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Joe Biden is now officially the 46th President of the United States of America

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I can't even fathom how fucking brainwashed you are right now- you don't even understand what hearsay means!
Hearsay is an out-of-court statement made by someone other than a direct witness- like if some random guy claimed someone else told him that Trump wanted to stop the riots, but without a shred of direct evidence.
As the evidence the prosecution provided was both made in court and either by direct witnesses or literally direct recordings of conversations Trump himself had with major officials, it is in no way shape or form hearsay.
A third-party account on the contents of a partially overheard phone call, or one they were told about second-hand, is hearsay. There is a specific legal standard here.
Hearsay evidence, in a legal forum, is testimony from a witness under oath who is reciting an out-of-court statement, content of which is being offered to prove the truth of the matter asserted.

In most courts, hearsay evidence is inadmissible (the "Hearsay Evidence Rule") unless an exception to the Hearsay Rule applies.

For example, to prove that Tom was in town, the attorney asks a witness, "What did Susan tell you about Tom being in town?" Since the witness's answer will rely on an out-of-court statement that Susan made, if Susan is unavailable for cross-examination, the answer is hearsay.
Only the two parties involved in the phone call and knowing the entirety of its contents can testify to what was said. In order to verify the statement they would have to cross-examine McCarthy, Trump or both. They did not, therefore the contents of the call would be inadmissible in a *real* court proceeding and summarily tossed in the trash.
 
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A third-party account on the contents of a partially overheard phone call, or one they were told about second-hand, is hearsay. There is a specific legal standard here.
Only the two parties involved on the phone call and knowing the entirety of its contents can testify to what was said. In order to verify the statement they would have to cross-examine McCarthy, Trump or both. They did not, therefore the contents of the call would be inadmissible in a *real* court proceeding and summarily tossed in the trash.
In a real court proceeding, neither side would be allowed to meet with the jury in private and Trump's lawyer for today would probably be chucked into another court on around five to ten different perjury charges for all the blatant lies he spewed.
And even if that one bit is hearsay... what about the rest? There's mountains of evidence proving that the Capitol riot was a direct result of Trump having spewed years of inflammatory rhetoric, months of lies about the election results and a solid month or two of encouraging his supporters to "stop the steal" and "fight like hell [to change the election results]".
By the time Trump himself refuses to testify or comment or just provide information on a single shred of this, it should be pretty obvious that the reason thereof is because if he did testify, he'd either be lying under oath (more perjury) or incriminating himself.
The only reason Trump, who loves talking about himself to no end oh so much, would have to decline to testify or comment... would be that he did what they're accusing him of. Otherwise, why wouldn't he testify? A guy practically obsessed with himself would surely LOVE to show his side of the story in order to 'own the libs', right?
All the Republican Senators that voted to acquit... are basically victims of an abusive relationship.
They don't want to call him out or help to make him get what he deserves, because if they do that then he'll lash out at them and make things worse for them with the help of his fanatic base of madmen. (That last bit is rather special and basically exclusive to this case, as most other abusers aren't the fucking President abusing his own Congress while wielding a follower base that checks every single box on the definition of a cult of personality.)
So they deny everything, inadvertently helping fool decent chunks of the masses into doing the mental gymnastics necessary to earnestly believe he's innocent and could do no wrong.
They deny everything, and the result is that everyone in the situation suffers except the abuser.
They acquit, and the result is that everyone in the nation suffers except Trump.
 

