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https://mobile.twitter.com/FordJohnathan5/status/1361793995605704707
Rudy Giuliani is no longer working for Donald Trump as his personal attorney. According to Jason Miller he was fired by Trump.
... so.. Rudy and Trump broke up??
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We're not talking about Trump here - Trump is not in office. This entire exchange started because I made a claim that the policies on the left side of the aisle are increasingly slipping and that, had he ran today on the same program, someone like Barack Obama wouldn't be considered a left-wing starlet, but rather a moderate Republican, and I see those kinds of opinion pieces pop up in major publications nowadays. I also said that progressives treat their ideologues as idols who can do no wrong and require 24/7 worship so as to prevent them from being "smeared" online, and pointed out that the increased reliance on government guidance or support in all walks of life looks like a religion, *to me*. That caused quite a stir and I was asked to clarify which policies exactly I meant, so I provided some more context on what has changed on the left in the last 10-20 years - quite a lot, actually. I don't necessarily expect that to be productive, but I always aim to please - I wouldn't offer rides on my back otherwise.
First of all, people change stances on things. That... happens. It's not like Biden made a promise to always have X opinion on X part of gun control, for example. The difference between right-wing hypocrisy and left-wing "hypocrisy" is that we acknowledge the change, rather than gaslight or retcon ourselves into having always had that opinion because it fits that of the current major Republican.
Second of all, 24/7 worship? Tell that to the guy that held so many rallies they bordered on nothing but encouragement sessions.
I'm quite happy to support my positions as long as the discussion is civil and to-the-point. My point, in case the hyperbole was too difficult to digest, is that the increased reliance of government and obsessing over personality instead of substance is detrimental to political discourse. Jumping up in arms at the first sign of criticism is cult-like behaviour to me, or government worship. That might be a rough term to some, but that doesn't affect any of the key takeaways.
You do realize that the reason we reacted the way we did is because you jumped straight to calling our political affiliation a fanatical religion, right? Had you kept the hyperbole away and made statements that could be seen as vaguely sane, you wouldn't have provoked such a reaction and kept yourself spiraling into "they're a cult lol" by way of your own unnecessarily extreme claims.
 

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First of all, people change stances on things. That... happens. It's not like Biden made a promise to always have X opinion on X part of gun control, for example. The difference between right-wing hypocrisy and left-wing "hypocrisy" is that we acknowledge the change, rather than gaslight or retcon ourselves into having always had that opinion because it fits that of the current major Republican.
Second of all, 24/7 worship? Tell that to the guy that held so many rallies they bordered on nothing but encouragement sessions.

You do realize that the reason we reacted the way we did is because you jumped straight to calling our political affiliation a fanatical religion, right? Had you kept the hyperbole away and made statements that could be seen as vaguely sane, you wouldn't have provoked such a reaction and kept yourself spiraling into "they're a cult lol" by way of your own unnecessarily extreme claims.
Perhaps it could've been avoided if I used different language, but my way was more entertaining - it certainly got everyone mobilised. Every forum needs a bad guy, and I revel in it, so it's a match made in heaven to me. Trump certainly had a cult of personality surrounding him, but he didn't invent it - it's been an on-going trend for a long, long time. I sincerely hope "idogurations" don't become a tradition or I just might chew my arm off. This is equally a problem on the side of supporters as it is on the side of the media - here's Joe Biden with his dog, here's Joe Biden's wife turning the WH lawn into a weird display of menopause, here's Joe Biden playing Mario Kart. Do you like him yet? Please like him, we need you to like him. Maybe I got used to the media *hating* the president and picking apart every single thing he said both yesterday and 20 years ago. I might miss it, actually. Feet, fire, you know the drill. I don't like it when politicians are propped up as false idols.
... Hey this is GBATEMP .. not the Senate...lolol Trump does not get a free pass because he got kicked out... he still claims to control the Republican Party.
The reason why I said that is not because I'm shielding for Trump, but rather because I was referring to the specific time-frame when the change of attitudes took place. With that said, I'm also confident that Trump played a role in shifting those attitudes since he was so universally hated on the left - "Trump is evil, therefore everything Trump stands for must also be evil and must be dismantled" would be the mode of thinking here.
 
