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Trump took everything about the border, including ICE, and made it worse. On top of trying to get rid of DACA. As for "open borders", I haven't seen any actual movement for this. In fact, the times I seen that statement the most, is from the people complaining about it. Not that it matters. Anything short of actually making an union like the EU, it is not going to happen.

ACA would have been a full on public option, if it didn't get blocked. Not that I don't see a problem of wanting better healthcare.

The whole country is slowly reversing their thoughts on the war on drugs. This isn't a bad thing either. While "defund the police" is a bad phase, no matter what people actually mean by that, reform needs to happen.

As for guns, not every gun owner is the same. Some want better gun laws for example.
I'm quite happy with widespread decriminalisation of drug possession, in fact, I can see it as a potential economic boom on the horizon, and the stock market agrees given the sheer amount of "weed stonks" available these days and their year-to-year performance. I think legal drugs subject to FDA approval would not only reduce the levels of gang violence, which is often linked with back alley drug deals going sideways, it would also make the whole thing safer for users. Laced drugs are not uncommon since the number one priority for the average dealer is to have large volume of cheap and highly addictive drugs - safety is on the back burner. We've learned this lesson during prohibition and immediately forgot. People are going to indulge in these kinds of vices regardless, the best thing a government can do is ensure that it's safe without leaving a void ready to be filled in by organised crime.

In terms of gun control, there are certain regulations that I would like to see implemented and others that should be rescinded - far too many to even list without a dedicated thread just about gun control. There's a lot of focus put on the tool and not a lot on the person holding it. Progressively gimping the hammer doesn't fix the problem of guys running around bludgeoning people, you're only hurting the ones who don't and just need to hammer some nails in.

In regards to the border, some degree of physical barriers in areas that border patrol can't monitor effectively makes perfect sense - illegal immigration shouldn't be the default mode of entering the country for the "downtrodden". On the flip side, I think that getting citizenship the legal way should be fairly simple and straightforward, and right now it's not - it can take years to get it done, in no small part due to poor communication between the US and its neighbours. Deportation I won't even touch with a long stick - it's always rough regardless of how you do it, but the way I see it, actions have consequences - entering the country illegally is, as the name implies, illegal. I don't see why we should forget that part.

In terms of police reform, I don't think defunding the police is the answer - more proactive policing is. The number of police officers shouldn't decrease, it should increase, but at the same time there's no reason why they should be getting increasingly large amounts of military-grade gear. It's another chestnut with no clear answers in sight.

In terms of universal healthcare, I'm not a fan - I should know, I've lived under two of those systems and I'm yet to decide which one was worse. I see the merit in a limited public option for those who simply can't afford the alternative, but overall I'm leaning towards a free market solution occasionally refunding some treatments as opposed to the opposite - a heavily regulated public option with occasional private elective procedures. I don't think the current setup can be "fixed" or reformed, it needs to be torn down and rebuilt from scratch. A lot of the issues don't start at the hospital's threshold, they start in the insurance companies which operate at ridiculous profit margins without offering competitive service. If I were to reform things, I'd start with regulating them, not healthcare providers.
 
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I really don't think he meant to say that. It was just the Alzheimer's.

The past 4 years have not been nice to this dude (coincidentally while Trump was in office). Perhaps he is not getting his "fix".

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The past 4 years have not been nice to this dude (coincidentally while Trump was in office). Perhaps he is not getting his "fix".

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If I had to spend four years watching in abject horror as a narcissistic clown-manchild tore down everything my former boss and campaign partner spent his term doing, I'd probably look like an "After" photo as well.
I'm quite happy with widespread decriminalisation of drug possession, in fact, I can see it as a potential economic boom on the horizon, and the stock market agrees given the sheer amount of "weed stonks" available these days and their year-to-year performance. I think legal drugs subject to FDA approval would not only reduce the levels of gang violence, which is often linked with back alley drug deals going sideways, it would also make the whole thing safer for users. Laced drugs are not uncommon since the number one priority for the average dealer is to have large volume of cheap and highly addictive drugs - safety is on the back burner. We've learned this lesson during prohibition and immediately forgot. People are going to indulge in these kinds of vices regardless, the best thing a government can do is ensure that it's safe without leaving a void ready to be filled in by organised crime.

In terms of gun control, there are certain regulations that I would like to see implemented and others that should be rescinded - far too many to even list without a dedicated thread just about gun control. There's a lot of focus put on the tool and not a lot on the person holding it. Progressively gimping the hammer doesn't fix the problem of guys running around bludgeoning people, you're only hurting the ones who don't and just need to hammer some nails in.

