1. shamzie

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    Cries about capitalism. Lives in country with capitalism = opinion irrelevant.
     
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    Mad about Americans wanting change. claims to lives from across the pond = opinion irrelevant
     
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    Because one person speaks for 328m. What a stupid take but nothing you say surprises me. If he wants change he can move. Think before you type.
     
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    what? your a joke mate'.. the Hypocrisy is strong with you..(claim someones opinion is irrelevant when his opinion is even more Irrelevant)
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    I dont see the logic.. are people in North Korea not suppose to complain about living in a dictatorship? Or people in China not supposed to complain about living in totalitarian communism? Or people in Europe can't complain about heavily socialized policy?
     
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    Nobody in North Korea complains about anything, it is the best Korea thanks to glorious leader.

    What the heck are you doing? Do you want your rations or not? You shut your mouth, you! :ninja:
     
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    that is a really retarded argument. That's also just like saying (insert, job or school) you cannot criticize it because you're in (insert job or school) that's circular reasoning, and it goes nowhere fast.

    also the fact that is your response and have nothing to counter the healthcare issues, the housing issues, and incarceration I ask you to try harder next time and give an actual refusal.

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    China isn't totalitarian communism technically speaking, they have private businesses/private sector, huawei is an example. if it was actual communism the social credit thing wouldn't exist, also wages wouldn't still exist, and wouldn't ceo's exist. Communism generally means that it is a CLASSLESS society and stateless (no government or rather weak state/government). Which clearly china still has classes (poor rich, etc) They are closer to Totalitarian capitalists. There is a owner class (the CEO) and the working class (people below) it's just that with china if the government wants something from a business they can outright force them to do it.
    China's bs seriously can go to hell, you shouldn't disappear over speaking out
     
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    I know, but they've claimed the name communism, even if thats not really what they are. You're right, Its hardly communist, thats why a added totalitarian which i think is fair.
     
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    odd how the Biden kids dont seen to mention their president bombing nations again
     
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    I get that, but...
    A lot of people are calling it communist when it really isn't. It be best to call the kettle it's actual color so it doesn't do more damage. If you saw a neo-nazi you really shouldn't let them rebrand themselves as white chauvinist. (proud-boys tried this) it gives an air of deniability and confuses the conversation. In this example you would still call them a nazi, or racist and so on. Call it on it's actual real name, not what they want the name to be.
     
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  11. shamzie

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    Are people in China or North Korea as free as people in the United States? Or are people who live in the United States free to critique the government and all It's forms and then move to somewhere they prefer. The answer is no, the logic wasn't hard.
     
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    China only introduced certain elements of capitalism into their economy because they were starving and the giant's clay legs were starting to chip. They saw what happened to the U.S.S.R. and took necessary action. Large swathes of "private" Chinese companies have strong governmental backing, many are either partially owned by the state or have state actors on their boards of directors effectively calling the shots. The whole system is built for cheap manufacture under sub-human conditions, all with free shipping subsidised by the state, purely to undercut western industry. China is a totalitarian state, if we're being generous, and its pseudo-capitalist economy is weaponised. That's neither here nor there though.

    EDIT: Just to demonstrate the point, there were 98 Chinese companies on Fortune's 2015 Global 500 list, out of which only 22 were actually private. Honestly, I'm skeptical even in regards to those 22 - I suspect some level of state involvement if they're this big, at the very least surveillance, at worst literal spies in the higher echelons of company structure. They have a dedicated government body called SASAC which exists specifically to appoint CEO's and make decisions on large investments. It's as close as you can get to the state controlling the means of production in a modern economy.

    https://fortune.com/2015/07/22/china-global-500-government-owned/
     
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    again failing to refute the argument that people are dying because they cannot get the healthcare they need. Or the housing problem, or incarceration. I'd really hate to be that annoying Karen who keeps bringing up a point you keep ignoring.
    Moving on, failing to understand that capitalism does not mean freedom is a significant problem here. I am limited by my wage, due to the owner class, my pay is astronomically lower than it should be, my labor is being exploited. That is a inherit property of capitalism, exploitation. If the capitalist/owner class actually paid the workers what they were worth, they wouldn't make profit, they would go even. So there's a heavy conflict of interest, the worker who wants to be paid what they are actually worth, and the owner who wants to pay them as little as possible. Idk what generation, or what you status is, maybe your lucky and not living on razor thin margins. But for gen Z and Millennials, the American dream was stepped on the neck and mutilated. Collage is a debt sentence for life, our pay is far worse than it should be and Economic mobility has fallen through the roof. And part of the problem is if your poor, it's not really an easy option to move. and, going somewhere else doesn't magically fix the problem, and even then reaching the point to move has been pretty damn nullified
     
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    What China is is pretty easily defined as state capitalism.
     
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    No, there is no logic.

    "are people who live in the United States free to critique the government and all It's forms"

    Yes. End of story

    Citizens of the US are in control of the government, not the other way around. We left Europe just so we could do that. Bitching about the system is what America is founded on.
     
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    Well, that's only part of the story. America is primarily founded upon tax avoidance. You hated the king enough to leave Britain, but you haven't proclaimed independence until the tea supply was threatened. :lol:
     
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    Well, 'taxation without representation'. We prefer coffee anyway lol.
     
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    Every revolution needs a lofty slogan, but... I think we all know what it was really about. :P
     
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    wow biden is an actual pile of shit
    who could have guessed
     
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    A mod modded a mod? OP, please nerf.


    Yes, capitalism has problems, but I don't think it is going away anytime soon. May always have some form of capitalism, unless resources become easily attainable and infinite. Still, letting it go off the rails isn't the answer either. Reforms need to happen.
     
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