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Joe Biden is now officially the 46th President of the United States of America

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Oof. That's really all I have to say.
There's not much else to say, the compilation of Democrats praising or even calling for violence completely dismantled them. That, tied with the deceptive way Trump's speeches were edited down by the media side-by-side with the full statements was a series of punches right in the gut. There's no recovery from this level of hypocrisy, and this time around America was watching. A very effective presentation, in my opinion. Good show from everyone involved.
 

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There's not much else to say, the compilation of Democrats praising or even calling for violence completely dismantled them. That, tied with the deceptive way Trump's speeches were edited down by the media side-by-side with the full statements was a series of punches right in the gut. There's no recovery from this level of hypocrisy, and this time around America was watching. A very effective presentation, in my opinion. Good show from everyone involved.
Excuse me, what?
Trump outright told his supporters to "fight like hell" and insinuated that Biden's victory was something that they had to stop at all costs.
The clips shown were basically just bits of people saying the word "fight" without any context of the things they were fighting (peacefully) for- healthcare, etc.
If anything in this entire trial has been selectively edited to twist its words, it's those clips.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...live-updates/#link-TORSLDZ2TZEAHH65DRF24BEZ7E
I doubt it dismantled much, considering the main thing was what Trump wanted his supporters to fight FOR- a blatant disregard of our democracy to place him in a position he did not earn. (That, and all the Trumpers that were at the Capitol riot that basically said "I did this because Trump told us to".)
 
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There's not much else to say, the compilation of Democrats praising or even calling for violence completely dismantled them. That, tied with the deceptive way Trump's speeches were edited down by the media side-by-side with the full statements was a series of punches right in the gut. There's no recovery from this level of hypocrisy, and this time around America was watching. A very effective presentation, in my opinion. Good show from everyone involved.
Democrats didn't call for violence, and Trump's speeches were not deceptively edited. The broad consensus from both sides is the Trump's defense has been pretty poor, and the impeachment managers have done a pretty good, albeit repetitive, job (regardless of where you land on the issue).
 

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Democrats didn't call for violence, and Trump's speeches were not deceptively edited. The broad consensus from both sides is the Trump's defense has been pretty poor, and the impeachment managers have done a pretty good, albeit repetitive, job (regardless of where you land on the issue).
Trump: I won, Biden cheated, and we must fight like hell to stop him- and I'll be with you fighting for it. (Of course, he wasn't, because in addition to a narcissist, wannabe tyrant, bigot and traitor to everything our nation stands for, he's also a coward.)
Trumpers: that isn't what he said!
Everyone else: no these are literally things that he said on recording, and the additional context is entirely composed of dogwhistles or outright lies
Trumpers: MuSt Be MaNiPuLaTeD!
Some Dem somewhere: explains his platform and promises I'm a fighter, and... continues explaining platform and promises with absolutely no insinuation of violence whatsoever
Trump's team: badly cuts the footage so it just says "I'm a fighter"
Trumpers: SOUNDS LEGIT LMFAO DEMS BE VIOLENT AND WE AMN'T YEEHAW BITCHES TRUMP 2021
 

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Trump: I won, Biden cheated, and we must fight like hell to stop him- and I'll be with you fighting for it. (Of course, he wasn't, because in addition to a narcissist, wannabe tyrant, bigot and traitor to everything our nation stands for, he's also a coward.)
Trumpers: that isn't what he said!
Everyone else: no these are literally things that he said on recording, and the additional context is entirely composed of dogwhistles or outright lies
Trumpers: MuSt Be MaNiPuLaTeD!
Some Dem somewhere: explains his platform and promises I'm a fighter, and... continues explaining platform and promises with absolutely no insinuation of violence whatsoever
Trump's team: badly cuts the footage so it just says "I'm a fighter"
Trumpers: SOUNDS LEGIT LMFAO DEMS BE VIOLENT AND WE AMN'T YEEHAW BITCHES TRUMP 2021
While imperfect, this is actually a pretty good paraphrasing of what happened today.
 

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Democrats didn't call for violence, and Trump's speeches were not deceptively edited. The broad consensus from both sides is the Trump's defense has been pretty poor, and the impeachment managers have done a pretty good, albeit repetitive, job (regardless of where you land on the issue).
We must've watched a different hearing then, because that's definitely not how I see it. Republican Senators laid out a very good case for why they'll vote to acquit, and they will. The rest of this trial will be a huge waste of everyone's time.
 