In regards to the border, some degree of physical barriers in areas that border patrol can't monitor effectively makes perfect sense - illegal immigration shouldn't be the default mode of entering the country for the "downtrodden". On the flip side, I think that getting citizenship the legal way should be fairly simple and straightforward, and right now it's not - it can take years to get it done, in no small part due to poor communication between the US and its neighbours. Deportation I won't even touch with a long stick - it's always rough regardless of how you do it, but the way I see it, actions have consequences - entering the country illegally is, as the name implies, illegal. I don't see why we should forget that part.

In terms of police reform, I don't think defunding the police is the answer - more proactive policing is. The number of police officers shouldn't decrease, it should increase, but at the same time there's no reason why they should be getting increasingly large amounts of military-grade gear. It's another chestnut with no clear answers in sight.

In terms of universal healthcare, I'm not a fan - I should know, I've lived under two of those systems and I'm yet to decide which one was worse. I see the merit in a limited public option for those who simply can't afford the alternative, but overall I'm leaning towards a free market solution occasionally refunding some treatments as opposed to the opposite - a heavily regulated public option with occasional private elective procedures. I don't think the current setup can be "fixed" or reformed, it needs to be torn down and rebuilt from scratch. A lot of the issues don't start at the hospital's threshold, they start in the insurance companies which operate at ridiculous profit margins without offering competitive service. If I were to reform things, I'd start with regulating them, not healthcare providers.
So, here's my POV on this. There's actually a lot to glean here as well as plenty of points I can find common ground with (or at least understand the logic behind), so I'm just going to comment and state my point rather than systematically tearing it down.
Drugs: Yeah, not wrong. Drug use is going to happen regardless, because of whichever elements from the list of [rebellious urges, idiocy, peer pressure] happen to be available at the moment. Basically all attempts at preventing it, including both the War on Drugs and its remnants in things like the DARE/LEAD program, have failed miserably- so the only real solution is to make sure that the drugs that inevitably get used are as close to harmless as possible.
Guns: Fair. Personal defense is sometimes necessary, and pretty much the only situation in which nobody would need a gun for self-defense is one in which we've already hit optimal or even utopian 'murica, which is nigh impossible due to various flaws inherent with humanity. Preventing general use of weaponry is IMO essentially a band-aid, in that it's a lot easier to pass and handle than it would be to systematically set up some sort of good-faith or mental-soundness requirement.
Walls: Also fair. Illegal immigration shouldn't happen nearly as much as it does- but legal immigration also shouldn't require nearly as much hoop-jumping. The best-case scenario would be one where illegal immigration is nigh nonexistent... because legal immigration is so quick and easy that there's no reason. It's similar to the "allow safe and controlled drugs instead of unsafe and unknown ones" thing mentioned above, but less tied to irrepressible vice and more to human rights.
Cops: Also also fair. (Huh, turns out there's a lot we agree upon. Considering neither of us are all that extreme at the end of the day, I guess this is some kind of corollary to the horseshoe effect.) Defunding the police would be yet another band-aid, as a way of preventing mass law-enforcement bullshittery while the reforming is going on. However, there's probably better band-aids.
Lives: Hm. I don't really know what to say. On one hand, American healthcare is a crumbling disaster, and really does warrant being rebuilt from the ground up. On the other hand, if it is plausible to accomplish (which it likely is, considering the other countries that have pulled it off), universal healthcare ain't that bad. This is the one point where we can agree to disagree- it's my firm opinion that survival shouldn't come with microtransactions.
 
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If I had to spend four years watching in abject horror as a narcissistic clown-manchild tore down everything my former boss and campaign partner spent his term doing, I'd probably look like an "After" photo as well.
In all fairness, when you reach a certain age, you start deteriorating faster. Not only that, presidents always look harrowed after a campaign, worse yet after a full term - I swear, it ages a person by 10-20 years. Apparently it's a well-known effect of being in positions of power and extreme responsibility - heavy weighs the crown.

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So... The presidential town hall. That sure was something.
Asked about his call with Chinese leader Xi Jinping, President Biden said that the US "must speak up on human rights" and that there will "be repercussions for China" over human rights abuses.

"There will be repercussions for China and [Xi Jinping] knows that," Biden said

"What I'm doing is, making clear that, we, in fact, are going to continue to reassert our role as spokespersons for human rights at the UN and other agencies that have an impact on their attitude," Biden told CNN's Anderson Cooper during tonight's town hall.

Biden went on to describe what he told the Chinese leader with regards to human rights and the United States' stance.

"I point out to him no American president can be sustained as a president, if he doesn't reflect the values of the United States. And so the idea is, that I am not going to speak out against what he's doing in Hong Kong, what he's doing with the Uyghurs in the western mountains of China and Taiwan trying to end the one China policy by making it forceful...he gets, it culturally there are different norms that each country and that leaders are expected to follow," Biden said.

"China is trying very hard to become the world leader. And to get that moniker and be able to do that they have to gain the confidence of other countries. And as long as they are engaged in activity that is contrary to basic human rights, it's going to be hard for them to do that," Biden explained

Biden ended his answer by noting that the issue and China policy in general is "much more complicated than that, I shouldn't try to talk China policy in 10 minutes on television."


