Joe Biden is now officially the 46th President of the United States of America

[leon315]

I grab the popcorn and scroll down very slowly the comments.........
Bit spectacle tho!

P.S. do anyone consider to bacome socialist? cauz the capitalism is EVIL.

Trump was a secret agent

Didn't everyone say Trump is Russian spy? and Biden is Chinese puppet? AKA Biden's son get multimillion bribe?

 

[KingVamp]

The willingness to takedown an undemocratic law, but can't and still using it VS not even entertaining the idea unless it helps your side and even willing to add even more undemocratic laws, as long as you win, does seem a bit difference.

Edit: We could have a conversation about how a ranked choice voting system is or isn't more fair, but we don't have to go down that road.

Do you prefer rcv or approval voting?

 

[Foxi4]

Using your own example, I can imagine a situation (albeit an unrealistic one, given political attitudes and the Thirteenth Amendment) where the filibuster is the only thing that stands in the way of slavery being reimplemented, and in that situation, using the filibuster to block slavery would be a morally justified use of the filibuster.

That being said, the filibuster should not exist, nor should the other undemocratic systems I've mentioned. That's not a contradictory position.

Okay, I'll take that as a "yes" then, happy days. As long as we both agree that it is permissable to use measures you yourself might consider to be "wrong" in the process of stopping a bigger wrong from being committed, all is well. You seemed to be against that train of thought, for whatever reason.

 

[Lacius]

That's an interpretation, but I don't agree with that. Is a pacifist region of people "effectively" saying that they are fine with being dominated by an imperialistic legion?

If a person chooses not to vote, then that person doesn't count. That's their choice. All that matters is a candidate earns a majority of votes cast.

This is all assuming voting isn't made inconvenient or impossible for some.

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Okay, I'll take that as a "yes" then, happy days. As long as we both agree that it is permissable to use measures you yourself might consider to be "wrong" in the process of stopping a bigger wrong from being committed, all is well. You seemed to be against that train of thought, for whatever reason.

And you seem against democracy.

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The willingness to takedown an undemocratic law, but can't and still using it VS not even entertaining the idea unless it helps your side and even willing to add even more undemocratic laws, as long as you win, does seem a bit difference.


Do you prefer rcv or approval voting?

I think ranked choice voting, or some variation of it (jungle primaries, etc.) are the fairest and most democratic.

I have some problems with approval voting, but I think an argument can be made that it's better than the status quo.

 

[tabzer]

If a person chooses not to vote, then that person doesn't count. That's their choice. All that matters is a candidate earns a majority of votes cast.

This is all assuming voting isn't made inconvenient or impossible for some.

So, in other words, assuming Democracy is good enough.

Imperialism it is then.

 

[Foxi4]

ALSO FIND RIDICULOUSLY hilarious that While you spewing whatever nonsense you claim..
WE found out that CCP was Trying to Damage American Government by Funding the Proud Boys $86,000 to attack the Capitol.... Ouch that has to sting
Proud Boys saw wave of contributions from China before Capitol attack

Why are you lying about the contents of this article? Did you read it? The donations apparently came from Chinese Americans and (presumably) their families from the wider Chinese diaspora who are sympathetic to the Proud Boys and their cause, not from the Chinese government. At no point does the USA Today even suggest that the CCP funded anything, they even interview the donors.

 

[tabzer]

Why are you lying about the contents of this article? Did you read it? The donations apparently came from Chinese Americans sympathetic to the Proud Boys and their cause, not from the Chinese government.

Shhh.. Don't make him look racist.

 

[djpannda]

" random meme or photo and just just say whatever you want to fit the narrative and hope no-one questions you. " ..damn I guess it does not work both ways...

 

[tabzer]

" random meme or photo and just just say whatever you want to fit the narrative and hope no-one questions you. " ..damn I guess it does not work both ways...

Aww Sadpannda.

 

[Foxi4]

" random meme or photo and just just say whatever you want to fit the narrative and hope no-one questions you. " ..damn I guess it does not work both ways...

I mean, that's just straight disinfo. I don't see the funny, unless you mean making yourself look silly, in which case... Congrats?

 

[tabzer]

I mean, that's just straight disinfo. I don't see the funny, unless you mean making yourself look silly, in which case... Congrats?