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In a real court proceeding, neither side would be allowed to meet with the jury in private and Trump's lawyer for today would probably be chucked into another court on around five to ten different perjury charges for all the blatant lies he spewed.
And even if that one bit is hearsay... what about the rest? There's mountains of evidence proving that the Capitol riot was a direct result of Trump having spewed years of inflammatory rhetoric, months of lies about the election results and a solid month or two of encouraging his supporters to "stop the steal" and "fight like hell [to change the election results]".
By the time Trump himself refuses to testify or comment or just provide information on a single shred of this, it should be pretty obvious that the reason thereof is because if he did testify, he'd either be lying under oath (more perjury) or incriminating himself.
The only reason Trump, who loves talking about himself to no end oh so much, would have to decline to testify or comment... would be that he did what they're accusing him of. Otherwise, why wouldn't he testify? A guy practically obsessed with himself would surely LOVE to show his side of the story in order to 'own the libs', right?
All the Republican Senators that voted to acquit... are basically victims of an abusive relationship.
They don't want to call him out or help to make him get what he deserves, because if they do that then he'll lash out at them and make things worse for them with the help of his fanatic base of madmen. (That last bit is rather special and basically exclusive to this case, as most other abusers aren't the fucking President abusing his own Congress while wielding a follower base that checks every single box on the definition of a cult of personality.)
So they deny everything, inadvertently helping fool decent chunks of the masses into doing the mental gymnastics necessary to earnestly believe he's innocent and could do no wrong.
They deny everything, and the result is that everyone in the situation suffers except the abuser.
They acquit, and the result is that everyone in the nation suffers except Trump.
Thank goodness it wasn't a real criminal proceeding then or both parties would be in trouble.

It's over, and it's okay.
 
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Thank goodness it wasn't a real criminal proceeding then or both parties would be in trouble.

It's over, and it's okay.
First off, that's more shameless whataboutism- what others did or did not do does not impact whether or not Trump deserves to rot in jail for having incited a violent insurrection. (Facts, morals and basic common sense on that one reach a verdict of "why the hell do we even need to say 'yes', it should be pretty obvious by default" on that one.)
Second off, it is neither of those things.
Said criminal proceedings may still happen, as there are numerous other charges Trump could be convicted on elsewhere that are not the single charge he was acquitted of today.
And it is absolutely not okay for him to walk free with zero consequences.
Under no circumstances should anyone be eligible for a position of power after doing what he did.
Under no circumstances should anyone even have anything less than a life sentence after doing what he did. (In fact, SEVERAL life sentences- that way he can't cheat it by getting out after whatever the parole deadline is by bribing everyone involved for instant parole.)
Under no circumstances should anyone that voted to acquit someone that did what he did be allowed to stay in their position.
This is less than zero percent okay.
 

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First off, that's more shameless whataboutism- what others did or did not do does not impact whether or not Trump deserves to rot in jail for having incited a violent insurrection. (Facts, morals and basic common sense on that one reach a verdict of "why the hell do we even need to say 'yes', it should be pretty obvious by default" on that one.)
Second off, it is neither of those things.
Said criminal proceedings may still happen, as there are numerous other charges Trump could be convicted on elsewhere that are not the single charge he was acquitted of today.
And it is absolutely not okay for him to walk free with zero consequences.
Under no circumstances should anyone be eligible for a position of power after doing what he did.
Under no circumstances should anyone even have anything less than a life sentence after doing what he did. (In fact, SEVERAL life sentences- that way he can't cheat it by getting out after whatever the parole deadline is by bribing everyone involved for instant parole.)
Under no circumstances should anyone that voted to acquit someone that did what he did be allowed to stay in their position.
This is less than zero percent okay.
The worst thing about it all is that by the time they finish crying on the podium, the statute of limitations is going to run out. :lol:

I'll sleep easy. You should too. Biden is the president, you can go and rejoice.
 
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Thank goodness it wasn't a real criminal proceeding then or both parties would be in trouble.

It's over, and it's okay.
A real criminal proceeding needs to come next. We cannot set the precedent that attempted insurrection carries no consequences, otherwise we might as well rid ourselves of all copies of the constitution now and accept our status as a banana republic.
 

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A real criminal proceeding needs to come next. We cannot set the precedent that attempted insurrection carries no consequences, otherwise we might as well rid ourselves of all copies of the constitution now and accept our status as a banana republic.
I will be here next time to commentate on that also.
 
