Hacking its 2021. isn't it about time for DSTwo fanboyism to end already

is Supercard DSTwo good or lame?

  • DSTwo is better than sliced bread. all other carts are junk.

    Votes: 39 54.9%
  • DSTwo's UI is uglier than a dogs rear end. R4i Gold Pro has surpassed it.

    Votes: 2 2.8%
  • DSTwo is just "ok", all carts have pros and cons. i wouldn't say there's a huge difference.

    Votes: 30 42.3%

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superspudz2000

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it's 2021. the Supercard team has disbanded and their carts are no longer being supported. R4's have caught up and offer the same if not better functionality than the DSTwo. and the DS / 3DS have been cracked wide open allowing a wider rage of alternatives to play DS games and homebrew.

in spite of all this, I'm befuddled by the sheer level of perpetual DSTwo fanboyism and rabid, almost fanatical defending of the DSTwo over every other cart, even in an age where R4i Gold Pro currently offers the same thing for 1/4 the price when it was available.

back in the GBA era, it was known that Supercard SD slot-2 was an absolute joke of a GBA flashcart. Compatibility was absurd. Mario Kart Super Circuit was unplayable with slowdown. half the GBA library simply didn't work on Supercard SD.

fast forward to the early DSi era, and the Cyclo DS, M3iZero and EZFlash Vi were respectable offerings when they were supported. when those carts dropped off, the Acekard 2i and Wood Firmware had good support, while the R4 trailed behind and carried the torch with a budget alternative.

supercard had fairly good compatibility and support on the tail end of the DS lifespan, but there was never really a point at which they "proved themselves" or had any reason to claim ultimate superiority, or "wipe the slate clean" as it were from the awful aftertaste of horrible GBA carts and rocky start of DS One.

its just bizarre how even in 2021, you still have rabid defenders of this one particular out of market cart all over various internet forums, still to this day proclaiming DSTwo as the ultimate king of all carts, all regurgitating the same line about "compatibility" and "no other cart runs on latest firmware, only DSTwo runs all games on latest firmware".

please indulge me for a moment and think logically.

the 3DS screen has a different resolution than DS, so games ran on a 3DS are Stretched Out and blurred, and just look horrible. that's why "Hold Select to boot" DS games or DSiware displays a tiny Postage Stamp sized image on a 3DS.

so, long story short, its DSi or nothing. you need a DSi XL, OR a DS Lite, to play old DS games. or in other words, compatibility with 3DS Firmware is kind of irrelevant. all that matters is 1.45u DSi. running on 1.45u is the benchmark. and in a roundabout way, the DSOnei, and DSTwo, and Acekard 2i, and R4i, ALL pass that same benchmark.

literally the only distinction a DSTwo has over DSOnei, is a boot menu with apps, some emulators like CATSFC, which you could load from the file list anyway, and GBA emulation, which is buggy, slow, and doesn't run all games. Now, why anybody wouldn't simply use a EZ-Flash Omega in their Slot 2 DSLite is unclear, but this "feature" is there nonetheless.

the second point is compatibility. i recently dusted off my DS Onei and for kicks, deleted EOS, and loaded the older Moonshell operating system v3.0 SP8 on DSOnei. mostly because EOS only has 2 views "Thumbnail View", and No Icon file list. (both are horrible), and they removed "File List with Icons" option from Newer EOS loader. Anyway i tested 150 games, all the Pokemons, a ton of RPGs, and of that 150 only 2 games wouldn't run, Tetris Party, and Megaman Zero collection.

first, please, do yourself a favor and download the homebrew tetris, "Tetris The Grand Master Challenge". because Tetris Party is really NOT a good game. there's also Tetris DS. i mean, what can i tell you, Use PocketNES to run NES Tetris. use GoombaColor to run Tetris DX GBC. there are so many better options. Look, if you are that obsessive compulsive you NEED Tetris Party so bad, then Hack your 3DS and install the DSiware version of Tetris Party.

Mega man Zero collection on DS. Bro, the Nintendo Switch has an awesome MegamanZero compilation available. get that instead. OR, play the original MM Zero games on GBA. pop a EZFlash Omega into your Slot 2 DS and play them in GBA mode. they also run great on a Supercard SD btw.

