Joe Biden is now officially the 46th President of the United States of America

[tabzer]

The person you are responding to dismisses all evidence as evidence because he is using the word evidence to mean "definite proof" (ie "you can't prove it!") and not in the way it has colloquially been used for beyond the past decade (red flags on red flags and causes for suspicion and doubt). They also believe that a person is an idiot for not believing in the propagandist narrative even if they are %100 correct in their assessment.

tldr: understanding is not an interest.

 

[D34DL1N3R]

I'm more and more convinced that democracts can't read or comprehend anything AT ALL.
I never said mail-in voting is bad or that it's not done in other democracies. I'm pointing out the fact that in any decent democracy with mail-in voting you have to REGISTER to obtain your mail-in ballot, totally different from just seding ballots to everyone you know regardless of their legal status or registration.

Blah blah blah blah blah says the guy using YouTube videos and comments section as their evidence and proof. "OH LOOK!!!! Some completely random guy on YouTube said he received unsolicited ballots!!! MUST BE FACTS!!!!"

Get back to everyone once it's approaching 7 some million fraudulent votes found. Until then, your rants and claims are absolutely pointless. I mean, what is the point of deplorables continuing on with this fraud thing over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over. You guys have anything else to try stealing the election back in your favor? Because I'll tell you this now, it's not going to work. Is voter fraud wrong regardless of how little or how much there was? 100%. Absolutely. Should it be looked into and prevented from happening? Yup. But these continual claims of fraud to the point of the election being stolen are factless and pointless. Give it up already. You're all accomplishing NOTHING.

 

[Acid_Snake]

Blah blah blah blah blah says the guy using YouTube videos and comments section as their evidence and proof. "OH LOOK!!!! Some completely random guy on YouTube said he received unsolicited ballots!!! MUST BE FACTS!!!!"

Blah blah blah blah blah says the guy using Wikipedia articles and comments section as their evidence and proof. "OH LOOK!!!! Some completely random guy on gbatemp said there's no such thing as unsolicited ballots!!! MUST BE FACTS!!!!"

Get back to everyone once it's approaching 7 some million fraudulent votes found. Until then, your rants and claims are absolutely pointless. I mean, what is the point of deplorables continuing on with this fraud thing over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over. You guys have anything else to try stealing the election back in your favor? Because I'll tell you this now, it's not going to work. Is voter fraud wrong regardless of how little or how much there was? 100%. Absolutely. Should it be looked into and prevented from happening? Yup. But these continual claims of fraud to the point of the election being stolen are factless and pointless. Give it up already. You're all accomplishing NOTHING.

Get back to everyone once it's approaching 7 some million Russian-interfered votes found. Until then, your rants and claims are absolutely pointless. I mean, what is the point of deplorables continuing on with this Russian intervention thing over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over. You guys have anything else to try stealing the election back in your favor? Because I'll tell you this now, it's not going to work. Is Russian intervention wrong regardless of how little or how much there was? 100%. Absolutely. Should it be looked into and prevented from happening? Yup. But these continual claims of Russian intervention to the point of the election being stolen are factless and pointless. Give it up already. You're all accomplishing NOTHING.


And this is why everyone says all you democrats are the biggest hypocrites ever.

 

[Lacius]

again, define widespread. Numbers? Area? How about the entire country? https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud

Widespread means "found or distributed over a large area or number of people." If it doesn't even come close to tipping the election (<99.9992% of votes, for example), it's not widespread by any reasonable definition of the word.

The Heritage Foundation database undermines any case that widespread voter fraud is a real thing, so thank you. In fact, my <99.9992% number comes from if we assume everything the conservative Heritage Foundation reports is true.

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/heritage-fraud-database-assessment

There is no evidence at all for widespread voter fraud, and in any way widespread fraud could have reasonably been debunked, it has been debunked.

I'm more and more convinced that democracts can't read or comprehend anything AT ALL.
I never said mail-in voting is bad or that it's not done in other democracies. I'm pointing out the fact that in any decent democracy with mail-in voting you have to REGISTER to obtain your mail-in ballot, totally different from just seding ballots to everyone you know regardless of their legal status or registration.


As much serious as Biden is when dropping bombs. Since when in a democracy listening to people's comments is bad? Oh right, you people don't want democracy, you just want to always win.

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Yeah, this proves you democracts have the reading comprehension of a potato. To quote myself:

When did I deny Russian intervention again?

