1. Hanafuda

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    Wait a minute. Neo-Nazi's, as you call them, bear little resemblance or commonality with the Nazi Party that controlled Germany from 1933-45. The punks who get that label these days are trash racist morons with little to no ideological understanding of Hitler et al's Nationalist Socialism. But you're still gonna call them Nazis, because you don't want to let them get out of being called Nazis?

    But Communist China, because there are some distinctions you can make in recent developments/deviations from an economic structure that could be called truly communist ... you want people to correct themselves and stop using the word 'communist' to refer to them, even if they still use it themselves?

    Actually what I found most interesting was that your description of why China isn't really communist ... "There is a owner class (the CEO) and the working class (people below) it's just that with china if the government wants something from a business they can outright force them to do it." ... now that sounds like Nazis!!! And they've even got ethnic-based slave labor camps!


    Anyway, guess what I'm trying to say is both the Republican and Democrat hoi polloi are a little too prone to throw the words "Nazi" and "Communist" around these days, without much appreciation for the gravity of the label. Hanging these names on Proud Boys or Antifa street rabble is ridiculous.
     
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    What is there to understand? "National Socialism" was just a bullshit name slapped on what is objectively ethnofascism- an ideology that these racist morons certainly grasp.
     
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    That's not very recent, china's been state capitalist since 1990, many people have realized that there is enough of a change that it is no longer remotely communist.(which you clearly didn't want to respond to), in my explanation I do explain that communism means stateless and classless (unless your going for Stalinism, aka strong state but classless, aka what the USSR was.Which I'm no fan of either. Needs to be democratic, get the dictators out pls) The fact there is classes renders it immediately void of being communist.
    There's a point when one thing becomes another.
    Proud boys yes, many of the members actually do tick the check box, and or have actively stated they are Neo-Nazi's on parlor. Antifa? Oh yeah no that's bs. Nazi's and Anti fascists(antifa full name) are at fundamental odds against each other. Nazi's generally speaking support fascism. And I can pretty much prove that proudboys are neo-nazi's and also therefore support fascism (they go since Proud boys where there at the insurrection along with many other alt-right groups and stormed the building. Part of fascism is supporting a ultra nationalistic authoritarian, this means a dictatorship)
    Meanwhile antifa generally speaking are on the anarchist side of political ideologies, so when a authoritarian or a group of people is threatening to put a authoritarian in place (or systematic oppression of a group of individuals, and that's because fascism ends up being self destructive as there has to be a in group and out group for it to work, which means a shrinking pool of people they have to marginalize) Antifa or anti fascists get really riled up, since that goes 100% against their political compass.
    In other words, antifa/anti fascists don't show up until there is a fascist around or someone supporting a fascist ideology. It's a knee jerk reaction.
     
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    Just FWIW I wasn't suggesting Antifa had anything to do with Nazis, if that's what you thought I meant. I know about Antifaschistische Aktion in the 30's, I know the two flags on the Antifa flag mean socialists and communists together, etc. Just like a lot of leftists are calling Proud Boys "Nazis", people on the right are calling Antifa "Communists," probably in-part due to that historical alignment with the USSR. And Antifa in the US today does even call itself a Marxist-aligned movement. But I agree with you, they're really more anarchist. Real Marxists are fine with the authoritarian governmental boot, as long as its their boot.
     
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    I mean... you're half right.
    On one hand, yeah. If anything, they're anarchist.
    On the other hand, there isn't really a "they" in the present day. It's not an organization so much as it is an ideology, and the closest thing there is to an antifa organization nowadays that's actually linked to the stuff it's blamed for is just "the subset of anti-fascists that are willing to actually use force".
     
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    If there wasn't an organization, they wouldn't show up at the same place, same time, ready to fuck shit up. All it takes for an organization to stay organized today is a text chatgroup. But if that's the subset you're speaking of, then yeah I get that.
     
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    there's a difference between a group chat and a full blown organization
    also... have there even been any proven instances of them showing up synchronized to 'fuck shit up'? because I'd love to hear about them.
     
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    If Biden wont give people the 2k he promises there is no way he will give people 10k
     
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    Now watch Gosar vote against his own amendment. It's happened plenty of times before, and Republicans never hold their own accountable for it. All flash, no substance.