Define irony, newer DSOnei "EOS" Firmware and DSTwo removed, yes REMOVED the ability to sent GBA games from Slot-1 DSOne to a Supercard SD in slot 2, (i tested it, MegamanZero.gba will happily transfer to Slot-2 Supercard SD and run), Older Moonshell DSOnei firmware DOES allow this, and the reason for using the Newer firmware is because MM Zero collection fails to load?. .. Error. does not compute....

ultimately, these supposed compatibility issues are not issues at all. because most of the nonworking "problem games" with really nasty Anti Piracy methods aren't even "that" relevant, that a lot of people would never have played anyway. Go ahead and run older moonshell OS v3.0sp8 on a DSOnei. there's more features and options that were removed in EOS. Go ahead and use a DS Top Toy or Original R4, or other cheap cart.

My whole point is that DSOnei fully replaces DSTwo. there is no reason for people to forever Hamfist the more clumsy and awkward, and More Expensive DSTwo or DSTwo4in1 over getting a Cheap DSOne. and furthermore, whatever other 1.45u DSi compatible cart, like a dirt cheap R4i, or Ace3dsPlus, will do the job just as well.
 
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Fucking what? I'm not reading all this, jesus christ, but I don't see any lingering fanboyism in 2021. I don't think DSTwo has been in the discourse for a hot second, honestly, I haven't seen people talk about it specifically in a long time, especially considering it's no longer manufactured.

I think the DSTwo was a relic of a pre-3DS world. Its integrated CPU allowed DS users to run programs more powerful than a DS could handle, and it was great for the DS era, as well as 3DS before softmodding was so prevalent.

It's a product of its time, and it was great for its time, but I don't think its enhanced abilities are anything worth bothering with now.
 

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I mean.. If we're talking flashcards... The DSTwo still has my vote. Can't really change my mind. The "R4s" of today are all clones and apparently still have time bomb?
Any non-timebomb flashcart is better than one with a timebomb... god, timebombs suck.

The r4ids.cn ones are what I use personally, though I'm not sure if they're still made. Pretty sure it uses Wood, it doesn't have a timebomb, and it doesn't have the battery drain the DSTwo had - as a 3DS owner who has no use for the added emulation abilities of the DS2, I think it works the best for my use case - and probably for most 3DS users.
 

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Not sure what brought all this on, DSTwo (2in1) is still one of the best if not the best ds card.
Now the problem is you can't get them anymore, so your only choice is to keep buying trash r4i clones with (insert current year here) on the label with built in time bomb, or now the DSOne clone, which seems to work fine from what I have seen.
 

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Best flashcard hands down, honestly.
100% compatibility, and built-in cpu for some extra stuff normally not possible.

The only issue I can think of really is the contacts sometime being spotty, but it rarely was a game breaking experience.
 

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Well I will speak from experience. You cant run GBA games on a Old 3DS I tried and I failed. But for educational purposes are you saying a R4I game cart would be better than soft modding a DSI?
 

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Well I will speak from experience. You cant run GBA games on a Old 3DS I tried and I failed.
Yes you can? The 3DS literally has a built in GBA cartridge and firmware for loading games to it and running games off it.


@OP The important features of the Supercard DSTwo+ are the internal processor and battery life. The acekard 2i has better battery life, but is hard to find. (I think acekard released a new cart though, I'm not sure how it compares) The r4i Gold 3DS has much worse battery life when the DSTwo+ isn't using the internal CPU. (The DSTwo not + has worse battery life I think).

As for the internal processor, yeah, it's not that useful if you have a hacked 3DS. They really should've released a 3DS API that could start the internal processor to use the 3DS processor + DStwo processor at the same time, that might've made it possible to emulate PS1 at playable framerates.
 

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DSTwo was and still is the best flashcart that the DS got. At a time when GBARunner didn't even exist, it was the best way to have GBA games running on the 3DS.
It still is a great flashcart since it has no timebomb unlike many of the R4 clones
 

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Best flashcard hands down, honestly.
100% compatibility, and built-in cpu for some extra stuff normally not possible.

The only issue I can think of really is the contacts sometime being spotty, but it rarely was a game breaking experience.
That and the increased battery usage, even when idling. Marginal, but still there.
 
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@Mikemk

My 3DS is the old version I was told the newer versions run gbarunner 2 flawlessly.

But I was wondering if the Nintendo DSI be softmodded to play old school emulators like GBC and GBA flawlessly because on my 3DS it was a bad experience. If I need to buy a flash cart I have no problem doing that
 
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