Joe Biden is now officially the 46th President of the United States of America

[Darth Meteos]

Nice projection. I'll let it slide, I like a little memey picture every now and then as long as you stay on-topic.

oh, you are very obviously seething, though
i mean, you're a fascistic sympathizer, so it's not like being mad is new to you or anything

see the far-right victim mentality in action, folks
moan about the mean lefties being mean
and what was the mean thing they did
"hey, you should be punished for the bad thing you did/said"
ohhhhhhh cancel culture gone maaaad

if I were majority leader, I would offer trump this choice. If he could come before the senate and state for the record that he's not responsible for what happened on the 6th because he's too stupid to understand the consequences of his own actions, I would drop the impeachment. You think his ego would let him, or would he be compelled to take responsibility?

he'd say he didn't do it and didn't mean to, but if he had meant to it would have worked because he's the best at inciting riots, believe me, the best

 

[Foxi4]

"Nice projection", says the man that blamed the Democrats for everything the Republicans did and still refuses to admit it.

I would like to underline that I am not a Republican. In fact, I kind of hate the GOP - they fail to adequately represent conservative values and baloon the budget. I just happen to like Trump. I think making that distinction is important.

if I were majority leader, I would offer trump this choice. If he could come before the senate and state for the record that he's not responsible for what happened on the 6th because he's too stupid to understand the consequences of his own actions, I would drop the impeachment. You think his ego would let him, or would he be compelled to take responsibility?

Why would he take a plea deal of any kind when he's innocent and he'll obviously be acquitted? Seems like shooting yourself in your own foot for no reason to me. Maybe if there was a dangerous viper on said foot and he was at risk of injury or death from said viper, but not when it's just mud on the shoe that will be wiped off in time.

oh, you are very obviously seething, though
i mean, you're a fascistic sympathizer, so it's not like being mad is new to you or anything

I'm simply having a good laugh. Trump already did his job, he's not in office anymore and as such I don't care what happens to him now. I'm objective-oriented, not people-oriented. It'd be *funny* to me if he was indeed acquitted, which is the most likely outcome, and I pursue comedy and good humour in most things I do. I sincerely hope everyone is mentally prepared for the possibility of Trump getting off scot-free.

 

[Plasmaster09]

I would like to underline that I am not a Republican. In fact, I kind of hate the GOP - they fail to adequately represent conservative values and baloon the budget. I just happen to like Trump. I think making that distinction is important.
Why would he take a plea deal of any kind when he's innocent and he'll obviously be acquitted? Seems like shooting yourself in your own foot for no reason to me. Maybe if there was a dangerous viper on said foot and he was at risk of injury or death from said viper, but not when it's just mud on the shoe that will be wiped off in time.
I'm simply having a good laugh. Trump already did his job, he's not in office anymore and as such I don't care what happens to him now. I'm objective-oriented, not people-oriented. It'd be *funny* to me if he was indeed acquitted, which is the most likely outcome, and I pursue comedy and good humour in most things I do. I sincerely hope everyone is mentally prepared for the possibility of Trump getting off scot-free.

Okay, considering what you've said and the abnormally large dropping of Republican registrations as vast numbers of moderate right-wingers realize that the GOP is currently Trump-or-Nothing:
You've blamed the Democrats for everything that Trump and his supporters did.

 

[Foxi4]

Okay, considering what you've said and the abnormally large dropping of Republican registrations as vast numbers of moderate right-wingers realize that the GOP is currently Trump-or-Nothing:
You've blamed the Democrats for everything that Trump and his supporters did.

I blamed Democrats for what Democrats did - increased the temperature of political discourse to an 11, even before Trump was officially inaugurated.

 

[Lacius]

I would like to underline that I am not a Republican. In fact, I kind of hate the GOP - they fail to adequately represent conservative values and baloon the budget. I just happen to like Trump. I think making that distinction is important.

You like the man who doesn't represent conservative values who ballooned the budget.