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The worst thing about it all is that by the time they finish crying on the podium, the statute of limitations is going to run out. :lol:

I'll sleep easy. You should too. Biden is the president, you can go and rejoice.
Believe me, I rejoiced when Biden won, rejoiced at every loss Trump's shambling mound of idiots he calls a legal team lost one of their frivolous lawsuits to change the results, practically held a party on Inauguration Day (or as I like to call Biden's one specifically, the Ex-Presidential Ejection)... but I can't sleep easy knowing that Trump is still legally allowed to run again in 2024.
Also, doesn't the statute of limitations apply to individual issues? Just because Trump got acquitted of arguably his largest charge doesn't mean he couldn't get convicted on things like tax evasion (remember all that craziness?) or anything else he's done.
I will be here next time to commentate on that also.
On us becoming a banana republic? Because we both know, with significantly differing emotions thereupon, that the majority of the Republicans will do everything they can to prevent Trump from facing a shred of consequences.
 

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Believe me, I rejoiced when Biden won, rejoiced at every loss Trump's shambling mound of idiots he calls a legal team lost one of their frivolous lawsuits to change the results, practically held a party on Inauguration Day (or as I like to call Biden's one specifically, the Ex-Presidential Ejection)... but I can't sleep easy knowing that Trump is still legally allowed to run again in 2024.
Also, doesn't the statute of limitations apply to individual issues? Just because Trump got acquitted of arguably his largest charge doesn't mean he couldn't get convicted on things like tax evasion (remember all that craziness?) or anything else he's done.
The fact that he was acquitted by the Senate means almost nothing to a private citizen, which is precisely why these 5-day proceedings were entirely masturbatory in nature and a pointless waste of time and money.
 
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The fact that he was acquitted by the Senate means almost nothing to a private citizen, which is precisely why these 5-day proceedings were entirely masturbatory in nature and a pointless waste of time and money.
It'll be a much bigger waste of time and money if Trump runs again in 2024, loses again, and incites another riot. Probably end up with more lives lost too. That's precisely what conviction in the Senate is meant to prevent.
 

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The fact that he was acquitted by the Senate means almost nothing to a private citizen, which is precisely why these 5-day proceedings were entirely masturbatory in nature and a pointless waste of time and money.
It would've meant a lot more if he HADN'T been acquitted, though.
It'd mean that he would face actual legal consequences for his actions for quite possibly the first time in his life.
It'd mean he wouldn't be able to run again.
Millions of Trumpers would practically shit themselves, so there's roughly a 40-45% chance (let's go with 43%, to be thematic) that any given US citizen would have to have a change of pants and (possibly, but unlikely) a legitimate reexamining of their affiliation.
 

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but Van Der Veen's performance is worth every penny - he's been phenomenal. I have a feeling I know who's going to be Trump's favourite lawyer going forward, the man is taking scalps with a stone poker face

Trump has to run out of lawyers willing to peddle his lies sometime.

bullshit. You have to take a oath that you would be impartial. That is breaking that oath.

What you going to do? Impeach them?

Thank goodness it wasn't a real criminal proceeding then or both parties would be in trouble.

It's over, and it's okay.

I do hope there are criminal and civil lawsuits against Trump.

If he doesn't face justice then I think someone will just shoot him.
 
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It would've meant a lot more if he HADN'T been acquitted, though.
It'd mean that he would face actual legal consequences for his actions for quite possibly the first time in his life.
It'd mean he wouldn't be able to run again.
Millions of Trumpers would practically shit themselves, so there's roughly a 40-45% chance (let's go with 43%, to be thematic) that any given US citizen would have to have a change of pants and (possibly, but unlikely) a legitimate reexamining of their affiliation.
To be fair, Trump never runs - he has a golf cart. Jokes aside, given his age, I don't know if he would've been too keen on running in 2024. He's already pretty old, even if America voted in a living fossil to replace him. I'd like to see a younger, more spry presidential candidate next time, I'm sick and tired of increasingly older and older frontrunners.
 

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Looks like the show is over and unraveled exactly as predicted. Thank you for an evening of entertainment and see you all next time. Hopefully Congress can now focus on the long-awaited COVID relief instead of fighting windmills.
Trump is the only one who has ever fought windmills.
 

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mind you of trumps (Possiable) criminal rap sheet crunching the numbers of YEARS if convicted of everything he'll rot in prison almost any middle age person would probably die in prison for how many charges he commited interestingly enough (very small chance though) he could be still criminally prosecuted for the exact same charges he got aquitted for in the impeachment
 
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