Joe Biden is now officially the 46th President of the United States of America

[urherenow]

If you don't mind me asking, in which state are you registered to vote?

Florida.

Spent 24 years in the military, voting absentee the whole time. Been in Japan the last couple of years since retiring, still voting absentee.

 

[D34DL1N3R]

Please check the comments, it's not just one or two people, but many having received illegal ballots for dead family members and even pets.

That's hilarious. "Please read YouTube comment section for factual proof of fraud". Lmfao. Are you fucking serious?

 

[Lacius]

Florida.

Spent 24 years in the military, voting absentee the whole time. Been in Japan the last couple of years since retiring, still voting absentee.

Florida only sends ballots to those who request them, a ballot request requires providing information that proves you're legally registered to vote there, the signature on the ballot is matched with the registration of the person who requested it, and the ballot or envelope has a security bar code that identifies it as belonging to the person who successfully requested it. There's no evidence of widespread voter fraud in Florida or anywhere else, and there are security measures in place to prevent it.

It should also be noted Trump won Florida.

 

[urherenow]

Florida only sends ballots to those who request them, a ballot request requires providing information that proves you're legally registered to vote there, the signature on the ballot is matched with the registration of the person who requested it, and the ballot or envelope has a security bar code that identifies it as belonging to the person who successfully requested it. There's no evidence of widespread voter fraud in Florida or anywhere else, and there are security measures in place to prevent it.

It should also be noted Trump won Florida.

Yep. He won Florida (barely). And you pointed out all of the measures, such as not sending millions of unsolicited ballots. That wasn't the case everywhere. And you can stop parroting the same shit on every post, which is the same shit leftist media regurgitates over and over. Hundreds and hundreds of "fact checks" on Snopes and the like that point out voter fraud, ballots being thrown in the trash, and marking memes about these cases as false, because the meme would say something like 65,000 envelopes, but the person in the case was only charged for 17,000... BS numbers but I Can't be bothered to look them all up (again) and provide all of the readily available links to someone who has so clearly made up their mind.

And do note that if unsolicited ballots would have been sent, none of the measures Florida does for validation work. At all. Again, I only sign a cover sheet after voting.

Oh, and just look at Google now. a Quick search for "charged with throwing ballots in the trash" brings up results that are front-loaded with a few super small cases (100, down to 1) that are dated October and November. Funny how these didn't appear in searches during or even immediately after the election, right? So how many votes have to be interfered with to cause you concern? What is the magic number to call it "widespread" because those several small cases that appear easily now, cover a few different states... New Jersey, Pittsburg Pennsylvania , Kentucky, etc...

Forget pulling hairs and the use of "wide-spread" and just concede that there WAS interference and fraud, and it WAS a result of the mail-in voting that was done. Every vote counts, right?

 

[Lacius]

Yep. He won Florida (barely). And you pointed out all of the measures, such as not sending millions of unsolicited ballots. That wasn't the case everywhere. And you can stop parroting the same shit on every post, which is the same shit leftist media regurgitates over and over. Hundreds and hundreds of "fact checks" on Snopes and the like that point out voter fraud, ballots being thrown in the trash, and marking memes about these cases as false, because the meme would say something like 65,000 envelopes, but the person in the case was only charged for 17,000... BS numbers but I Can't be bothered to look them all up (again) and provide all of the readily available links to someone who has so clearly made up their mind.

And do note that if unsolicited ballots would have been sent, none of the measures Florida does for validation work. At all. Again, I only sign a cover sheet after voting.

Oh, and just look at Google now. a Quick search for "charged with throwing ballots in the trash" brings up a few super small cases (100, down to 1) that are dated October and November. Funny how these didn't appear in searches during or even immediately after the election, right? So how many votes have to be interfered with to cause you concern? What is the magic number to call it "widespread" because those several small cases that appear easily now, cover a few different states... New Jersey, Pittsburg Pennsylvania , Kentucky, etc...

Forget pulling hairs and the use of "wide-spread" and just concede that there WAS interference and fraud, and it WAS a result of the mail-in voting that was done. Every vote counts, right?

If there's evidence of widespread voter fraud, please present it.

There were some isolated instances of fraud, but there weren't many (last I checked, something like 24 were referred for criminal prosecution in Georgia, for example), many were pro-Trump, they have no bearing on whether or not mail-in voting is secure (it is), and they have no bearing on who won the election (Biden won). In short, a few isolated instances of voter fraud are inconsequential. I never made the argument that fraud doesn't happen.

 

[urherenow]

There were some isolated instances of fraud, but there weren't many

With that there's nothing left to say. Every vote counts... unless your guy wins?

