-complex conspiracy

They're always so close to the truth

 

[tthousand]

I have a couple for you.

1) Why is any of this relevant to the core topic at hand, which is just student loan debts and not the convoluted system that may or may not serve as a small or large obstacle to one possible solution thereof?

2) Why must you turn nearly everything into some conspiracy where They, The Guys In Charge, The Powers That Be, etc. are opposed to whatever you want at the moment and thus everything non-positive within the government must be their Complex Malicious Machinations (TM) at work to oppose your ideologies specifically?

oh and 3) Did you seriously just insinuate that the sinking of the Titanic was a fucking government conspiracy?

1) It is very relevant when you are looking at who is control of the money, and the who debt is ultimately paid to. Who is going to profit and lose the most when it comes to the education of US citizens?

2) What is theoretical about it, when the history and documentation is there, although hidden to most as it was intended to be?

3) No... I simply stated facts about what happened to the main opponents of the Federal Reserve system... which again, is NOT a government organization. It is a private company... and I assume most are at least educated enough to guess which family owns and runs it. It would not be the first or last time something like this coincidentally happens in history either.

 

[Plasmaster09]

1) It is very relevant when you are looking at who is control of the money, and the who debt is ultimately paid to.Who is going to profit and lose the most when it comes to the education of US citizens.

2) What is theoretical about it, when the history and documentation is there, although hidden to most as it was intended to be?

3) No... I simply stated facts about what happened to the main opponents of the Federal Reserve system... which again, is NOT a government organization. It is a private company... and I assume most are at least educated enough to guess which family owns and runs it.

1) No, not really. It's tangential details you insisted on bringing in so that you could self-victimize more.
2) It's entirely theoretical. Corruption exists, but massive networked conspiracies conveniently opposed to what you specifically want... don't.
3) You seem to have a tendency to state individual things, blatantly suggest something and then motte-and-bailey away when you're challenged on it. You seriously insinuated the Titanic was sunk because the opponents of the Federal Reserve were all on it (or that they were put on it with intent to sink them with the ship), which is one of the dumbest "old past event X was a conspiracy" suggestions I've heard in a while.

 

[tthousand]

1) No, not really. It's tangential details you insisted on bringing in so that you could self-victimize more.
2) It's entirely theoretical. Corruption exists, but massive networked conspiracies conveniently opposed to what you specifically want... don't.
3) You seem to have a tendency to state individual things, blatantly suggest something and then motte-and-bailey away when you're challenged on it. You seriously insinuated the Titanic was sunk because the opponents of the Federal Reserve were all on it (or that they were put on it with intent to sink them with the ship), which is one of the dumbest "old past event X was a conspiracy" suggestions I've heard in a while.

Let's leave it as this. I do not like to tell people what to think. I simply give them my opinions, or what I have heard, or ask questions. It's up to the reader to decide for them selves what to make of it.

Did I say the three people who just happened to have enough power to oppose a private banking owning America were murdered in an attempt to make way? Or did I simply state the facts of the matter and let you come to that conclusion yourself?

I am smart enough to know I cannot change anyone. That is up to the individual themself to peruse their own truths... or lies.

 

[Plasmaster09]

Let's leave it as this. I do not like to tell people what to think. I simply give them my opinions, or what I have heard, or ask questions. It's up to the reader to decide for them selves what to make of it.

Did I say the three people who just happened to have enough power to oppose a private banking owning America were murdered in an attempt to make way? Or did I simply state the facts of the matter and let you come to that conclusion yourself?

I am smart enough to know I cannot change anyone. That is up to the individual themself to peruse their own truths... or lies.

dude, that's a lie and you know it
you're using standard "I'm not saying [stupid bullshit], I'm 'giving you the facts'" tactics, which just amounts to saying stupid bullshit but with just enough deniability to SEEM like you aren't saying stupid bullshit from the perspective of someone with two brain cells
this isn't a conservative talk show, it's a public forum
it's not the place for vacuous statements meaninglessly tied together into unfathomably stupid conspiracies

 

[tthousand]

dude, that's a lie and you know it
you're using standard "I'm not saying [stupid bullshit], I'm 'giving you the facts'" tactics, which just amounts to saying stupid bullshit but with just enough deniability to SEEM like you aren't saying stupid bullshit from the perspective of someone with two brain cells
this isn't a conservative talk show, it's a public forum
it's not the place for vacuous statements meaninglessly tied together into unfathomably stupid conspiracies

You opinions are you own and not mine. I am free to continue to say whatever I want, and so are you. I draw the line at trying to force my opinions on others though. This conversation would be a lot more healthy if other's respected other's rights to free thought. It is nothing to be scared of... it might sting at first, but we can get over it.

 

[Plasmaster09]

You opinions are you own and not mine. I am free to continue to say whatever I want, and so are you. I draw the line at trying to force my opinions on others though. This conversation would be a lot more healthy if other's respected other's rights to free thought. It is nothing to be scared of... it might sting at first, but we can get over it.

dude, you're spouting conspiracies and then lying about it
there's opinions and then there's not admitting that you're saying what you're saying because said opinions are a) peddled as fact, which gives others free rein to absolutely shred them if they're incorrect, and b) really fucking stupid