Also, using your own logic: Whether or not mail-in ballots were filtered and unregistered users were dropped is irrelevant to the fact that mail-in ballots were sent en-mass to unregistered and ilegal voters without any check in place.This would never happen in a healthy democracy.
Now I want to see what mental gymnastics you come up with against your own logic.

First, this "Democrats can't read" hyperbole only makes you look hostile and desperate, but I suppose it's easy for us to be calm, cool, and collected when we have the facts on our side.

You argued there was no evidence for Russian meddling in the 2016 election. You were factually wrong.

If you can spend 4 years talking about Russian intervention in the elections (WITHOUT any evidence or reason)

As for your ramblings about mail-in votes, please come back when you can provide any evidence for mail-in voter fraud. Telling me someone had a ballot who shouldn't have had a ballot doesn't demonstrate anybody voted illegally, let alone that any illegal voting happened on a widespread level that could have potentially tipped the election.

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The person you are responding to dismisses all evidence as evidence because he is using the word evidence to mean "definite proof" (ie "you can't prove it!") and not in the way it has colloquially been used for beyond the past decade (red flags on red flags and causes for suspicion and doubt). They also believe that a person is an idiot for not believing in the propagandist narrative even if they are %100 correct in their assessment.

tldr: understanding is not an interest.

I'm not asking for absolute proof. I'm asking for evidence that demonstrates a claim. I don't appear to be the one who doesn't understand the difference.

I didn't say a person is an idiot for not believing a specific narrative. I didn't even say a person was an idiot for having idiotic beliefs. I said it is idiotic, by definition, to believe a claim despite no evidence or sound reason to think that claim is true. Are you telling me it's reasonable to hold a position that's unreasonable?

 

[Acid_Snake]

First, this "Democrats can't read" hyperbole only makes you look hostile and desperate, but I suppose it's easy for us to be calm, cool, and collected when we have the facts on our side.

Yeah because democrats don't burn down whole cities, cancel everyone on social media, force their ideals into mainstream media and culture, insult everyone else with names like "racist", "sexist", "homophobe" while at the same time pushing the idea that if you are "white", "male" and/or "heterosexual" you are , by default, an oppressor and an evil that needs to be purged.
Sure thing buddy, you guys are the prime example of "calm", "peaceful" and "tolerant".

You argued there was no evidence for Russian meddling in the 2016 election. You were factually wrong.

Is it so hard to read what I have wrote? Or are you just trying to force words that I never said to push your view?
What is it exactly that you don't understand from this quote of mine
"One thing is Putin pulling his strings and propaganda machine to try to favor a candidate of a foreign country (yes, he does this, he does it to everyone, and so does your goverment, get over it)"

Oh right, you, purposedly omitted this and refrained from replaying to this because you know it makes your message wrong, and there's no such thing as being "wrong" when it comes to you people. Anything that goes against your imaginary world must be ignored and/or removed from existence.

To make it simple for you: I NEVER said that Russians didn't interfere, as a matter of FACT I said that they do (and they do it to lots other countries, and your contry also does it to lots others). What I DID say is that there's no LINK between RUSSIA and TRUMP.

Do I really need to highlight parts of my message so you can understand it better? That just shows lack of reading comprehension to me. Either that or you are willingly ignoring the parts of my message that go against your flawed points.

 

[Lacius]

Yeah because democrats don't burn down whole cities, cancel everyone on social media, force their ideals into mainstream media and culture, insult everyone else with names like "racist", "sexist", "homophobe" while at the same time pushing the idea that if you are "white", "male" and/or "heterosexual" you are , by default, an oppressor and an evil that needs to be purged.
Sure thing buddy, you guys are the prime example of "calm", "peaceful" and "tolerant".


Is it so hard to read what I have wrote? Or are you just trying to force words that I never said to push your view?
What is it exactly that you don't understand from this quote of mine
"One thing is Putin pulling his strings and propaganda machine to try to favor a candidate of a foreign country (yes, he does this, he does it to everyone, and so does your goverment, get over it)"

Oh right, you, purposedly omitted this and refrained from replaying to this because you know it makes your message wrong, and there's no such thing as being "wrong" when it comes to you people. Anything that goes against your imaginary world must be ignored and/or removed from existence.