Have fun with that.

 

[Lacius]

With that there's nothing left to say. Every vote counts... unless your guy wins?

Have fun with that.

Every vote should count. I wholeheartedly condemn voter fraud. For that reason, I also wholeheartedly condemn the electoral college. Please do not put words in my mouth. It's desperate.

However, there is no evidence of widespread voter fraud in the 2020 election, and there's no evidence for any more voter fraud in 2020 than in any other year. Biden won the election, fair and square.

 

[Xzi]

it still doesn't change the fact that an election like this one has never been done like this in any known and sane democracy.

Lol, mail-in voting is probably the most common method among first-world countries. Hell, even a number of states have been doing universal mail-in ballots since about the year 2000. And the military was using mail-in ballots even before that.

Then the question becomes: are you really against mail-in ballots, or are you just against more people having access to voting in general? I'd be fine with dropping mail-in ballots almost entirely, IF we make election day a federal holiday. Otherwise, fighting against mail-in ballots is just another roundabout method of suppressing and disenfranchising voters.

 

[KingVamp]

I'd be fine with dropping mail-in ballots almost entirely, IF we make election day a federal holiday.

Why not both?

 

[Xzi]

Why not both?

No reason we shouldn't have both, but given that Republicans are now dead-set on reducing/eliminating mail-in voting, I was speaking more from a standpoint of negotiation.

Hopefully Dems do enough over the next four years to strengthen voting rights and expand access, because Republicans started pushing more gerrymandering and disenfranchising tactics as soon as the election was over. Especially on the state level.

 

[chrisrlink]

No reason we shouldn't have both, but given that Republicans are now dead-set on reducing/eliminating mail-in voting, I was speaking more from a standpoint of negotiation.

Hopefully Dems do enough over the next four years to strengthen voting rights and expand access, because Republicans started pushing more gerrymandering and disenfranchising tactics as soon as the election was over. Especially on the state level.

gerrymandering shouldn't be legal in the first place (but it's saddly is) just because rep are at a disadvantage statically doesn't mean they can move the goal post in their favor if it wasn't for the SCOTUS being red practicly I would say biden should EO a Gerrymandering ban on/by both parties and urge all states to do the same

 

[Hanafuda]

However, there is no evidence of widespread voter fraud in the 2020 election, and there's no evidence for any more voter fraud in 2020 than in any other year. Biden won the election, fair and square.

The first sentence does not prove the second, but in practical terms it does settle it. It's not worth debating at this point, and that's not why I'm replying. But you've dropped that phrase like a bomb throughout this thread and I've been watching Democrats use it like a shield since November (modified to add 'widespread' once some evidence did turn up): "there is no evidence of widespread voter fraud."

So let's just qualify that with another true statement: an absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

 

[Lacius]

The first sentence does not prove the second, but in practical terms it does settle it. It's not worth debating at this point, and that's not why I'm replying. But you've dropped that phrase like a bomb throughout this thread and I've been watching Democrats use it like a shield since November (modified to add 'widespread' once some evidence did turn up): "there is no evidence of widespread voter fraud."

So let's just qualify that with another true statement: an absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

In every way widespread voter fraud in 2020 can be reasonably debunked, it has been debunked. Regardless, it is ridiculous to believe a claim, like widespread voter fraud, until there is evidence of widespread voter fraud.

Please do not act like widespread voter fraud is anything other than debunked conspiratorial nonsense. Thank you.

 

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[Hanafuda]

In every way widespread voter fraud in 2020 can be reasonably debunked, it has been debunked. Regardless, it is ridiculous to believe a claim, like widespread voter fraud, until there is evidence of widespread voter fraud.

Please do not act like widespread voter fraud is anything other than debunked conspiratorial nonsense. Thank you.

My concerns are with respect to the election laws that were changed by executive branch action in a number of States without legislative involvement or approval. That's a little different from "voter fraud." More like "rigging in daylight." But, it's done and even if someone has the balls to say those changes were unconstitutional and illegal (as a Michigan judge did a few days ago wrt: the Secretary of State there) there's no going back and fixing what was done.

 

[Lacius]

My concerns are with respect to the election laws that were changed by executive branch action in a number of States without legislative involvement or approval. That's a little different from "voter fraud." More like "rigging in daylight." But, it's done and even if someone has the balls to say those changes were unconstitutional and illegal (as a Michigan judge did a few days ago wrt: the Secretary of State there) there's no going back and fixing what was done.

Making voting accessible in a pandemic, whether or not you think it was done legally or constitutionally, is not rigging nor fraud. Questions of constitutionality are a separate issue.

