1. FAST6191

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    I don't know if that is quite god works in mysterious ways. Dangerously close though.

    But no I was not suggesting that. Possibly an extreme example of the notion.

    If I must state an understanding.

    Privilege, as it pertains to notions of some operating in the "concern for minorities" space, is the idea that though overt or unconscious bigotry that those not "suffering" from minority traits will be granted boons and nicer paths by others in the world (which being majority makes a bit of a nice feedback loop), such that collectively they might enjoy an increased standard of life, and maybe not even be aware of the boons and desirable paths afforded them and the plight of those that do indeed "suffer" minority traits. Indeed it may even be a conscious effort to account for those boons (be it having them or not).

    Could it have existed at one point in time in the US? Oh yeah. Probably still exists in some seriously localised areas of the world and places people would rather not live (which probably have their own unique confluence, though more on that shortly). As it stands in the US today? Lost in the noise and the baseline variables that make up any such concept are anything but sex, race, preference in genital touching or whether biology saw fit to gift them with the genitals their head reckons is good stuff. Further to that generally obviated by random chance and other boons than the supposed negatives of minority status. Poverty and ability to achieve a worthwhile education without particular distraction by other things probably being two good candidates in that one.

    Perceived or imagined possession or lack of such a thing might colour the actions of some, see also "god is always watching" (though "the bigots are out to get me" might be the one here) and "say a little prayer before doing this action". Whether it is a useful concept to adopt for yourself is a different matter, could be a useful one to study from an anthropological perspective though.
     
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    Wrong and wrong.

    So while in terms of numbers you are probably correct.

    There are two issues. Green jobs are about high industry, innovation, and bumblef*ck sales people convincing people that they want a windmill in their backyard, or say nothing to overland electrical lines being stumped through their yards - without them seeing any yield for energy being shiped cross borders ('smartgrids'). So those people who lost fracking jobs - arent necessarily the ones for those jobs. Even after you reskill them. The salesman, that has to sell to their former friends that coals is bad, so now they'd have to get into the other stuff, that was a former coal worker -- eh, lets say produces internal conflicts.

    Further more - green jobs ultimately are disruptive - essentially to how oil was transported and then refined, and then refined again, and then used for byproducts, and then also was the greatest energy storage medium we know (energy density), and mobile (you could easily ship gas around), and extremely cheap, even shipped in from the middle east --

    this means, that with green energy replacing that - you simple have about a third less 'profit' available to everyone who is dealing in that stuff (even if solar is the cheapest form of energy production around (but we arent only looking at energy production)).

    And this comes in addition to - transition having to be pushed in rather fast, so at first you hike up efficiency gain (cut out companies wasting energy) before you hike up CO2 prices (or energy prices, or something that can act as a market signal), which you make sure arent impacting the poorest people in society (other wise rebellion), but which also means, that Industry now has to invest very big into innovation. So there is less 'slack' to hand around.

    Which means, if you are a business men in green tech, as in the average one, its a much much worse market than fracking.

    It will also produce less jobs.

    Less manufacturing.

    Less labor.

    ...

    In germany currently its sold as "we are a high industry export lead economy" so we produce that stuff, and then send it out to the rest of the world. If everyone is thinking that way - stuff is not going to pan out.

    Also - wind industry is better in that sense for more people, because for high industry manufacturing you need component suppliers, and steel and ...

    Solar? Forget it. Installers either cut in on the import price margin, or hope that they are overbooked as they are ahead of a trend, but in terms of qulification, or 'money to go around'.... Nothing, compared to fracking.

    That said, green transition has to be phased in, just dont lie to people, and tell them its the next job wonder. No - it will cost jobs. Well paying jobs. For quite a while.


    edit: Roughly:
    https://www.ogv.energy/news-item/can-renewables-become-as-profitable-as-oil-and-gas

    https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/wind-and-solar-profits-the-battle
    (Articles contain spin - but are not outrageously misleading.)


    edit2: Long term impact of green transition as forcast by the Economic and social development report in the EU - is "neutral or slightly positive" - long term.

    https://ec.europa.eu/social/BlobServlet?docId=21417&langId=en

    Depending on carbon pricing - and lets say it outright 25 USD is a joke -

    in net change would cost jobs until around 2040:
    https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Z20oR5APgWIJ:https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/would-a-green-new-deal-add-or-kill-jobs1/+&cd=13&hl=en&ct=clnk


    Most newly created jobs would be in the service sector, so less well paying - or as part of the transitioning efforts - so once once the infrastructure is in place...


    edit:

    Best one (easiest to parse) yet:
    https://www.epi.org/blog/how-to-thi...some-others-and-increase-job-quality-overall/
     
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    Anyone that unironically uses "TDS" has TDS and/or is some boomer Facebook memer who is just now using "TDS" a few years after it was coined to describe Trump's fart sniffing cult. So, good job on staying ahead of the curb. You sure are "stickin' it to the libs" lol. Your grandchildren must hate you or something, otherwise you wouldn't be arguing politics on a forum for video games.

