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Joe Biden is now officially the 46th President of the United States of America

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So... because they vote to impeach Trump, they aren't true Republicans?
That is the textbook definition of the no-true-scotsman fallacy.
That is further proof that you don't side with any political ideologies, any parties, anything... but with one man.
One man named Donald Trump, who incited a violent insurrection against our country and would gladly unplug the life support of everyone on the planet in order to charge his fucking phone.
The fact that ANYONE would vote to acquit Trump is the epitome of what is fundamentally wrong with our country- that almost nobody understands that actions come with consequences, and that Trump's actions warrant impeachment and conviction as the BARE MINIMUM.
You're putting words in my mouth. They're RINO's because they fail to represent their party's ideals, nearly every single one in that chamber doesn't follow the creed. Some simply understand how the game works whereas others don't, or they wish to stand out in the crowd, or they're from odd constituencies and it would be politically expedient for them to side with the Democrats. I have very little respect to nearly everyone in that chamber, regardless of which party they're from, you're grossly underestimating the level of disdain I have towards career politicians.
 
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We're not discussing whether they *should* meet - in a federal court case they shouldn't and are prohibited from doing so. We're discussing whether they could. If you believe for one second that any one person in that chamber is impartial and will vote based on the presented evidence, you're the sucker. I will demonstrate.

Every single Democrat will vote to impeach, along with a small handful of Republicans in name only. The gross majority of Republicans will vote to acquit. I could've told you that *before* the trial started

Any delusion of impartiality you still have in your head is misguided and naive. If you think that meeting with the defense team, if it had occurred in a way that would be improper, changed *one* vote, I'll need you to demonstrate that and provide evidence. Minds were made up 5 days ago. Heck, they were made up a month ago.
So in other words. the facts don't matter, according to you? Hey fits with all the other Republicans drawing or not looking at the evidence. Because you know. That's what people should do. Act like little children when it something as important as convicting a man for FUCKING SENDING A GODAMN RIOT.
 

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So in other words. the facts don't matter, according to you? Hey fits with all the other Republicans drawing or not looking at the evidence. Because you know. That's what people should do. Act like little children when it something as important as convicting a man for FUCKING SENDING A GODAMN RIOT.
Is it prohibited in a non-criminal trial that is not before a *real* judge and jury or is it not? Because the answer to that question is a relevant fact, your personal view is not.
 

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You're putting words in my mouth. They're RINO's because they fail to represent their party's ideals, nearly every single one in that chamber doesn't follow the creed. Some simply understand how the game works whereas others don't, or they wish to stand out in the crowd, or they're from odd constituencies and it would be politically expedient to them to side with the Democrats. I have very little respect to nearly everyone in that chamber, regardless of which party they're from, you're grossly underestimating the level of disdain I have towards career politicians.
Whether they vote to impeach or not has nothing to do with their party's ideals.
YOU do not decide their party's ideals.
They are not RINOs because they do not bow to Trump's every motherfucking whim.
Voting to impeach Trump is not a vote of party allegiance, it is a vote of conscience and of sanity.
Those that vote to acquit are not "true Republicans", they are traitors to everything our democracy stands for.
 

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That depends on your definition of "wrong". I stand by everything I've said so far and can't recall making an incorrect judgement in regards to the election. Also, off-topic - fan mail should be directed to my PM box, I collect it there and strongly encourage sending your thoughts and prayers in.

Wrong means wrong. There aren't many definitions that I know of. Wrong. Meaning factually incorrect.

I don't believe thoughts and prayers would help, so there's no need to waste my time.
 

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Whether they vote to impeach or not has nothing to do with their party's ideals.
YOU do not decide their party's ideals.
They are not RINOs because they do not bow to Trump's every motherfucking whim.
Voting to impeach Trump is not a vote of party allegiance, it is a vote of conscience and of sanity.
Those that vote to acquit are not "true Republicans", they are traitors to everything our democracy stands for.
If it is indeed a vote of conscience and sanity then the whole chamber will vote to acquit since he's obviously innocent. Seeing that this is not a sincere trial, it will be split down the middle as I predict.
 
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If it is indeed a vote of conscience and sanity then the whole chamber will vote to acquit since he's obviously innocent. Since that is not a sincere trial, it will be split down the middle as I predict.
Erm, what?
How the fuck is he in any way, shape or form INNOCENT?!
Have you not seen the pile of evidence, including the call showing that he OUTRIGHT REFUSED to denounce the rioters and stated that they "clearly care more about the election than [the guy calling him asking him to help in any way whatsoever]"?
 