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Now, I must admit, I have no idea what his actual position is based on that snippet. Here's what I gathered:
  • There will be repercussions and Xi knows this
  • These repercussions will come about by means of the US asserting a dominant position in the UN etc.
  • China's activity in Hong Kong, Taiwan and in regards to Uyghur muslims is contrary to basic human rights
  • This is okay because different countries have different cultural norms and thus... different... human rights...?
  • This is a bad thing... so we're not going to talk about it...?
  • Joe Biden shouldn't be talking about China in short TV segments.
I partially agree. Joe Biden shouldn't be talking about his policy in regards to China, he should have someone write it down somewhere on his behalf, because that word salad just dismissed mass genocide and concentration camps with a hand wave. A quick primer, the Chinese government thought it prudent to limit births among Uyghur muslims by deploying forced sterilisation and abortion, in addition to routinely rounding them up in "re-education camps". We're not going to talk about that though because, as the biggest superpower on the planet, we must instead assert our position in the UN and... provide a good example... by not committing ethnic cleansing? Am I getting that right? :lol:
 

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In all fairness, when you reach a certain age, you start deteriorating faster. Not only that, presidents always look harrowed after a campaign, worse yet after a full term - I swear, it ages a person by 10-20 years. Apparently it's a well-known effect of being in positions of power and extreme responsibility - heavy weighs the crown.

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Weirdly enough, Trump left the position looking basically the same as when he entered it- likely due to the fact that he pretty much doesn't even know the meaning of responsibility in the first place and refuses to hold any.
So... The presidential town hall. That sure was something.
Now, I must admit, I have no idea what his actual position is based on that snippet. Here's what I gathered:
  • There will be repercussions and Xi knows this
  • These repercussions will come about by means of the US asserting a dominant position in the UN etc.
  • China's activity in Hong Kong, Taiwan and in regards to Uyghur muslims is contrary to basic human rights
  • This is okay because different countries have different cultural norms and thus... different... human rights...?
  • This is a bad thing... so we're not going to talk about it...?
  • Joe Biden shouldn't be talking about China in short TV segments.
I partially agree. Joe Biden shouldn't be talking about his policy in regards to China, he should have someone write it down somewhere on his behalf, because that word salad just dismissed mass genocide and concentration camps with a hand wave. A quick primer, the Chinese government thought it prudent to limit births among Uyghur muslims by deploying forced sterilisation and abortion, in addition to routinely rounding them up in "re-education camps". We're not going to talk about that though because, as the biggest superpower on the planet, we must instead assert our position in the UN and... provide a good example... by not committing ethnic cleansing? Am I getting that right? :lol:
I... hmm. I agree that he really shouldn't have said it like this, because I'm having trouble figuring out what he means either.
However, I do have a hypothesis: Biden is, as any sane human would be, sick of China's despicable bullshit, and plans to provide consequences for it. However, said consequences are less "alrighty, it's war o'clock" and more "sorry, we don't deal with you anymore for what you've done", which would basically put a dent in China's overall economy. Yes, I really am suggesting that his plan is to basically cancel China. I think it's pretty stupid, but as long as his idea is to actually give China serious consequences for all the horrible shit they've done, I'm all for it.
 
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Weirdly enough, Trump left the position looking basically the same as when he entered it- likely due to the fact that he pretty much doesn't even know the meaning of responsibility in the first place and refuses to hold any.

I... hmm. I agree that he really shouldn't have said it like this, because I'm having trouble figuring out what he means either.
However, I do have a hypothesis: Biden is, as any sane human would be, sick of China's despicable bullshit, and plans to provide consequences for it. However, said consequences are less "alrighty, it's war o'clock" and more "sorry, we don't deal with you anymore for what you've done", which would basically put a dent in China's overall economy. Yes, I really am suggesting that his plan is to basically cancel China. I think it's pretty stupid, but as long as his idea is to actually give China serious consequences for all the horrible shit they've done, I'm all for it.
At this stage the United Nations is a bit of a joke. The purpose of the organisation is to maintain peace and enforce its own charter among the member states. China, along with any other state in violation of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, should either have their membership and/or its benefits suspended/revoked - we're putting foxes in charge of the hen house. I mean, for God's sake, China's on the Human Rights Council. The United States should probably *say* something about that, that's not a "forceful change". I see what you mean, but I don't like the way he phrased this.
 

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It's disappointing, but it's not because he doesn't want to. He doesn't think he can with an executive order, and he might be right. I'd still at least try, but again, he probably can't do it via executive order. He also still plans on using an executive order to forgive some debt.