To make it simple for you: I NEVER said that Russians didn't interfere, as a matter of FACT I said that they do (and they do it to lots other countries, and your contry also does it to lots others). What I DID say is that there's no LINK between RUSSIA and TRUMP.

Do I really need to highlight parts of my message so you can understand it better? That just shows lack of reading comprehension to me. Either that or you are willingly ignoring the parts of my message that go against your flawed points.

The actions of others, whoever they are or whatever they've done, don't change anything about what I've said about your behavior vs. mine. I suggest to take a step and cool off before coming back to post a response. This "Democrats can't read" hyperbole and this "Democrats want to purge anyone who is white, male, or heterosexual" nonsense does nothing to serve your interests. Respectfully, it only serves to embarrass yourself.

Your statements agreeing Russian meddling took place came after my correction of your factually wrong statement that there's no evidence of Russian meddling, so I will take that as a concession on your part. Thank you.

 

[Acid_Snake]

The actions of others, whoever they are or whatever they've done, don't change anything about what I've said about your behavior vs. mine. I suggest to take a step and cool off before coming back to post a response. This "Democrats can't read" hyperbole and this "Democrats want to purge anyone who is white, male, or heterosexual" nonsense does nothing to serve your interests. Respectfully, it only serves to embarrass yourself.

Alright I take it back, you're right that it was too aggressive.

Your statements agreeing Russian meddling took place came after my correction of your factually wrong statement that there's no evidence of Russian meddling, so I will take that as a concession on your part. Thank you.

No you are not respossible for my statements, I am, and I already know about Russian propaganda way before even knowing this thread existed, so don't try to put on a medal that you don't deserve. The Russians intervening in other countries is cold war knowledge, not exactly rocket science, the only thing new here is that it actually intervened in the US, and it's not exactly an accomplishment in today's social media world where anyone with decent followers can influence on elections (except right wings who usually get cancelled, but that's another topic).

 

[Lacius]

Alright I take it back, you're right that it was too aggressive.


No you are not respossible for my statements, I am, and I already know about Russian propaganda way before even knowing this thread existed, so don't try to put on a medal that you don't deserve. The Russians intervening in other countries is cold war knowledge, not exactly rocket science, the only thing new here is that it actually intervened in the US, and it's not exactly an accomplishment in today's social media world where anyone with decent followers can influence on elections (except right wings who usually get cancelled, but that's another topic).

You argued there was no evidence of Russian election meddling. You were objectively and provably mistaken. Anything else you believed but kept from us in that moment is irrelevant.

 

[Acid_Snake]

You argued there was no evidence of Russian election meddling. You were objectively and provably mistaken. Anything else you believed but kept from us in that moment is irrelevant.

You still saying this when it's not true, I said there's no evidence of Trump having anything to do with Russian interference (and even then I'm not saying he didn't, I actually do believe that he did, but there's no way to actually prove it, for now).

And at the same time, I'm not even saying Biden won ilegally (tbh it was easy for him to win if you look at how Trump acted for the most part of 2020), I'm just saying that many irregularities existed and one of them was the fact that mail-in ballots were sent out without any sort of registration or control (even IF control was later made when actually counting the ballots).

In summary: BOTH things expose issues with the democratic elections in the US and BOTH must be mitigated as much as possible so they BOTH don't happen again. BUT, while I do think they both had a big share of influence, I also think they didn't really changed the outcome of either elections, just made that outcome more "certain", which is not a good sign of a healthy democracy.

 

[Lacius]

You still saying this when it's not true, I said there's no evidence of Trump having anything to do with Russian interference

I don't remember you mentioning Trump in your first post, and I don't remember mentioning Trump in my response to your post, so please don't move the goalposts. It's desperate. Thank you.

In summary: BOTH things expose issues with the democratic elections in the US and BOTH must be mitigated as much as possible so they BOTH don't happen again. BUT, while I do think they both had a big share of influence, I also think they didn't really changed the outcome of either elections, just made that outcome more "certain", which is not a good sign of a healthy democracy.

There's no evidence the 2020 election, including mail-in voting, was anything other than fair and secure. We already have mitigations against voter fraud in place.

I like that you are a proponent of mitigating against foreign election interference. I wish Trump and the Republicans felt the same way.

 

[Acid_Snake]

There's no evidence the 2020 election, including mail-in voting, was anything other than fair and secure.