 

[Xzi]

My concerns are with respect to the election laws that were changed by executive branch action in a number of States without legislative involvement or approval.

Big shocker, any state legislature that was split evenly or controlled by Rs decided to sandbag the process of approving much-needed changes in the year of COVID.

That's a little different from "voter fraud." More like "rigging in daylight."

You're right, they rigged it in broad daylight by getting more people to vote for them and support their policies/platforms. What a novel concept. /s

Seriously though, Dems' GOTV efforts were much stronger than Republicans' voter suppression efforts this time around, that's all it came down to. Mail-in ballots helped, but many states already had them, and there's no guarantee Biden would've lost even without expanded access to them. Trump's piss-poor handling of the coronavirus was more than enough to drive record turnout all on its own.

 

[urherenow]

Every vote should count. I wholeheartedly condemn voter fraud. For that reason, I also wholeheartedly condemn the electoral college. Please do not put words in my mouth. It's desperate.

However, there is no evidence of widespread voter fraud in the 2020 election, and there's no evidence for any more voter fraud in 2020 than in any other year. Biden won the election, fair and square.

again, define widespread. Numbers? Area? How about the entire country? https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud

 

[Deleted User]

again, define widespread. Numbers? Area? How about the entire country? https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud

https://www.cisa.gov/news/2020/11/1...ture-government-coordinating-council-election
How about we listen to our very own goverment for that one chief.
"The November 3rd election was the most secure in American history. Right now, across the country, election officials are reviewing and double checking the entire election process prior to finalizing the result."
this statement was made back on November 12th. If your going to push baseless conspiracy of a "entire country" the burden of proof is really going to be on you.
Because not only would you have to go prove that there was widespread voter fraud. Proving somehow the very agency that is supposed to look into election integrity is somehow wrong.
But even then. the numbers on that you just provided, STILL wouldn't overturn the election!
biden won by 7,060,140 votes. Not a thousand. 7 MILLION. Which probably would be a bit less considering gerrymandering (because electoral collage is garbage)
While that website you just linked, is claiming that there is 1,317 proven cases. That is FAR from widespread considering the total amount of votes was 155,506,056 for both candidates, and that "fraud" number (I put in air quotes since there is no sources for where this number was pulled from)
no where near enough to be a table turner.
(oh and this is also assuming that those 1,317 cases all voted democrat.Which by the power of probability is astronomically unreal.)
to put this in perspective.
if we took both primary parties and pretended that was somehow of all the people that voted. (this is exuding third parties) and figured out the rate of fraud or total votes divided by "fraud" it would be 0.000008469123543330042% of them being fraudulent.


yeah, that's astronomically tiny, and it would be even smaller considering third parties and written in ballets.
Perhaps maybe do the math next time. And maybe bring a clown nose while your at it.
this has been long debunked.

 

[Acid_Snake]

Lol, mail-in voting is probably the most common method among first-world countries. Hell, even a number of states have been doing universal mail-in ballots since about the year 2000. And the military was using mail-in ballots even before that.

Then the question becomes: are you really against mail-in ballots, or are you just against more people having access to voting in general? I'd be fine with dropping mail-in ballots almost entirely, IF we make election day a federal holiday. Otherwise, fighting against mail-in ballots is just another roundabout method of suppressing and disenfranchising voters.

I'm more and more convinced that democracts can't read or comprehend anything AT ALL.
I never said mail-in voting is bad or that it's not done in other democracies. I'm pointing out the fact that in any decent democracy with mail-in voting you have to REGISTER to obtain your mail-in ballot, totally different from just seding ballots to everyone you know regardless of their legal status or registration.

That's hilarious. "Please read YouTube comment section for factual proof of fraud". Lmfao. Are you fucking serious?

As much serious as Biden is when dropping bombs. Since when in a democracy listening to people's comments is bad? Oh right, you people don't want democracy, you just want to always win.

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As I already said, Russia demonstrably meddled in the 2016 and 2020 elections. Whether or not Trump colluded with Russia is irrelevant to the fact that you were wrong when you said they didn't.

Yeah, this proves you democracts have the reading comprehension of a potato. To quote myself:

One thing is Putin pulling his strings and propaganda machine to try to favor a candidate of a foreign country (yes, he does this, he does it to everyone, and so does your goverment, get over it)

When did I deny Russian intervention again?

Also, using your own logic: Whether or not mail-in ballots were filtered and unregistered users were dropped is irrelevant to the fact that mail-in ballots were sent en-mass to unregistered and ilegal voters without any check in place.This would never happen in a healthy democracy.
Now I want to see what mental gymnastics you come up with against your own logic.