Why would he take a plea deal of any kind when he's innocent and he'll obviously be acquitted?

While he will probably be acquitted for political reasons, he's definitely guilty of inciting the mob attack on the Capitol.

I'm objective-oriented, not people-oriented.

You're repeatedly ignoring the facts because you irrationally like Trump. For example, Trump was told Pence was in danger and taken by security, and he then tweeted attacks against Pence in the middle of the riot. This riot was Trump's pressure campaign against the results of the election. "I guess [the rioters] just care more about election fraud than you," Trump said said in response to pleas from the Capitol.

It'd be *funny* to me if he was indeed acquitted, which is the most likely outcome, and I pursue comedy and good humour in most things I do. I sincerely hope everyone is mentally prepared for the possibility of Trump getting off scot-free.

One could argue that you find it funny because of the disparity between someone being guilty and being exonerated.

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I blamed Democrats for what Democrats did - increased the temperature of political discourse to an 11, even before Trump was officially inaugurated.

This is bullshit, and you know it.

 

[Plasmaster09]

I blamed Democrats for what Democrats did - increased the temperature of political discourse to an 11, even before Trump was officially inaugurated.

Pretty sure that one's not us either.
The closest thing to that we've done is our relatively large concern on people actually having consequences for their actions.
Trump, on the other hand, started off his campaign and subsequently his term with a neverending stream of lies and hatred, to a point where anyone that doesn't fall in line with him exactly is deemed a traitor to the party and basically politically excommunicated.
You are currently a member of a cult of personality, hence my pleading with you to seek deprogramming and exit counseling (exit counseling is basically deprogramming with better methods and less negative associations- both serve the same goal, to get the patient to detach themselves from the cult).
Trump could shoot a man in cold blood and you would find a way to defend him.
Please, for the love of who(m)ever you may or may not worship and for your own good, seek help.

 

[Foxi4]

This is bullshit, and you know it.

Again, if your standard of incitement were to be applied to every official in the government, Maxine Waters would be in prison. She incited her followers regardless of whether she intended to or not, so if that's the standard, cuffs are on the way.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/25/politics/maxine-waters-trump-officials/index.html

You cannot claim that one is incitement and the other isn't without being a hypocrite. Once you agree to take that L, we can continue our conversation.

 

[Lacius]

Again, if your standard of incitement were to be applied to every official in the government, Maxine Waters would be in prison. She incited her followers regardless of whether she intended to or not, so if that's the standard, cuffs are on the way.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/25/politics/maxine-waters-trump-officials/index.html

You cannot claim that one is incitement and the other isn't without being a hypocrite. Once you agree to take that L, we can continue our conversation.

On principle, I don't respond to whataboutism, since by definition, it's irrelevant.

It's telling that you have to resort to it though.

 

[Foxi4]

Pretty sure that one's not us either.
The closest thing to that we've done is our relatively large concern on people actually having consequences for their actions.
Trump, on the other hand, started off his campaign and subsequently his term with a neverending stream of lies and hatred, to a point where anyone that doesn't fall in line with him exactly is deemed a traitor to the party and basically politically excommunicated.
You are currently a member of a cult of personality, hence my pleading with you to seek deprogramming and exit counseling (exit counseling is basically deprogramming with better methods and less negative associations- both serve the same goal, to get the patient to detach themselves from the cult).
Trump could shoot a man in cold blood and you would find a way to defend him.
Please, for the love of who(m)ever you may or may not worship and for your own good, seek help.

Beep boop, does not compute - not funny, didn't laugh. Jokes aside, I'm in full control of my mental faculties. You on the other hand probably don't own a lot of mirrors. That's neither here nor there - I never cares much about what people think about me and I'm not about to start now. We can agree to disagree without calling each other "programmed".

 

[Lacius]

@Foxi4
Actually, I will respond to your whataboutism. Waters told people to refuse service to people in the Trump administration as an act of resistance. Man, I really hope those pearls I ordered on Amazon get here soon so I can clutch them.

