Israel's Transportation Ministry launches 'Palestinians only' buses.

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  1. soulx
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    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4351368,00.html

    No, this isn't from The Onion.
     


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    I think we've seen that before somewhere...

    It's funny that the nation who should know better, being a victim of segregation themselves does that kind of sh*t. It's surely not going to cause any tension, protests or anything. This won't stir up the extremists at all.

    I would say "inb4Jakob95 saying this is good" but that problem has been dealt with already.
     
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    Makes sense. They have a lot of tension between the two groups and sadly; a band-aid solution like this is needed before better, long term solutions can be implemented. You know, if they ever will be.
     
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    That's not a band-aid solution, that's sweeping the problem under the carpet. "Palestinian terrorists blow themselves up in the buses? Make Palestinian-only buses, Problem Solved." is not a viable strategy - you have to look at the root of the problem and try to find some common tongue, establish dialogue and look for actual answers to the problem rather than build walls and segregate people like some kind of Nazi's.

    Remember, each positive gesture makes extremist groups look worse in the eyes of the average Palestinian, each negative one makes them look like freedom fighters and thus a viable option for the easily-decieved.

    Besides, let's not forget that Israeli citizens are crazy-racist againts Palestinians in general - this is by no means a gesture towards the betterment of the Palestinian-Israeli relations - this is pushing the Palestinians away as far as possible.
     
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    Which is why I despise Israel, fucking hypocrites. They're the ones that came in snatched people from their homes by force yet have the gall to play the victim's role always bringing up the holocaust.

    Makes me sick.

    That said, I wonder how many people are aware of the tyranny that goes on in Israel. I can only say the people who would defend them are Christians and naive teenagers taking courses in history.
     
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    A band aid solution means: A temporary solution that does not deal with the cause of a problem. How fast do you think an entire country can adapt to loving one another enough to erase generations worth of hate and self depreciating entitlement from both sides? This was made to quickly try and prevent further escalations and ease the worries of the people they govern. Is it right? not if equality is your end game but to be honest these people are far from such a future and as such these less than ideal sacrifices must be made to try and protect those who use public transportation.

    Also equating this to Nazi germany is insulting to German's and wrong. A better comparison would be with America's treatment of African-Americans during the martin luther king jr days. The only exception is that both sides are fighting aggressively so I sincerely doubt anything is going to change for them anytime soon.
     
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    >Buses with Palestinians and Jews are being detonated in key locations.
    *Solution - Implement Palestinian-only buses*
    >Buses with Palestinians are being detonated in key locations.

    Problem solved?

    Pretty sure that Americans did not build a wall to separate Afro-Americans (which is a dumb term to begin with, they were just Americans who were black - they lived in America for generations at that point and had nothing to do with Africa - they're Americans who are black, which is way more accurate) from white Americans, did not drive tanks across black neighbourhoods, did not bulldoze black neighbourhoods for no apparent reasons and did not organize military operations aimed specifically against them.
     
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    Hence the temporary success of the solution. also last time I checked The Jews didn't fight back against Nazi Germany, they hid, ran, and tried to escape but did they grab some weapons and tried to kill the people who hated them to the point you could call it civil war?
     
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    Soulx, before the inevitable bloodbath.

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    There is no success, buses will continue to explode regardless of their content because it's not the passengers that are the target - it's either key structures or the crowds at which you can randomly drive into.
    *cough cough*


    Now, some of those were well-justified, some aren't.
     
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    That link has nothing to do with Germany and thus does not answer my question. and again "Temporary" could mean as little as a minute or less. Just because it won't work does not mean it is not a solution either.

    I also find it strange how despite my agreeing with your first post you felt the need to attack me due to what I can only believe are semantics.
     
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    When I used the "Nazi" term, I was refering to Israel's policy againts Palestinians in general, not just the buses which do indeed bring back the images of racial segregation in the U.S. The Jews did have organized units at the time of WWII which were indeed fighting, I simply want to avoid bringing up WWII here because it has little relevance - I meant the racist + agressive attitude, not factual "IV Reich" attitude.

    Not really attacking you, you're taking me way too seriously. ;) I'm merely discussing the issue with you.
     
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    in that case I'll keep this argument as civil as possible . sorry for the confusion.

    To touch on the Jewish resistance in WW2, many of these occurrences from within germany were unarmed with the occasional exception happening in the warsaw ghetto for example. However it should be noted most resistance movements happened outside of germany from groups throughout Europe.

    The reason I equated things more so to America's treatment of the politically corrected "African American's" was more to do with the article itself and not at the situation as a whole though I'd still not use Germany in this instance and feel Constantinople would be the better fit in that case. Nazi Germany is more of a ruwanda or darfur thing when it comes to modern comparisons.
     
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    Both sides are fighting aggressively....since when? Last I checked the Israelis were the one with the guns, not the other way around.

    And no, I wouldn't say this is solely the same as the MLK days, more of a mix of both Nazi Germany and the segregation through the US. Because the Palestanians still have somewhat a bit of freedom, they're just not allowed to go to certain areas. In addition to that if Palestanians want to go to college in Israel they must already know Hebrew. So yeah, I'd definitely say its a mix of both.

    Israel is definitely one of the most hypocritical countries in the world. And every word that comes out of its leader's mouth is just as venomous as Hitler's.

    "Nazi Germany is more of a ruwanda or darfur thing when it comes to modern comparisons."​

    Just stop. This is so wrong and misguided.
     
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    So all those rockets coming from gaza was all a clever ploy to get more support from Israelis? They may not have an army but the Palestinians are fighting back with weapons. both sides have indeed been aggressive in the past.
    Also Why am I being misguided in what I say when My point was in the fact genocide happened in darfur and ruwanda? I'm sorry if I didn't make that point clear though.
     
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    Where are these Palestanians getting these so called rockets? I think we should stay away from the biased news media and start doing research on our own. Because from what I've seen, it's Israel firing missiles. I mean really, the Israelis have superior weapons and a military, you really truly believe that Palestanians are fighting against that? That's laughable.

    They're fighting alright to be sure, but it's a one sided death struggle as Israel continues to spread it's influence over stolen land.

    And you bet not say Palestinians are getting their weapons from terrorists because I'm going to laugh.
     
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    Well I guess I can't say Hamas then since it's been branded a terrorist organization by some countries though they themselves claim to be a resistance group (and really these two terms are interchangeable depending on who you ask and the perspective given) however if you want to debate how they get these weapons then the answers vary depending on who you ask so I won't even bother to comment on this loaded question any further since anything said would be open for debate in it's own even by those knowledgeable in this subject.
     
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    i agree, you should do your own research before starting an argue... here are some starting points:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel - they sure dont fight back right?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_domestic_weapons_production - some starting points where the so called rockets are coming from
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qassam_rocket - one of the most common so called rockets they use

    on-topic

    soulx i am impressed, you used an israeli website... on the other hand you have not quoted important parts of the article yourself:
    from what you can read right now its just completly chaos... some said those are buses designated for Palestinians, thus discriminating them. some said those are just new buses to benefit both sides...
     
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    although it will reduce some conflict its definitely not a solution to the root problem
     
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    You chose Wikipedia as a source for this sort of debate? Which is essentially biased toward Israel as it is owned by people who are very supportive of Israel, i.e Jews.

    I'm out of here, that's laughable. Try again.
     
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