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We must've watched a different hearing then, because that's definitely not how I see it. Republican Senators laid out a very good case for why they'll vote to acquit, and they will. The rest of this trial will be a huge waste of everyone's time.
Respectfully, I'm not surprised that's how you saw it. Trump spent months sowing dangerous rhetoric about the election having been stolen and suggesting people fight to take the country back (by overthrowing democracy), and then Trump incited an angry mob to go to the Capitol, and the Republican response is essentially "Democrats technically used the word 'fight' before." It was pretty silly.
 
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Respectfully, I'm not surprised that's how you saw it. Trump spent months sowing dangerous rhetoric about the election having been stolen and suggesting people fight to take the country back (by overthrowing democracy), and then Trump incited an angry mob to go to the Capitol, and the Republican response is essentially "Democrats technically used the word 'fight' before." It was pretty silly.
To be fair, Foxi isn't wrong.
Most of the Republican senators likely will vote to acquit.
However, this is not because of any semblance of respect for justice or truth, nor is it because their side had a REMOTELY decent argument.
It is because Trump has turned the Republican Party into a cult of personality, and they will side with him until their dying breaths.
 

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Respectfully, I'm not surprised that's how you saw it. Trump spent months sowing dangerous rhetoric about the election having been stolen and suggesting people fight to take the country back (by overthrowing democracy), and then Trump incited an angry mob to go to the Capitol, and the Republican response is essentially "Democrats technically used the word 'fight' before." It was pretty silly.
Democrats have been sowing dangerous rhetoric for the last four years. Nothing I saw today was news to me, but it will be news to many people who don't follow politics as closely. Trump will be acquitted, he didn't incite anyone to do anything. Don't minimise the damage done here - it's not at all about the word "fight". When Waters told her supporters to harass Republicans in the streets because "they're not welcome" or when Pressley said that "there should be unrest in the streets as long as there is unrest in our lives", those weren't ambiguous statements, those were "dog whistles" in Democrat parlance, and this is the first time some Americans will hear that. I have *zero* doubt that right-wingers were harassed as a consequence of this kind of rhetoric - in fact, I have evidence that they were. Rand Paul was berated while just trying to have a meal, so was Ted Cruz and his wife. Sarah Huckabee Sanders was straight up asked to leave by the proprietor of Red Hen just because she was part of the Trump admin. It's very clear to me which side is sowing division, and has been for a very long time by demonising their opposition at every available opportunity.
 

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Democrats have been sowing dangerous rhetoric for the last four years. Nothing I saw today was news to me, but it will be news to many people who don't follow politics as closely. Trump will be acquitted, he didn't incite anyone to do anything. Don't minimise the damage done here - it's not at all about the word "fight". When Waters told her supporters to harass Republicans in the streets because "they're not welcome" or when Pressley said that "there should be unrest in the streets as long as there is unrest in our lives", those weren't ambiguous statements, those were "dog whistles" in Democrat parlance, and this is the first time some Americans will hear that. I have *zero* doubt that right-wingers were harassed as a consequence of this kind of rhetoric - in fact, I have evidence that they were. Rand Paul was berated while just trying to have a meal, so was Ted Cruz and his wife. Sarah Huckabee Sanders was straight up asked to leave by the proprietor of Red Hen just because she was part of the Trump admin. It's very clear to me which side is sowing division, and has been for a very long time by demonising their opposition at every available opportunity.
uh what
what are you smoking
you've somehow managed to be wrong about who did everything
literally the only thing we don't tolerate... is intolerance
if someone's a bigoted fuck that is actively part of the problem with our nation, they deserve ridicule for it
if someone STANDS UP TO bigoted fucks and tries to be part of the solution, they deserve praise or at least not ridicule for it
how is "there should be unrest in the streets as long as there is unrest in our lives" (read: as long as people are treated unfairly, we should stand up against said treatment) somehow inciting violence but Trump telling his supporters to fight like hell to change the election results... NOT inciting violence
how have we been "sowing dangerous rhetoric" by basically just looking at everything Trump's said and done and gone "for fucks sake why will you guys refuse to accept that LITERALLY ANY OF THIS IS BAD JUST BECAUSE HE DID IT"... but Trump hasn't been sowing any dangerous rhetoric despite basically building all his campaign promises (aside from the couple that basically everyone on either party inevitably has to say but never manages to pull off) around bigotry and xenophobia and then spending months upon months lying to everyone claiming he won the election, claiming widespread fraud that does not exist and basically slandering the entirety of the Democratic Party 24/7?!
you're looking at a kid getting bullied, praising the bully and calling the teacher on the one kid with the balls and the morals to stand up for them.
you, and everyone that shares your Trump-centric, paradoxical doublethink-powered worldview of lies and hatred... are the problem.
the difference between a Democrat and a Republican right now is that a Democrat is defined by ideologies, and a Republican is defined by their party and whichever talking head they let deceive them at the moment... and an intense loathing for anyone that happens to be defined by ideologies. (and any Republicans that happen to be defined by ideologies... inevitably get on Trump's bad side and are subsequently no-true-scotsmanned out of the party altogether.)
please seek professional deprogramming.
 