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Perhaps it could've been avoided if I used different language, but my way was more entertaining - it certainly got everyone mobilised. Every forum needs a bad guy, and I revel in it, so it's a match made in heaven to me. Trump certainly had a cult of personality surrounding him, but he didn't invent it - it's been an on-going trend for a long, long time. I sincerely hope "idogurations" don't become a tradition or I just might chew my arm off. This is equally a problem on the side of supporters as it is on the side of the media - here's Joe Biden with his dog, Here's Joe Biden's wife turning the WH lawn into a weird display of menopause, here's Joe Biden playing Mario Kart. Do you like him yet? Please like him, we need you to like him. Maybe I got used to the media *hating* the president and picking apart every single thing he said both yesterday and 20 years ago. I might miss it, actually. Feet, fire, you know the drill. I don't like it when politicians are propped up as false idols.
The reason why I said that is not because I'm shielding for Trump, but rather because I was referring to the specific time-frame when the change of attitudes took place. With that said, I'm also confident that Trump played a role in shifting those attitudes since he was so universally hated on the left - "Trump is evil, therefore everything Trump stands for must also be evil and must be dismantled" would be the mode of thinking here.
Biden doing these little things isn't being propped up as a false idol, it's him being a person that doesn't live and breathe politics 24/7.
Important note, though: he still spends a lot more time with said politics and with actually doing his job than with these little bits, unlike Trump, who IIRC spent more time golfing than he did doing actual President stuff.
 
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Biden doing these little things isn't being propped up as a false idol, it's him being a person that doesn't live and breathe politics 24/7.
Important note, though: he still spends a lot more time with said politics and with actually doing his job than with these little bits, unlike Trump, who IIRC spent more time golfing than he did doing actual President stuff.
Joe Biden is not your friend. Joe Biden is a politician just like any other, a career politician at that. He's not doing "these things" because "he's a person" - he's doing them because the media will be extatic to tell you all about them and run his PR for him. You might consider that cynical, but I don't like to humanise politicians and I don't care or want to hear about what they do in their personal lives. They're not literal reptilian to me, in Alex Jonesian parlance, but they certainly are scaly. All I expect from them and all I want to hear about is what they're working on, or not working on when they should've - they're servants, not celebrities or "idols". The curtsey displays do not fill me with glee, they make me want to barf. Each to their own though, I guess.
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Looks better with the quotation marks around it, but I never claimed that Trump wasn't a villain - he was. He was my favourite villain in a while, too.
 
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We're not talking about Trump here - Trump is not in office. This entire exchange started because I made a claim that the policies on the left side of the aisle are increasingly slipping and that, had he ran today on the same program, someone like Barack Obama wouldn't be considered a left-wing starlet, but rather a moderate Republican, and I see those kinds of opinion pieces pop up in major publications nowadays. I also said that progressives treat their ideologues as idols who can do no wrong and require 24/7 worship so as to prevent them from being "smeared" online, and pointed out that the increased reliance on government guidance or support in all walks of life looks like a religion, *to me*. That caused quite a stir and I was asked to clarify which policies exactly I meant, so I provided some more context on what has changed on the left in the last 10-20 years - quite a lot, actually. I don't necessarily expect that to be productive, but I always aim to please - I wouldn't offer rides on my back otherwise.

The America doesn't have a left, that isn't news. But you mentioned Trump....

He was my favourite villain in a while, too.

Hybristophilia.
 
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I wouldn't go that far. :lol: He had his flaws, but he did forward some of my goals during his term as President, and he did it at a maximum level of funny to me, which are two big positives as far as I'm concerned. I already clarified what I meant - the precise time frame. To rephrase, the Democrats have supported strict immigration policies until Trump did - it's not that they considered his policies too harsh, rather they completely flipped their own upside-down. Again, some of it can be explained by progressivism doing what it does, but not all of it, not when the policy flips a full 180 degrees rather than evolving slowly over time. I have a distinct feeling that the visceral hatered of Trump had a direct effect on the policy pursued by his opposition. Just a feeling, but I'd love to see a paper made about It, I think it'd be an interesting read.
 
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I wouldn't go that far. :lol: He had his flaws, but he did forward some of my goals during his term as President, and he did it at a maximum level of funny to me, which are two big positives as far as I'm concerned. I already clarified what I meant - the precise time frame. To rephrase, the Democrats have supported strict immigration policies until Trump did - it's not that they considered his policies too harsh, rather they completely flipped their own upside-down. Again, some of it can be explained by progressivism doing what it does, but not all of it, not when the policy flips a full 180 degrees rather than evolving slowly over time. I have a distinct feeling that the visceral hatered of Trump had a direct effect on the policy pursued by his opposition. Just a feeling, but I'd love to see a paper made about It, I think it'd be an interesting read.
Thing is, there's a difference between hypocrisy and not wanting to be attached to something bad.
When Trump ran his entire campaign on racism and xenophobia, and then started pushing strict immigration policies that were blatantly done out of racism and xenophobia, of course Democrats would oppose it. And if they opposed it while also pushing it for significantly better reasons, vast mobs of shitheads would pile on them for alleged hypocrisy.
Damned if we do, damned if we don't.
Either you complain about us doing the same things we call you out for doing for worse reasons, or you complain about us calling you out for something we USED to do.
 