There's evidence of many irregularities, enough to cause for alarm and work on improving. There's a difference between attempting fraud and succeeding, hopefully the US has a good enough system such that most frauds did not succeed. As I said, the elected president is most likely legal, but attempts were made at securing the election results, and that needs to be mitigated.
The simple fact that ballots were sent without verification to all the population regardless of their ability to vote is already an opened door for fraud, even if most of it doesn't succeed, it still gives it a chance, a much higher chance than before, and that must be stopped.

 

[Lacius]

There's evidence of many irregularities, enough to cause for alarm and work on improving. There's a difference between attempting fraud and succeeding, hopefully the US has a good enough system such that most frauds did not succeed. As I said, the elected president is most likely legal, but attempts were made at securing the election results, and that needs to be mitigated.
The simple fact that ballots were sent without verification to all the population regardless of their ability to vote is already an opened door for fraud, even if most of it doesn't succeed, it still gives it a chance, a much higher chance than before, and that must be stopped.

Using your own conservation resource for data, there have been 1,317 instances of voter fraud. I originally thought this was out of the 2020 presidential election, but this is actually all of the known voter fraud going as far back as 1993 in some cases. Of these 1,317 instances of voter fraud, 1,134 resulted in criminal convictions. I'm not sure what you want. These numbers demonstrate the elections are safe and secure (1,317 instances of voter fraud country-wide over nearly 30 years is ridiculously small), they demonstrate mitigation strategies work, and they demonstrate that people are caught and prosecuted appropriately. I really don't know what more you want.

I do not see how any reasonable person can look at the resource you provided and unironically say "this is cause for alarm."

 

[D34DL1N3R]

Blah blah blah blah blah says the guy using Wikipedia articles and comments section as their evidence and proof. "OH LOOK!!!! Some completely random guy on gbatemp said there's no such thing as unsolicited ballots!!! MUST BE FACTS!!!!"


Get back to everyone once it's approaching 7 some million Russian-interfered votes found. Until then, your rants and claims are absolutely pointless. I mean, what is the point of deplorables continuing on with this Russian intervention thing over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over. You guys have anything else to try stealing the election back in your favor? Because I'll tell you this now, it's not going to work. Is Russian intervention wrong regardless of how little or how much there was? 100%. Absolutely. Should it be looked into and prevented from happening? Yup. But these continual claims of Russian intervention to the point of the election being stolen are factless and pointless. Give it up already. You're all accomplishing NOTHING.


And this is why everyone says all you democrats are the biggest hypocrites ever.

I see what you did there. I can't even say good effort.

 

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[Xzi]

I'm pointing out the fact that in any decent democracy with mail-in voting you have to REGISTER to obtain your mail-in ballot

That's uhh...also how it works in the US. You don't receive a ballot by mail unless you're registered and request it. If you go to try to vote in person without registering, they'll either give you a provisional ballot or just give you the boot. A number of states have same-day registration, but far from all of them.

 

[Seliph]

Bugsnax

 

[KingVamp]

That's uhh...also how it works in the US. You don't receive a ballot by mail unless you're registered and request it. If you go to try to vote in person without registering, they'll either give you a provisional ballot or just give you the boot. A number of states have same-day registration, but far from all of them.

Even automatic registration would still look for information regarding someone's citizenship.

 

[chrisrlink]

this is why i want to leave the US grant it every country is corrupt to some degree but the US under republican control especially with Trump could make Nazi Germany look like childs play

 

[chrisrlink]

Using your own conservation resource for data, there have been 1,317 instances of voter fraud. I originally thought this was out of the 2020 presidential election, but this is actually all of the known voter fraud going as far back as 1993 in some cases. Of these 1,317 instances of voter fraud, 1,134 resulted in criminal convictions. I'm not sure what you want. These numbers demonstrate the elections are safe and secure (1,317 instances of voter fraud country-wide over nearly 30 years is ridiculously small), they demonstrate mitigation strategies work, and they demonstrate that people are caught and prosecuted appropriately. I really don't know what more you want.

I do not see how any reasonable person can look at the resource you provided and unironically say "this is cause for alarm."

yeah and i bet can guess if we could open up those indictments/votes that were fraudulant the majority would be for republican candidates

 

[Lacius]

yeah and i bet can guess if we could open up those indictments/votes that were fraudulant the majority would be for republican candidates

That seems to be the trend in some states, yes.