    By the way, the baseless far right is attempting to impeach Biden right off the bat. It's being spearheaded by the Qanon weirdo who was somehow allowed into congress (y'know, the one who kept giving status updates to rioters during the capitol insurrection). I wish I could say this is just sad, but it's become so sad that it's circled back around to hilarious.
     
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    Well, I was already skeptical that enough jobs (especially well paying jobs) would continuously get replace despite automation becoming more widespread. Guess that goes back to changing how basic needs get met for people.
     
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    It's almost like 80s and 90s sci-fi was right about our robot overlords. :P Oh well. There are many facets automation and AI are incredibly far off from replacing.
     
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    The question is, how long do we got before there simply isn't enough facets to go around?
     
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    I really can't see AI taking over farming or non-descriminatory service jobs any time soon. And what I mean by the latter is that we're very far off from AI determining what is and isn't bank fraud, for example. AI is already being used for this, and it's failing hardcore. Just Google "California EDD fraud" and have fun. Of course, these are just a couple of examples, but until we get on with biotech that can be coupled with AI, we've got a long way to go. Sucks for all the McDonald's burger flippers who are being replaced by some kiosk, but we're also starting to reach "survival of the fittest" territory due to the advancement of technology. Social Darwinism is back, baby. :}
     
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    That was the argument in the 18-19th century when mechanisation displaced large swathes of farmers, so they started burning tractors. Turns out it was a good thing - we've adapted and now produce more food than ever, more than we can eat, in fact. Maybe we should deal with that hurdle once we actually get to it.
     
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    Get rid of Progressive tyranny, for one - protect Conservatives in universities, schools, and the media. Also remove "critical race theory", which is bullshit. Oh, and make it so online accusations (especially anonymous ones) cannot destroy a person's reputation, career, relationships, and life, no matter what the accusation's about - instead, make the would-be accuser go to the police instead for a proper investigation, arrest, and trial.
     
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    why?

    Also why?
     
  11. wartutor

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    Lol I'm not stupid enough to have any dumb ass kids (would have to kill them for turning out as fuckin stupid as this God damn generation) but good try dip shit. BTW your ass is arguing politics on the same damn forum dumb ass. As far as impeaching him good they need to, misusing your power is grounds for impeachment and he fucking did. These higher up fucks need to pay for their crimes just like you damn liberals say Trump needs to pay for his.
     
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    https://ussanews.com/News1/2021/01/...of-conservatives-were-going-to-be-aggressive/
    This, for example. Conservatives are being censored on social media, for no reason other than them not being Progressive.

    https://threader.app/thread/1290479330477240320
    Also, this. Woke university professors are not interested in truth whatsoever, and deconstruct ideas to be able to add racism into it.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...ism-is-rampant-on-campus-and-ruining-academia
    And liberal professors dominate universities, with alarmingly few conservative counterparts to offer a differing opinion.

    https://threader.app/thread/1302913020280975360
    CRT is inherently cynical and pessimistic, claiming 'everything is racist', that white people cannot help other races just because it's a good thing to do, but because they'll get some benefit from it, and there will never be an end to racism. That's inherently incorrect, yet so many people believe in this trash. Worse, believers like to use emotional manipulation to sway people to their side, even though they don't use truth at all.
     
  13. Cryoraptor

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    That touched a nerve didn't it
     
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    ... Apparently the Draft of a Comment I didn't think was worth Posting is stuck, for several hours now.
    So rather than Post that, here is the dire risk Gamification poses on the new Government.



    But seriously, never trust anyone who offers Confidentiality and Crabs.
     
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    Nobody has a clue, everyone is trying to make the most money but not everyone is equipped to be able to protect themselves.

    It's kinda interesting in the states how all these angry people don't want to look after anyone else, but they want their way of life looked after.

    It's all a distraction, we'll end up living like star trek eventually anyway.
     
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    Funny how the people that cried the loudest that we need to shut down our economies to save grandma now can't wait for the obsolete to die.

    Did I just find MovieBob's alt?
     
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    If it makes you happy to think that then fine, but prepare yourself for more disappointment.

    It's more like that white men don't know what it's like to be pulled over all the time just because they bought a nice car & they don't know what it's like to live in fear of being killed by a police man just for walking down the street.

    You are proving the point that you are privileged enough to not understand privilege. You may just lack the self awareness to be able to deal with this.
     
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    wartutor on suicide watch
    that was brutal

    i love how conservatives whine like little bitches, but we're the snowflakes
    "protection" from what? facts? things you've done? gonna need a more compelling argument than "everyone's ganging up on us"
     
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    biden, oh god the end has begun
     
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    Since Joe Biden was sworn in, 8,529 people have died from Covid
     
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