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I wouldn't go that far. :lol: He had his flaws, but he did forward some of my goals during his term as President, and he did it at a maximum level of funny to me, which are two big positives as far as I'm concerned. I already clarified what I meant - the precise time frame. To rephrase, the Democrats have supported strict immigration policies until Trump did - it's not that they considered his policies too harsh, rather they completely flipped their own upside-down. Again, some of it can be explained by progressivism doing what it does, but not all of it, not when the policy flips a full 180 degrees rather than evolving slowly over time. I have a distinct feeling that the visceral hatered of Trump had a direct effect on the policy pursued by his opposition. Just a feeling, but I'd love to see a paper made about It, I think it'd be an interesting read.
Nothing says "maximum funny" like 476,000 COVID-19 deaths; forcibly separating young children from their parents at the border with no real plan to reunite them; and the shredding of our democratic norms through, among other things, the solicitation of foreign interference in the 2020 election and claims of voter fraud.
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Nothing says "maximum funny" like 476,000 COVID-19 deaths; forcibly separating young children from their parents at the border with no real plan to reunite them; and the shredding of our democratic norms through, among other things, the solicitation of foreign interference in the 2020 election and claims of voter fraud.
Man I'm literally dying of laughter it's so damn funny, it's almost as funny as the war in the middle east
 

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Nothing says "maximum funny" like 476,000 COVID-19 deaths; forcibly separating young children from their parents at the border with no real plan to reunite them; and the shredding of our democratic norms through, among other things, the solicitation of foreign interference in the 2020 election and claims of voter fraud.

Yeah, I really don't understand how someone as abhorrent as Trump can be fetishised.
 

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https://mobile.twitter.com/FordJohnathan5/status/1361793995605704707
Rudy Giuliani is no longer working for Donald Trump as his personal attorney. According to Jason Miller he was fired by Trump.
... so.. Rudy and Trump broke up??
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I seem to have missed this one, and it is rather interesting. I'm not surprised Trump is cutting him off given Rudy's legal predicament right now - he may have gilded the lily a little too much.
(...) Van Der Veen's performance is worth every penny - he's been phenomenal. I have a feeling I know who's going to be Trump's favourite lawyer going forward
I wonder if my prediction is going to turn out correct.
 

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I seem to have missed this one, and it is rather interesting. I'm not surprised Trump is cutting him off given Rudy's legal predicament right now - he may have gilded the lily a little too much.
I wonder if my prediction is going to turn out correct.
Considering Trump's track record of his old Apprentice catchphrase being spammed more than an evangelical Christian homophobe spams the DARVO argument, I have a feeling that "Trump's current favorite lawyer" isn't exactly a very difficult contest.
Also, I am familiar with the idiom, but in the context of Trump (who, as previously discussed, is a beacon of purified narcissism), "gilding the lily" sounds like some kind of rich man's masturbation euphemism. Especially since he's absolutely the kind of man to waste countless dollars to do so in the most extravagant way possible.

...Holy shit, I really said that WITHOUT remembering ol' Rudolph the Red-Faced Dumbass's PRIOR controversy. You know, the one where he got caught gilding his lily to some woman on recording because of a Borat prank?
 
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Considering Trump's track record of his old Apprentice catchphrase being spammed more than an evangelical Christian homophobe spams the DARVO argument, I have a feeling that "Trump's current favorite lawyer" isn't exactly a very difficult contest.
Also, I am familiar with the idiom, but in the context of Trump (who, as previously discussed, is a beacon of purified narcissism), "gilding the lily" sounds like some kind of rich man's masturbation euphemism. Especially since he's absolutely the kind of man to waste countless dollars to do so in the most extravagant way possible.
I believe in that case the phrase would be "polishing a mushroom", if certain reports are to be believed.
 
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I believe in that case the phrase would be "polishing a mushroom", if certain reports are to be believed.
Ah yes, the Daniels Pamphlet.
Which also contained a devastating blow to his, erm, fortitude. ("The worst 90 seconds of [her] life". Note the number.)
That whole deal was certainly America's funniest sex scandal, I must say.
(And I honestly don't know how I didn't find out about that until recently. You'd think a verbal obliteration of the President like that would gain more traction.)
Betcha it's a Mini Mushroom!
 
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That is the one and only thing I enjoy about Biden... his quotes are more laughable than Bush junior. I thought that clown was bad, but Biden put him to shame.


I really don't think he meant to say that. It was just the Alzheimer's.
 
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I really don't think he meant to say that. It was just the Alzheimer's.
I legitimately can't tell what point you're making here, but... people flub things all the time. Heck, Trump's probably done it more than Biden when it comes to the past few years. Biden's missteps are just verbal rather than text.
 
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