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  1. tabzer

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    But they are not forever "colloquial facts".

    And I think that in the future, they will become outdated.

    You are choosing to focus on something that doesn't matter so much, at least in the context of this conversation.
     
  2. smf

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    When I focused on other points, you drew it back to you were only ever discussing that change happens. Even though that is an obvious lie, because nobody has ever argued with you that change happens.

    You appear to be doing this on purpose either because you incorrectly think it helps you win an argument, or because you are trolling. I can't figure out which.

    So your gravity theory is rubbish and you otherwise just stated something obvious.

    I'm at a loss what point you're actually trying to make in the context of this conversation & that seems to be more of a problem with how you write your posts.
     
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  3. tabzer

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    Oh, the "you either agree with me or you are a troll" proposition. Well, I provided an idea, the rest of the literature I supplied was support for the idea. Not the other way around.
     
  4. smf

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    No, I am not saying you are a troll because I disagree.

    I'm saying you're a troll because you're just throwing out random posts and when someone tries to disagree with you then you gaslight everyone who responds.

    If you're not a troll then you just are clueless about how to have a discussion but are incapable of realizing it & instead blame everyone else
     
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  5. tabzer

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    If I am successful at gaslighting anybody with my posts, then the idea of science was already out of the window. My posts aren't random. There is no random. We try at random and fail.
     
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    We are as confident that evolution is a fact as we are confident that the Earth orbits around the Sun. So yes, they are probably "forever colloquial facts."

    Are you arguing the Earth does not orbit the Sun? When you're also discounting evolution, I guess you're at least being consistent.

    We are always learning new things, and scientific theories are often revised when our understanding changes, but theories like evolution and heliocentrism are so substantiated that we can say with an extremely high level of confidence that no, they will not become significantly outdated. The Earth orbits around the Sun, and humans (like the rest of the species on Earth) evolved. These are facts.

    The position that heliocentrism and/or evolution will "become outdated" is anti-science, anti-fact, and anti-reason. It's your prerogative to hold unreasonable views, but let's not pretend they're anything other than unreasonable.
     
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    I didn't say you were successful at gaslighting.

    You have just disproved yourself, with the meaningless "the idea of science was already out of the window".

    It's just some random bullshit that means nothing and has no relevance to the first part of the sentence.

    If you disagree with me then you are saying unicorns are real and talk to you (see I can pull the same crap as you)
     
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    "probably". Can you handle a weather forecast?

    I am not arguing that the Earth does not orbit the Sun* oops. I would argue that the Earth and the Sun revolve around each other. The Earth revolves around the Sun far more than the Sun revolves around the Earth, but both are true.

    Okay. I can agree with you on this point. The theory will be "revised" to fit in what we learn.

    But it is possible for a paradigm shift to alienate all of the terms we are using.



    You are boring. Shut up please.
     
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  9. Lacius

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    We are much more confident that heliocentrism and evolution are true than we are confident about the average weather forecast. They aren't comparable. Evolution and heliocentrism are models about what happened and what's happening; the weather forecast is a statement about probability regarding future events.

    The two theories can be used to make probabilistic predictions, but those are separate issues.

    That was a typo on my part. I asked if you think the Earth doesn't orbit around the Sun. That's what it sounds like you're saying when you say heliocentrism theory is likely to become "outdated."

    The theory could be revised to fit new information, yes. However, a.) that's highly unlikely to occur, given the substantial evidence we already have, and b.) until that time in which new evidence presents itself, it's unreasonable to reject the theory as it is.
     
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    Lol. I believed in you, blindly.

    I made the edit. (look back).

    Confidence is nice, but it wasn't earned, and I'm not sure that it is good for our situation. Weather forcast = few days while science forecast = a century? Time is relative, and the science is consistent, no?

    Until it occurs.
     
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    The confidence we have in the theory of evolution and the theory of heliocentrism is very much earned. They both have overwhelming evidence supporting them, and zero evidence contradicting them. We know for a fact that evolution is real and heliocentrism is real.

    It's unreasonable, unfactual, and unscientific to say it's going to occur before it occurs. All you have is the science and evidence available to you now, and I suggest you use them. You're lucky to have them.
     
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    Look dude. I just provided you with a claim that the Earth revolves around the sun AND the sun revolves around the Earth. You should either acknowledge that, dismiss it, or gtfo.
     
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    The Earth orbits around the Sun, not the other way around.
    The Sun orbits the supermassive black hole at the center of the Milky Way Galaxy.
     
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    So you decided to be a science "teacher" instead of a scientist.
     
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    You can send me a PM if you're actually interested in my career choices. I'm also not sure why you put quotation marks around "teacher." I am a teacher.
     
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    Boring because I'm right, gotcha.

    Stop using provable facts to win arguments. He is clearly more entitled to win than you.
     
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    In the same post you said you don't share your opinions on historical topic yet you want them to come to the same conclusions as you? Which means sharing your opinions. Yeah, I think we're done here.

    Of course I'd like more people to think the same way of common sense, but I know how thick, stupid, and ignorant people can be so it's up to them if they want to change, and if they don't, then the possible consequences of the future is on them. I don't force people and try to shame them like a lot of people I've seen here do.
    So why am I here? To study people, learn, and even trigger them for fun since it's so easy to.

    It kinda is an opinion in a way, but like I said, you do you.


    The reason I'm on fire is from all the people I've triggered and how angry they get lol
     
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    leave it to a conservative to not be able to tell the difference between wanting something and actioning upon it
     
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    I have a lack of opinion on what you should do in your private life.

    It's actually rather creepy when people have an opinion, because it means you are thinking about them doing stuff.
     
  20. Acid_Snake

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    I'm not the one who looks at a picture of a human being suffering and dying of starvation due to political ideologies and inmediately thinks of "french fries".
    How are you any different from hollocaust deniers?
    How are you any different from the people who commit genocides when you blatantly ignore the people suffering?
    You're not a history teacher, you're a souless and twisted individual who should be nowhere near any school.

    Edit: now I understand why you continue to twist facts about fascism, you're literally just hiding the fact that you are one by shifting the focus somewhere else.
     
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