1. Xzi

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    Yes, I too remember Trump saying a lot of stuff, and then contradicting himself not long after. And the "unneeded expenses" he and Republicans refer to is money that doesn't go straight to corporations. This bill passed 50-49 in the Senate, with one Republican absent. Disregard what they say, watch how they vote.
     
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    I think you might not know what you are talking about. Here is exactly what he said about the 2nd covid package.

     
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    The fact of the matter is that the House Democrats would have passed a $2,000 COVID-19 relief package if the Republicans in the Senate (and Trump, who said nothing about $2,000 until after the $600 package had already passed the House and Senate) had agreed to it.

    Please don't act like the relief package would have been more at the end of Trump's presidency if only the Democrats had wanted more. Republicans were the limiters.

    Meanwhile, the current relief package received zero Republican votes and would have been dead from a Republican filibuster if not for reconciliation. The Democrats are to thank, not the Republicans.
     
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    the democrats had the majority in the house after the midterm election, not the republicans
    That deal was offered in july while it was undergoing phase 1 trials, the vaccine was not proven to be safe or effective at the time. There were also 6 different companies that the govt was equally invested in. That being said I do think it was a mistake not to secure those in the case it was proven to safe and effective. Another fact is those extra vaccines were slated for delivery starting sometime during Q2 2021, it would have had 0 effect on current vaccine deployment.
    And nancy pelosi was the main problem in not getting any relief bill passed, even cnn's wolf blizter called her out on it, because she didnt want to give trump "a win" before the election

     
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    Uhhh .. not exactly. And this was reported by WaPo on December 17. Everyone knew where Trump stood, Senate Republicans wouldn't go for it, and nobody was surprised when he came out the day after they passed the $600/person bill (Dec 20) and took a big shit on it.

    From December 17
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2020/12/17/trump-2000-stimulus-checks/

    From December 18
    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/apparently-trump-wants-2-000-194403812.html
     
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    Dude could say whatever the fuck he wanted to because Mitch McConnell was his safety valve. The Senate was a graveyard of thousands of bills that never even got a vote over the last four years. It was just an overly-complicated, roundabout method of lying.
     
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    These articles don't contradict anything I said. The former president never said anything about $2,000 checks, nor did he attempt to negotiate for $2,000 checks, regardless of what he was communicating privately with aides.

    What happened was he waited for the bill to pass the House and Senate before he ever brought up $2,000, and he waited until then to threaten to not sign the bill into law without $2,000. Almost a week later, he signed it into law anyway. It was a level of fecklessness on display that we all came to expect from the former president.

    Regardless, it's the Republican Party that limited it to $600, and it's the Republican Party that unanimously voted against another relief package.
     
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    Seriously, fuck the talibangelists.
     
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    1) the $1400 ain't helping shit. We need a better plan if we are to keep millions of Americans from losing everything thanks to the government shut down of freedom. When the banks come asking for their money, 1400 just ain't gonna cut it. But, its not like I dont see utterly stupid shit everyday in our current society.

    2) personally, I do not think it is right for tax payers to pay for murder. Now all of us will have blood on our hands. The bottom line is most women aren't getting abortions because they were raped, but instead are using it as a form of birth control. From the many people I know who got abortions, none of those human lifes were the fault of anyone else other than the mother. But I am just speaking from personal experience. If you want to get into Roe v Wade, well the simple fact of the the matter was that whole case was based on a lie.
     
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    That's why I said, "not exactly," and that "everyone knew where Trump stood." He apparently did have contact with Congressional Republicans to urge a larger relief package, but they rejected his requests saying it would explode the negotiations. They were probably right, but if it got out to the Washington Post and Yahoo Finance to report it, days before the final vote on the bill, then it wasn't a secret - not to those who were going to vote on it. I understand what you're saying that he didn't get out in public and stump for it, but it's not accurate to claim he did nothing about it until after Congress voted. And it was a deal made in and passed by Congress, which means Democrats agreed to it too.
     
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    I agree, but getting just that passed, and even with limitations on it, was like pulling teeth for both Republicans and moderate Democrats. Anything more, especially the idea of monthly payments, they'll decry as "socialism." That doesn't mean we'll stop trying though, and Bernie is not gonna drop the $15/minimum wage debate, either.

    Ridiculous. This is like saying we all have blood on our hands from every patient that has been lost by an American doctor. Concern yourself with your own sexual and reproductive choices, not those of others. You aren't 16th century French royalty or some shit.

    LMAO yeah, dudes never get too drunk or horny and make mistakes that they later regret. Thanks for the laugh. :rofl2:
     
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    the worst part about a world where any changes that remove paywalls on literal existence are called socialism as a snarl word... is that it ruins any possibility of getting remotely close to ACTUAL socialism

    also, considering the guy he's supported, I'm not in the slightest bit surprised that tthousand is in favor of forcing personal demands onto women's bodies for little reason other than need of sexist control :rofl:
     
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    Learn how to read. Notice how I said, "the people I know"?

    And when your tax dollars are going to pay for murder, and you are fine with that, then yeah, the blood is in your hands.

    And furthermore, unless you have a child, what the fuck do you know? :rofl2:

    Its okay...I would not expect you guys to know the first thing about women.

    ...

    It is really no surprise that Biden is all for killing babies in a world where nothing move but the money. There is a huge market in dead fetuses.

    ...

    And on the subject of covid relief. The government should find a way to give people what they basically stole from them so they dont end up on the streets... but again, where is the profit in that?

    ...

    Speaking of the Chinese virus... I can only assume many Americans are naive enough to think it was just an accident that was released into the wild. These are the 2020's, where the new game is biological warfare, cyber warfare, and psychological warfare. But sure... its just coincidence China had enough time to scrub the scene clean before it could be looked into futher.
     
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    Yep, I have one for a snack every afternoon. :rolleyes:

    Seriously though, this is Rupert Murdoch-style propaganda cranked up to the max. I thought you were supposedly a "free thinker," not a Fox News boomer.
     
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    As I already said:

    Regardless, it's the Republican Party that limited it to $600, and it's the Republican Party that unanimously voted against another relief package.

    1. Abortion is not murder. It's the termination of a pregnancy.
    2. Embryos are not babies.
    3. Fetuses are not babies.
    4. It is already against the law for tax dollars to go to abortion.
    5. There is no evidence that SARS-CoV-2 was human-made in a laboratory and released on purpose.
    6. Considering the United States makes up about 4% of the world population but about 25% of COVID-19 deaths, the absolutely terrible handling of the pandemic by the federal government and the previous administration, and the fact that a good number of conservative boneheads in this country refuse to wear masks and get vaccinated, it should really be called the American Virus.
    Do you not qualify for the $1,400?

    The relief bill has a lot more than the $1,400 stimulus checks (which should have been higher). It extends unemployment, dramatically increases the child tax credit, etc.

    There is no reason why abortion should be illegal, regardless of whether or not a woman became pregnant as a result of nonconsensual sex, and Roe v. Wade was not "based on a lie."
     
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    The Hyde Amendment seem to not have made it. Is there another law about this?
     
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    Abortion is killing of human life. That's legal in some forms, like in places where death penalty is allowed--so it being "not murder" is a political/statist position. Dehumanizing the life is just a necessary step in that process. Morally and conventionally it is a different story. Saying there is no reason for abortion to be illegal makes it sound recreational.

    As for taxes, the "the money was never yours" argument is a popular rationalization. However, if everyone felt more accountable for how the money was used, maybe we'd be in a better condition.

    As for pointing fingers over Covid, why does Cuomo not get an honorable mention?
     
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