Nothing about what she said is relevant to the conversation of inciting an armed insurrection against the Capitol.

 

[Foxi4]

On principle, I don't respond to whataboutism, since by definition, it's irrelevant.

It's telling that you have to resort to it though.

It's not whataboutism, it's establishing a standard. If your argument is that certain kinds of speech incite violence, you have to specify a standard that can be used as a measuring stick. If your measuring stick depends on who is doing the speaking, you can sit on said stick - it's not fit for purpose, but I'm sure you'll find other places to fit it.

 

[Lacius]

It's not whataboutism, it's establishing a standard. If your argument is that certain kinds of speech incite violence, you have to specify a standard that can be used as a measuring stick. If your measuring stick depends on who is doing the speaking, you can sit on said stick - it's not fit for purpose, but I'm sure you'll find other places to fit it.

Beep boop, other people's alleged incitements of violence (she didn't incite violence) are irrelevant to whether or not someone else incited an armed insurrection against the Capitol. Try again.

It's textbook whataboutism.

 

[Foxi4]

@Foxi4
Actually, I will respond to your whataboutism. Waters told people to refuse service to people in the Trump administration as an act of resistance. Man, I really hope those pearls I ordered on Amazon get here soon so I can clutch them.

Nothing about what she said is relevant to the conversation of inciting an armed insurrection against the Capitol.

That is not what she said. This is what she said:

And if you see anybody from that Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd. And you push back on them. And you tell them they're not welcome anymore, anywhere.

Meaning harass members of the administration wherever you happen to see them because they're not welcome anywhere. That is what she said.

 

[Plasmaster09]

Beep boop, does not compute - not funny, didn't laugh. Jokes aside, I'm in full control of my mental faculties. You on the other hand probably don't own a lot of mirrors. That's neither here nor there - I never cares much about what people think about me and I'm not about to start now. We can agree to disagree without calling each other "programmed".

dude, you don't quite understand what I'm saying
you may be in control of your mental faculties, but there is a self-imposed barrier against admitting Trump did any bad or Democrats did any good
we shower you with evidence of Donald's dastardly deeds and deadly direction deficiencies... you deny them all
Donald Trump and his slowly dwindling swarm of pet liars have removed your ability to distinguish fact from fiction, and you need to realize that
if Trump was a Democrat (and let's face it, he isn't even Republican- he only cares about himself above all else, so his political affiliation might as well just be "Trump"), I'd want him to rot in jail regardless, and for all the same reasons
but you? if Trump was a Democrat and you weren't attached to him like a louse, you would probably outright wish death upon him!
heck, if Biden did ONE of the hundreds of things Trump has done, you would likely wish him publicly guillotined!

That is not what she said. This is what she said:
Meaning harass members of the administration wherever you happen to see them because they're not welcome anywhere. That is what she said.

"That's not what she said"... but it's what she meant.
"Push back on them" just means "call them out for being horrible people that sided with a horrible person for the sake of power".
You keep misinterpreting "give people consequences for their voluntary actions" as "harass people for personal beliefs". Being in the Trump administration and actively choosing to help him ruin the country is not a personal belief, it is a choice of power over morals and DESERVES public ridicule.

 

[Lacius]

That is not what she said. This is what she said:
Meaning harras members of the administration wherever you happen to see them because they're not welcome. That is what she said.

Who's going to tell him there are no calls to violence or harassment in that quote? Can I do it? Please? Okay.

There are no calls to violence or harassment in that quote. She's calling people to refuse service, like what was done with SHS. My SHS pearls haven't come in yet, but I plan on clutching those for this one.

Edit: See my previous posts on what Trump actually did. You should also look up whataboutism.