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Democrats have been sowing dangerous rhetoric for the last four years. Nothing I saw today was news to me, but it will be news to many people who don't follow politics as closely. Trump will be acquitted, he didn't incite anyone to do anything. Don't minimise the damage done here - it's not at all about the word "fight". When Waters told her supporters to harass Republicans in the streets because "they're not welcome" or when Pressley said that "there should be unrest in the streets as long as there is unrest in our lives", those weren't ambiguous statements, those were "dog whistles" in Democrat parlance, and this is the first time some Americans will hear that. I have *zero* doubt that right-wingers were harassed as a consequence of this kind of rhetoric - in fact, I have evidence that they were. Rand Paul was berated while just trying to have a meal, so was Ted Cruz and his wife. Sarah Huckabee Sanders was straight up asked to leave by the proprietor of Red Hen just because she was part of the Trump admin. It's very clear to me which side is sowing division, and has been for a very long time by demonising their opposition at every available opportunity.
This isn't an issue of "sowing division." It's an issue about instigating violence against the Capitol in an effort to forcibly overturn our election because Trump didn't like the outcome.

Wait, wait, wait, I'm sorry, did you say Sarah Huckabee Sanders was asked to leave a restaurant? I need to go buy some pearls so I can clutch at them.
 

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It's been less than a month, so they probably don't want to fire any personnel for one-time things to avoid lacking said personnel even longer. (Especially with all the kerfuffle of Republicans being such absolute fucking obstacles that Biden even getting his Cabinet together was an overly long hassle!)
If the guy had a less horrible replacement lined up already, he'd probably have gotten the axe immediately.
 
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But then you have this

https://www.today.com/news/biden-promises-appointees-he-will-fire-them-spot-if-they-t206392

I think one of his staff members telling a reporter "I will end you" among other threats on a phone call should be grounds for it. If not then its no different then the last administration.
AFAIK Biden wasn't the one that made the decision to suspend him- and firing him mid suspension seems both redundant and overly punitive.
Also... there is a LOT that must be done to deserve the stained descriptor of "no different than the [Trump] administration".
Like appointing people like Betsy DeVos who only served in their positions to willingly ruin them as much as humanly possible.
Biden hasn't done that, and has no reason to.
 
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Wonder how the hell they'll spin THIS one as "manipulated" or "out of context" when literally the entire context is Trump being a neglectful, terrorism-encouraging treason-weasel!
McCarthy is literally begging Trump to call off his supporters during the deadly Capitol riot, and Trump gleefully turned him down.

"Well, Kevin, I guess these people are more upset about the election than you are," Trump said, according to lawmakers who were briefed on the call afterward by McCarthy.

McCarthy insisted that the rioters were Trump's supporters and begged Trump to call them off.

Trump's comment set off what Republican lawmakers familiar with the call described as a shouting match between the two men. A furious McCarthy told the President the rioters were breaking into his office through the windows, and asked Trump, "Who the f--k do you think you are talking to?" according to a Republican lawmaker familiar with the call.
 

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Wait, wait, wait, I'm sorry, did you say Sarah Huckabee Sanders was asked to leave a restaurant? I need to go buy some pearls so I can clutch at them.
Yeah, it's an absurdly shitty take by our dear moderator there. If you're an asshole, folks aren't going to want you around, simple as that. It's skirting towards the usual "cancel culture" argument, which does zero to take into account the basic concept of consequences.
 
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