Why is it disappointing. Why is debt through ones own choices being 'forgiven' am I allowed to rack up $15,000 in gambling debts and have it forgiven. No that would be my own stupid decisions and I wouldn't expect anyone else to pay for it. Imagine voluntarily attending elite institutions and expecting it to be free, or even worse, expecting people who chose to work hard to pay off your debt. Liberal privilege at its finest.
 

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At this stage the United Nations is a bit of a joke. The purpose of the organisation is to maintain peace and enforce its own charter among the member states. China, along with any other state in violation of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, should either have their membership and/or its benefits suspended/revoked - we're putting foxes in charge of the hen house. I mean, for God's sake, China's on the Human Rights Council. The United States should probably *say* something about that, that's not a "forceful change". I see what you mean, but I don't like the way he phrased this.
Believe me, I don't like how he phrased it either.
Problem is, no matter how objectively and bipartisan-visibly awful China is, if even the UN can't tell them to cut the crap then any given individual nation (like the US) can't exactly stop them without risking a flat out war.
Pity, but the best we can do is to say something about that- which it does at least seem like Biden plans to do (or at least SOMETHING to draw attention to how fucked up China's shit is and that they need to stop).
Why is it disappointing. Why is debt through ones own choices being 'forgiven' am I allowed to rack up $15,000 in gambling debts and have it forgiven. No that would be my own stupid decisions and I wouldn't expect anyone else to pay for it. Imagine voluntarily attending elite institutions and expecting it to be free, or even worse, expecting people who chose to work hard to pay off your debt. Liberal privilege at its finest.
Going to college isn't an "elite institution". If you can seriously argue that having a full college education without going into debt for life is an elite institution, that's a problem. This kind of snobby, apathetic garbage take reminds me of something I once read:
"Repeat after me.
Must not be operated for profit:
1) Healthcare.
2) Prisons.
3) Education.
Operation for profit and thus abuse of these corresponds one-to-one with violating "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" in that order."
Student loans aren't gambling debts, they're scummy, exploitative fees attached to the basic human right that is education for the sole purpose of squeezing the life and money out of innocent students.
The fact that having to take out a huge loan just to get a good education is even a thing that happens to people is already an atrocity.
 
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Why is it disappointing. Why is debt through ones own choices being 'forgiven' am I allowed to rack up $15,000 in gambling debts and have it forgiven. No that would be my own stupid decisions and I wouldn't expect anyone else to pay for it. Imagine voluntarily attending elite institutions and expecting it to be free, or even worse, expecting people who chose to work hard to pay off your debt. Liberal privilege at its finest.
Forgiving student loan debt is moral and will stimulate the economy. There's no reason not to do it.
 

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Why is it disappointing. Why is debt through ones own choices being 'forgiven' am I allowed to rack up $15,000 in gambling debts and have it forgiven. No that would be my own stupid decisions and I wouldn't expect anyone else to pay for it. Imagine voluntarily attending elite institutions and expecting it to be free, or even worse, expecting people who chose to work hard to pay off your debt. Liberal privilege at its finest.
yah just Image you had a Horrible accident by no fault of your own and have no insurance . the hospital bills you a half a million dollars ... or worse refused to preform the surgery because they claim your stable.. and you need to pay 25% up front before they see you...
oh. wait your from England you don't have that problem .... please keep taking about Socialist Liberal privilege
 

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Forgiving student loan debt is moral and will stimulate the economy. There's no reason not to do it.

Not getting yourself into debt and expecting to be bailed out is the moral thing to do. Willingly getting yourself into debt and expecting to not pay anything back is nothing but pure privilege.


yah just Image you had a Horrible accident by no fault of your own and have no insurance . the hospital bills you a half a million dollars ... or worse refused to preform the surgery because they claim your stable.. and you need to pay 25% up front before they see you...
oh. wait your from England you don't have that problem .... please keep taking about Socialist Liberal privilege

Wtf are you even blathering on about. What's an accident got to do with willfully getting yourself into debt via universities or colleges. There's loads of people in debt in England through university. The NHS is nationalised not socialist/liberal. It's free AT THE POINT OF USE. Don't speak on things you know nothing about.
 
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Not getting yourself into debt and expecting to be bailed out is the moral thing to do. Willingly getting yourself into debt and expecting to not pay anything back is nothing but pure privilege.
Erm, what?
Plenty of people don't have a fucking choice.
It's either go into student loan debt or don't get a full education.
Everyone deserves a full education. This is not an opinion. Education is a basic fucking human right, and locking it behind a paywall is an atrocity.
 

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Erm, what?
Plenty of people don't have a fucking choice.
It's either go into student loan debt or don't get a full education.
Everyone deserves a full education. This is not an opinion. Education is a basic fucking human right, and locking it behind a paywall is an atrocity.

Everybody deserves an education. You get one too the age of 18. If you want further education you pay for it. I don't pay for it, you pay for it.
 
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