    Even $1,400 checks didn't receive a single Republican vote in the House, and they won't receive a single Republican vote in the Senate, either. That's despite the fact that roughly 75% of voters approve of the COVID relief bill. "Just fucking die already peasants" seems to be the prevailing thought process of Republican leadership these days.
     
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    Inaccurate meme, he pressed both buttons. Also, complaining about any president playing their part in the military industrial complex is like complaining that water is wet. That's just the unfortunate reality of the situation, as long as somebody is making money the bombs will keep dropping. Trump was no better, and he had us on a direct path to war with Iran.
     
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    ironically, despite the Iraq War vote that Republicans love to spam as an excuse to discredit Biden, he seems to be doing pretty well in comparison to the general president-do-bad-naughty-fighty-things standard
    he pulled out of the shit regarding Yemen, a smart move I legit would not have expected from him if I was using the genetic fallacy as much as a lot of others have
     
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    Show me the 2k where did he give the 2k?

    I love the Biden kids happy about bombing other countries war is good again
     
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    It's already passed the House, now it's on to the Senate where, as I already said, it won't receive a single Republican vote in its favor.

    I'm not a Biden supporter, I'm just laying out the grim reality for you. Both the Republican and Democratic parties are capitalist parties, thus both are beholden to the stock market and military industrial complex. There aren't a lot of realistic options for fixing that now that it's been an entrenched part of our society for more than fifty years. Either we amend the Constitution, elect a Socialist president (and Socialist members of Congress), or we revolt. As far as I can tell, you're a staunch neocon who would be in favor of none of these things, and thus you're not actually in favor of fixing the problem.
     
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    Didn't Foxi have to warn you for spamming that left and right?
     
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    Politicians have a nasty tendency of taking a piece of bacon and placing it on top of a pile of cow dung. Once someone points out that, as pleasant as bacon is, it's also on a pile of bullshit and rather unappetising, they cry foul that the evil opposition is once again keeping the bacon away from the public. A common strategy in both sides of the aisle, to be fair.

    In regards to bombs dropping before the checks, I don't think there's a single Republican who actually minds terrorists getting bombed - good. There is a problem in regards to hypocrisy, however.

    I seem to remember Trump's administration ramming a cruise missile up General Soleimani's bottom in retaliation for Iran's numerous strikes on U.S. military personnel, along with his numerous crimes against humanity. The entire political left was up in arms as if it was the end of the world since Soleimani happened to be killed in Iraq, a sovereign country.

    As it so happens, Biden's strikes in Syria are retaliatory as well, in direct retaliation to attacks against U.S. personnel by Iran-backed militants. Attacks in Iraq. Not Syria, Syria being a sovereign country. See the problem here?

    To be fair though, Trump's bombing actually killed a relevant figure - a general directly in charge of orchestrating attacks. Biden's strike was an empty gesture of blowing up an abandoned facility, killing whole one terrorist. Good job. Then again, there are conflicting reports regarding the body count, as there often are. If they did just get the one lonely janitor, that was the most expensive assassination of an irrelevant figure in recent memory.
     
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    yep i'm with Xzi on this republicans want the middle/lower class to die off via starvation/covid even their own base (who are f*cking tools at this point for re election only) one the strongest (or rather richest in this case) will survive
     
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    I hope you realise that this position is a straight up conspiracy theory with no basis in reality.
     
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    wait, are the people here really upset that Biden listened to his generals and war advisers, and then sent a letter to congress explaining what and why he did it, but are not upset that Trump striked and killed Qasem Soleimani against the advice of his war advisers and never explained himself?

    The hypocrisy is fucking insane here. also any complaint about gridlock in congress is full of shit. it has been 4 weeks since Biden started his term, 2 weeks were held up in congress because McConnell tied shit up with a bunch of procedural non-sense that is normally rubber stamped. 1 week was spent on the second impeachment trials, which the GOP made an absolute mockery of. and the most recent week was spent on Biden admin cabinet picks. let me repeat that for you dense fucks, Biden doesn't even have his full cabinet picked yet, it has been 4 weeks, the covid bill just passed the house and is on its way to the senate. fucking grow up.

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    doesn't stop you guys from raving on about baseless shit like "the elections were stolen" or pizzagate, or "covid is a hoax, it's not that bad".
     
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