 

[Foxi4]

dude, you don't quite understand what I'm saying
you may be in control of your mental faculties, but there is a self-imposed barrier against admitting Trump did any bad or Democrats did any good
we shower you with evidence of Donald's dastardly deeds and deadly direction deficiencies... you deny them all
Donald Trump and his slowly dwindling swarm of pet liars have removed your ability to distinguish fact from fiction, and you need to realize that
if Trump was a Democrat (and let's face it, he isn't even Republican- he only cares about himself above all else, so his political affiliation might as well just be "Trump"), I'd want him to rot in jail regardless, and for all the same reasons
but you? if Trump was a Democrat and you weren't attached to him like a louse, you would probably outright wish death upon him!
heck, if Biden did ONE of the hundreds of things Trump has done, you would likely wish him publicly guillotined!

Thanks, doctor. I didn't really ask for a session, but if you are a licensed therapist, now would be the time to flash that license. If you don't have one, you can drop that discussion, as funny as it is to me. This isn't a thread about me - if you want to waste time, waste it via PM so you don't further detract from the subject of the thread. I'm happy that you care so much about me and my well-being, but most people don't, and I like it that way.

 

[Lacius]

I'm happy that you care so much about me and my well-being, but most people don't, and I like it that way.

I don't.

 

[Foxi4]

Who's going to tell him there are no calls to violence or harassment in that quote? Can I do it? Please? Okay.

There are no calls to violence or harassment in that quote. She's calling people to refuse service, like what was done with SHS. My SHS pearls haven't come in yet, but I plan on clutching those for this one.

Edit: See my previous posts on what Trump actually did. You should also look up whataboutism.

You need to set an acceptable standard of speech. Detract from that all day if you want, but if you can't vocalise what is and is not permissable in a heated public speech, your bias is showing. For the record, I don't think Waters should be on her way to Gitmo for what she said, but I can easily call it a violence-inciting dog whistle, regardless of her original intention, since apparently intent went out the window with the start of these proceedings.

 

[Plasmaster09]

Thanks, doctor. I didn't really ask for a session, but if you are a licensed therapist, now would be the time to flash that license. If you don't have one, you can drop that discussion, as funny as it is to me. This isn't a thread about me - if you want to waste time, waste it via PM so you don't further detract from the subject of the thread. I'm happy that you care so much about me and my well-being, but most people don't, and I like it that way.

Look at yourself.
Look at what you have said regarding any Democrat, and look at you have said regarding Trump.
Then look at what those people have actually said and done.
Realize just how fucking wrong you have been and how much hypocrisy you have spouted.

You need to set an acceptable standard of speech. Detract from that all day if you want, but if you can't vocalise what is and is not permissable in a heated public speech, your bias is showing. For the record, I don't think Waters should be on her way to Gitmo for what she said, but I can easily call it a violence-inciting dog whistle, regardless of her original intention, since apparently intent went out the window with the start of these proceedings.

I'd say it's an awful lot less likely to incite violence than Trump telling his supporters that Biden stole the election, that they have to be strong to fight it and that they need to fight like hell to 'reclaim' the election.

 

[Foxi4]

Look at yourself.
Look at what you have said regarding any Democrat, and look at you have said regarding Trump.
Then look at what those people have actually said and done.
Realize just how fucking wrong you have been and how much hypocrisy you have spouted.

I'd say it's an awful lot less likely to incite violence than Trump telling his supporters that Biden stole the election, that they have to be strong to fight it and that they need to fight like hell to 'reclaim' the election.

Listen, telling you not to play therapist isn't a carte blanche to play the preacher instead. If you don't have anything to say about the currently recessed impeachment proceedings and wish to instead focus on talking about me personally for some undisclosed reason, I'll have to treat your posts as off-topic. I've given you a subtle verbal indication that this will be the case, but you didn't seem to pick up on it. Stick to the topic, get off my back - rides are $5 a minute and you haven't paid yet.

In any case, after the recess the Senate will finally decide whether they want to call in witnesses or vote straight away. There's a fair chance that they'll vote for holding further hearings, extending the circus a little longer. We'll see soon enough.