iSmart MM linux beta 1.2

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Jul 14, 2011

iSmart MM linux beta 1.2 by FAST6191 at 4:19 PM (10,430 Views / 0 Likes) 30 replies

  1. FAST6191
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    A new beta of the dingux port for the iSmart MM has appeared and should be slightly better adapted to the iSMM hardware and somewhat faster compared to earlier versions (early word is some of the emulators do very well). For those that missed it the iSmart MM is an enhanced flash cart like the iplayer and Supercard DSTwo and being one of those it has increased processing abilities over regular DS flash cards which got used to allow dingux to run and with it all the various emulators it has.

    A list of the various emulators
    Amiga, DCA (atari ST), FBA (CPS-1 and CPS-2), FC (NES), GBA, GBC, MAME (lots of arcade machines), MD (genesis in North America), NGP (neo geo pocket and some NGP colour), OPENBOR (open beats of rage- a streets of rage engine/"remake"), PC98 (NEC PC-9801), PCE (TG16 in places), PS (playstation), SCUMMVM (SCUMM games and several more interpreters), SFC (SNES), SMS (Master system and gamegear) and WSC (wonderswan colour).
    Do note BIOSes have been removed and some emulators (amiga, GBA, genesis, PC98, PS1 and ti92) may require you to get them to allow full functionality.

    On top of that you have several more features with with dosbox, TI-92 and PDF readers available.
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    Changelog for beta. 1.2



    [​IMG] iSmartDS.com download
    [​IMG] Filetrip download (full pack)

    [​IMG] Discuss

    Thanks to Mbmax for the news and sorting the uploads.
     


  2. dickfour

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    Anyone use this? Do any of the emulators work well?
     
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    Great news. MAME for DS.
    If I could play Vendetta on my DS I would defo buy it.
     
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    Did I miss something? PS1 and SNES emulators for this?
     
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    Thanks for the news on GBAtemp FAST6191. [​IMG]

    There is a thread where we can report bugs found : http://gbatemp.net/t291741-ismartlinux-bug-report-thread

    For now it seems that i have not much luck with microSDHC (freezes and FAT corruption). So for those who wish to beta test this plugin, you should use a 2GB or lower.

    Here are some screenshots tysong made last day :

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    And some pictures from Buleste showing the C64 emulator :

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    Mbmax sent a video of the PS1 emulator in action
    [tv]32303-327[/tv]
     
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    [​IMG] The iSmart MM can emulate the PS1, but not the DSTWO?
    You're slacking Supercard Team! [​IMG]
     
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    Does the iSmart have the power to run a competent PSX emulator or is this just a proof of concept.
     
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    How fast is PS1 emulation? On the video it seems to be very slow.
     
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    It's almost as fast as on my Dingoo A320 (watch the video). The iSmartLinux plugin is a dingux emulator. It runs dingux on DS almost like on a Dingoo A320.

    @FAST6191 : thanks for the video on GBATemp ! [​IMG]
     
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    Ok, how good does the SNES emulator run? Is there somewhere a compatibility list? Is SNES emulation on iSmart MM better than the SNES emulator on DSTwo?
     
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    No.
     
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    What games did you test?
     
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    Does it matter?

    It's common sense.

    Card with slower CPU running a O/S and then an emulator designed to run on larger screens versus Car with faster CPU with emulator running natively scaling screens correctly. The faster card is always going to win.
     
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    This plugin is still a work in progress and what i expect to happen is get our hands on the modified dingux and the driver sources.

    As everyone knows there is sadly no SDK on iSMM, but there is an sdk for dingoo A320 and so dingux.

    See what i mean ?

    We could then edit the rootfs the zImage and why not create a dedicated version of dingux for the DS resolution !

    @buleste : the scaling is done by the DS, there is not much speed lose there.
    Now, i just hope tysong will continue to improve it and at the end release some sources.
     
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    You obviously lack of common sense then [​IMG] Faster doesn't always mean better. Both the DSTWO and iSmart MM have way enough power to perfectly emulate SNES games. The important part is the programming of the emulator itself. Poor programming results in a worse emulator. Good programming results in a good emulator. Now if you claim that the SNES emulator of DSTwo is better, you imply that you exactly know how well the emulators have been programmed. But you obviously don't know a slightest bit about the programming of those emulators and therefore your answer becomes bullshit.

    My initial question stands. How good is the iSmart MM SNES emulator compared to the current best SNES emulator for DSTwo (CATSFC)?
     
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    Perfect SNES emulation doesn't happen. Even the PSP emulator can still have slowdowns in games (both with audio and visuals). It isn't too terribly common, but I definitely noticed it in Donkey Kong Country.

    This all seems a little sketch though, as nobody will say how good the emulators actually are. Kind of like how there is an N64 emulator for the PSP, and although they are trying to make it functional, it is very much a proof of concept as it stands now. Most of this seems like it is just proof of concept and nothing more, but nobody has outright said it who has the cart. I'm sure the PSX emulator is total balls, as is anything even remotely close to the PSX in terms of power needed to run. That doesn't help to judge the likes of the GBA emulator and the SNES emulator though, which are possibly fine emulators.
     
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    I do not take kindly to insults but I will keep this civil.

    I have lots of common sense especially given the fact that the SNES emulator on the SCDS2 is based on the same SNES emulator in Dingux (SNES9x) only coded specifically for the SCDS2 hardware.

    And you are right that faster does not always mean better but in most cases it does. As it does in this case.

    However to answer your question. I have tested the following:-

    Super R-Type
    R-Type III
    Gradius III
    Star Fox
    Super Turrican
    Super Star Wars
    Super Empire Strikes Back
    Super Return of the Jedi
    Flashback
    Syndicate
    Legend Of Zelda - Link to the Past

    using SNES9x and SNES9x4d and in all cases the SCDS2 SNES emulation is far better.
     
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    In case the SNES emulator for DSTWO emulates a SNES game better than on the iSmart MM, it does not have anything to do with the CPU speed differences, trust me when I say that even a DSlite alone has enough power to properly emulate most SNES games. As I said it all depends on how well an emulator has been programmed for a platform. You have tested 11 SNES games, which you claim run better on the DSTwo, which might well be true, but there are a lot of other games to try. If only there is a kind of compatibility list, then we can clearly say, what emulator has been better programmed.
     
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    I may have only tested 11 games but if it cannot emulate the more basic games like Super Star Wars at a good then it is highly unlikely to be able to emulate the more complex games even faster. BTW there is no might be true, it is true.

    The ismart is not just running a SNES emulator though. It is running Linux and then a SNES emulator so it will always be slower no matter how good the programmer is. And the fact that the SCDS2 SNES emulator does not have to run linux as well means that it will always be faster.

    The fact you say the DSLite has enough power to properly emulate SNES games shows that you know nothing about emulation. You are obviously just basing your assumption on processor speeds and neglecting to think about the difficulty of emulating the custom architecture of it's chips which is why it's so difficult to get some emulators running at speed (Eg. C64, Atari 2600) and that's without taking specialised chips of some carts into account.

    However if you are unwilling to accept my answer then I would suggest that you either go out and buy a iSMM and SCDS2 so you can compare the two and give a full compatibility list or you programme the perfect SNES emulator for the DS as you are obviously a far superior coder that ShadauxCat and BassAceGold et al.
     

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