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Erm, what?
How the fuck is he in any way, shape or form INNOCENT?!
Have you not seen the pile of evidence, including the call showing that he OUTRIGHT REFUSED to denounce the rioters and stated that they "clearly care more about the election than [the guy calling him asking him to help in any way whatsoever]"?
Hearsay. This is not evidenced by the parties involved, it's a third-party account. If the prosecution wanted to push that matter, they would've taken depositions from Trump and McCarthy. They did not call them to testify because they knew it was irrelevant to the charge of incitement. In fact, Trump could be clapping from the windows of the White House gleefully and that would not constitute incitement as the siege was *already in progress*. The idea that there's such a thing as "further incitement" is a red herring invented on the spot - in reality, either he incited the crowd and X happened or he didn't. His satisfaction or dissatisfaction with the event is immaterial when the question is whether he caused it or not. As for the phone call itself, it would be thrown out as irrelevant in a real criminal trial for the same reasons, in addition to one crucial detail - it was private and only leaked later by the press, after the fact. Nothing said during the phone call speaks to incitement as nobody in the crowd was aware of it taking place. The prosecution is wearing so many eggs on its face at this stage that if they stand in the sun for too long, they'll turn into an omelette. They failed to support the charge in any shape or form and focused on playing emotional content for dullard instead.
 

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It's over *SENATE HAS VOTES TO ACQUIT TRUMP ON CHARGE OF INCITING RIOT
IMAO
https://twitter.com/QuarantinedCoof/status/1360692820860928002
The only part of what we have control of that matters here is the Senate.
Technically, we DON'T have control of it- it's just that we're tied and in case of ties, we win them for now. (So if the Republicans line up to bash their faces into a wall in unison, and one of the two Independents joins them, we're fucked.)
And for this, we needed a two-thirds vote... and the Senate Reps are so deep into the rabbit hole that not enough would back out of it.
 
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Hearsay. This is not evidenced by the parties involved, it's a third-party account. If the prosecution wanted to push that matter, they would've taken depositions from Trump and McCarthy. They did not call them to testify because they knew it was irrelevant to the charge of incitement. In fact, Trump could be clapping from the windows of the White House gleefully and that would not constitute incitement as the siege was *already in progress*. The idea that there's such a thing as "further incitement" is a red herring invented on the spot - in reality, either he incited the crowd and X happened or he didn't. His satisfaction or dissatisfaction with the event is immaterial when the question is whether he caused it or not. As for the phone call itself, it would be thrown out as irrelevant in a real criminal trial for the same reasons, in addition to one crucial detail - it was private and only leaked later by the press, after the fact. Nothing said during the phone call speaks to incitement as nobody in the crowd was aware of it taking place. The prosecution is wearing so many eggs on its face at this stage that if they stand in the sun for too long, they'll turn into an omlette.
I can't even fathom how fucking brainwashed you are right now- you don't even understand what hearsay means!
Hearsay is an out-of-court statement made by someone other than a direct witness- like if some random guy claimed someone else told him that Trump wanted to stop the riots, but without a shred of direct evidence.
As the evidence the prosecution provided was both made in court and either by direct witnesses or literally direct recordings of conversations Trump himself had with major officials, it is in no way shape or form hearsay.

democrats can't even impeach when they run the whole show
We don't, sideshow indoctrinee.
 

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It's over *SENATE HAS VOTES TO ACQUIT TRUMP ON CHARGE OF INCITING RIOT
IMAO
https://twitter.com/QuarantinedCoof/status/1360692820860928002
  • Richard Burr
  • Bill Cassidy
  • Susan Collins
  • Lisa Murkowski
  • Mitt Romney
  • Ben Sasse
  • Pat Toomey
Considering today's polarization in politics, it's amazing this many Republican senators voted to convict Trump.

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democrats can't even impeach when they run the whole show
The House impeached Trump twice. I suggest you use the words correctly.
 

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Looks like the show is over and unraveled exactly as predicted. Thank you for an evening of entertainment and see you all next time. Hopefully Congress can now focus on the long-awaited COVID relief instead of fighting windmills.
 
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Looks like the show is over and unraveled exactly as predicted. Thank you for an evening of entertainment and see you all next time. Hopefully Congress can now focus on the long-awaited COVID relief instead of fighting windmills.
Hopefully you can now focus on legitimate contributions to the conversation instead of whataboutism and nonsensical idle mockery of whatever Democrats try to do at any given moment.
And yes, it unraveled exactly as predicted- the Republicans were too busy drinking Trump-brand Kool-Aid to convict the guy that, you know, incited a violent insurrection against his own government in order to unlawfully maintain power.
It proved, yet again, that a large chunk of the Republican Party is a circle-jerking personality cult willing to sacrifice the last shreds of their morals in order to please the Almighty Donald.

Hopefully there's at least one criminal court somewhere that can get his ass in jail where he belongs for all his OTHER charges.
 

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Looks like the show is over and unraveled exactly as predicted. Thank you for an evening of entertainment and see you all next time. Hopefully Congress can now focus on the long-awaited COVID relief instead of fighting windmills.
Yes, with the majority of Republican Senators sucking down that Trump cock instead of doing their fucking jobs. Jesus, if you have this much of an issue determining how impartiality is supposed to work, go hang up your moderator hat.
 
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