He did post pictures of Hitler and in a subsequent post commented how others are posting garbage.

 

[djpannda]

I mean, that's just straight disinfo. I don't see the funny, unless you mean making yourself look silly, in which case... Congrats?

really cause I don't see you correcting the statement I was replying to .. Guess "misinformation" is based on points of view?
seem like the only different I actually put the link of the source rather have people take my work for it.

 

[Foxi4]

really cause I don't see you correcting the statement I was replying to .. Guess "misinformation" is based on points of view?

Is there something that needs correcting? Until recently the BLM Network specifically identified itself as a Marxist organisation, they only took it off the site once right-wing commentators noticed. There are archived copies of their page that demonstrate as much.

 

[djpannda]

Is there something that needs correcting? Until recently the BLM Network specifically identified itself as a Marxist organisation, they only took it off the site once right-wing commentators noticed. There are archived copies of their page that demonstrate as much.

Great MODDING!

 

[tabzer]

really cause I don't see you correcting the statement I was replying to .. Guess "misinformation" is based on points of view?

Anecdotal vs disinformation. While anecdotal information is prone to bias, misinformation, or the lack of information, disinformation is malicious in intention.

But maybe you were just jumping to conclusions?

 

[Lacius]

So, in other words, assuming Democracy is good enough.

Imperialism it is then.

There's no assumption of democracy. It is democracy.

 

[tabzer]

There's no assumption of democracy. It is democracy.

Life is democracy. Couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[Foxi4]

Great MODDING!

Posting an article and misrepresenting its contents purposefully is blatant disinformation. Saying that an organisation that, until recently, self-identified as Marxist in their mission statement as entirely Marxist is a generalisation at worst. I'm double-checking archive.org to make sure that I'm actually correct on this.

EDIT: Double-checked the claim, the moniker comes from the original founders calling themselves "trained Marxists" in interviews, I quote from PolitiFact:

"We do have an ideological frame. Myself and Alicia, in particular, are trained organizers; we are trained Marxists. We are superversed on, sort of, ideological theories. And I think what we really try to do is build a movement that could be utilized by many, many Black folks."

We didn’t find that Garza and Tometi have referred to themselves as Marxists. But the book publisher Penguin Random House has said Garza, an author, "describes herself as a queer social justice activist and Marxist."

https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/jul/21/black-lives-matter-marxist-movement/

PolitiFact rates the claim as "More to consider than just the statements" on the basis of how broad the movement is. It's very unlikely that each and every BLM supporter is a self-professed Marxist, so saying that is a generalisation. With that being said, the organisation was originally founded by Marxists.

The page I was referring to was the "What We Believe" section which has been modified and later removed from the website, an archived copy can be found here:

https://web.archive.org/web/20200916234245/https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/

There's a couple of somewhat suspect statements here which possibly led to the deletion, such as:

Every day, we recommit to healing ourselves and each other, and to co-creating alongside comrades, allies, and family a culture where each person feels seen, heard, and supported.

(...)

We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.

(...)

We practice empathy. We engage comrades with the intent to learn about and connect with their contexts.

Couple of nods, but inconclusive.

My rating? Half-true. Founded by Marxists, supported by large swathes of the population who are not all Marxist.

 

[Lacius]

Life is democracy. Couldn't have said it better myself.

What I was referencing when I mentioned assumptions are the draconian voter restrictions the Republicans are trying to pass to keep likely Democratic voters from voting. I'm also referring to effectively restrictive systems, like Tuesday voting, no early voting, and the fact that it isn't a holiday.

If voting is accessible but a person chooses not to vote, I have no inherent problem with that, and I have no problem with the results of an election as a consequence.

 

[tabzer]

What I was referencing when I mentioned assumptions are the draconian voter restrictions the Republicans are trying to pass to keep likely Democratic voters from voting. I'm also referring to effectively restrictive systems, like Tuesday voting, no early voting, and the fact that it isn't a holiday.

If voting is accessible but a person chooses not to vote, I have no inherent problem with that, and I have no problem with the results of an election as a consequence.

Right, so Democracy your way. I've already seen you ignore the imperialism vs pacifism point. Considering that you cannot be forward about fudging simple math, I'll take that as an admission that "imperialism is good".